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Post by Value Buy on Aug 31, 2015 11:41:44 GMT -5
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Post by Angel! on Aug 31, 2015 11:46:58 GMT -5
Is that really a bad thing? Who wouldn't like to bring home the same income for fewer hours?
Maybe not as good more income for the same number of hours. But, at least it beats same income & same hours. Now at least you have more extra time to find additional sources of income. Unless employees are actually making less than before, then I don't see the downside.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Aug 31, 2015 11:52:45 GMT -5
hopefully this will take down Walmart.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 31, 2015 11:54:43 GMT -5
Is that really a bad thing? Who wouldn't like to bring home the same income for fewer hours?
Maybe not as good more income for the same number of hours. But, at least it beats same income & same hours. Now at least you have more extra time to find additional sources of income. Unless employees are actually making less than before, then I don't see the downside. agreed. i am hoping to be down to 30 hours on my primary employment by year's end.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 31, 2015 11:55:52 GMT -5
Except now shoppers are going to be inconvenienced... so will this lead to sales dropping? THAT is what they should worry about, imo. if they need the staff, they need it. if they don't, they don't. if you need staff to sell product, you hire them. if your cost structure doesn't justify the hiring, then raise prices, or figure out ANOTHER way to lower costs.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 31, 2015 11:57:58 GMT -5
So unless you can find another job that accommodates the random second hour of a lunch break... I'm not real sure how you are going to be able to fill that time up with another job. good point. then again, it seems like they are being asked to work more hours at the same time their hours are being cut. fair?
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Post by Angel! on Aug 31, 2015 12:00:56 GMT -5
Except now shoppers are going to be inconvenienced... so will this lead to sales dropping? Probably not much. People shop at walmart because it beats almost everywhere else on prices. When your broke, then you settle for long lines, crowds, & other crap because you just can't afford to shop elsewhere. I almost never set foot in walmart now that I'm not broke as hell. If I waited more than 5 minutes for someone to open a display case, I'd have been on my phone shopping for the item on Amazon. If it does start to slow sales, then I expect walmart will have to start making major changes to figure out to compete, which is basically the entire idea behind a free market system.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Aug 31, 2015 12:04:19 GMT -5
And you know, it's Walmart, one of the world's leading retailers. I don't much care of the stockholders make a tad bit less in dividends and profit sharing. But then again, I refuse to shop at Walmart, period.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Aug 31, 2015 12:14:04 GMT -5
Well, my point is that Walmart is run by a bunch of cheap bastards who don't give a damn about their employees or their customer base, they just want to siphon off as much in profits as they can.
And yeah, I do realize that all for-profit business want to have a healthy profit, I just think Walmart takes it too far. So I do the only thing I can - I don't shop there.
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Post by Angel! on Aug 31, 2015 12:16:12 GMT -5
But at the end of the day after all of this.. the worker will still not make more money. The less hours worked will result in the same wage more or less, they most likely will not be able backfill those working hours with another job because of schedule. So really what is the point? They get to work 2 less hours per week (or whatever) at a crappy job. They get to spend 2 more hours per week with their family, kids, or friends. If they need more income, they have 2 extra hours per week to work online or on a side job. I don't see the downside of 2 extra hours with no loss in income.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 31, 2015 12:16:34 GMT -5
THAT is what they should worry about, imo. if they need the staff, they need it. if they don't, they don't. if you need staff to sell product, you hire them. if your cost structure doesn't justify the hiring, then raise prices, or figure out ANOTHER way to lower costs. But if you raise prices then you will lose business. Or they will put the squeeze on their supplier to lower prices which will hurt the suppliers which in turn could affect suppliers abilities to pay higher wages... not necessarily. do you want me to illustrate why? let's use gas prices as an example (even though the very nature of gasoline is that, since people MUST DRIVE to get it, it is inherently a more competitive market, with far more choices than big box retail). if gas prices go up $1, i don't have the choice of going to a retailer that sells it for the old price. that is because it is the cost of the BASIC COMMODITY that is driving the economic decisions. and sure- i can use LESS GAS (there are studies done on this. people don't change their buying behavior on gas until it rises over 50%!!!!!), but i will still have to pay $1 more for it. the same holds true with FMW. since minimum wage employees are a COMMODITY, every retailer that pays MW will be forced to raise prices. therefore, it creates NO economic disadvantage to be WalMart in that situation. bottom feeders all have the same problem, and the same solution.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 31, 2015 12:19:06 GMT -5
But at the end of the day after all of this.. the worker will still not make more money. The less hours worked will result in the same wage more or less, they most likely will not be able backfill those working hours with another job because of schedule. So really what is the point? it is the devil's bargain to exchange qualitative merchandise like time for quantitative merchandise like money. how much would you pay to have one more day with a deceased relative? what was it worth to hold your baby for the first time? when it comes right down to it, we sell our time far too cheaply. all of us do.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 31, 2015 12:54:26 GMT -5
Sure they did. They don't care as long as the union makes money. I bet the workers never saw it coming, though.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 31, 2015 13:29:29 GMT -5
hopefully this will take down Walmart. Yeah. That way everyone can be on welfare.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 31, 2015 13:51:13 GMT -5
hopefully this will take down Walmart. Yeah. That way everyone can be on welfare. won't be much different, given that they are already on welfare.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 31, 2015 14:51:06 GMT -5
Yeah. That way everyone can be on welfare. won't be much different, given that they are already on welfare. Exactly, the two companies in the state I work in that have the biggest number of their employees using State welfare/healthcare assistance are Wallmart and Olsten temp service. Walmart is actually a genius - a giant company with healthy profits based on figuring out how to get the states and federal government to help subsidize their employees benefits.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 31, 2015 15:25:46 GMT -5
won't be much different, given that they are already on welfare. Exactly, the two companies in the state I work in that have the biggest number of their employees using State welfare/healthcare assistance are Wallmart and Olsten temp service. Walmart is actually a genius - a giant company with healthy profits based on figuring out how to get the states and federal government to help subsidize their employees benefits. End welfare, reduce taxes, watch wages rise as the economy grows. It's not theory. It works every time its tried.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 31, 2015 15:36:14 GMT -5
Exactly, the two companies in the state I work in that have the biggest number of their employees using State welfare/healthcare assistance are Wallmart and Olsten temp service. Walmart is actually a genius - a giant company with healthy profits based on figuring out how to get the states and federal government to help subsidize their employees benefits. End welfare, reduce taxes, watch wages rise as the economy grows. It's not theory. It works every time its tried. we have been reducing taxes since the late 60's, and wages for the bottom third have fallen the entire time.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 31, 2015 15:41:32 GMT -5
won't be much different, given that they are already on welfare. Exactly, the two companies in the state I work in that have the biggest number of their employees using State welfare/healthcare assistance are Wallmart and Olsten temp service. Walmart is actually a genius - a giant company with healthy profits based on figuring out how to get the states and federal government to help subsidize their employees benefits. yep. Uncle Sugar is basically subsidizing their fortunes. great work if you can get it.
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Post by fishy999 on Aug 31, 2015 20:52:47 GMT -5
THAT is what they should worry about, imo. if they need the staff, they need it. if they don't, they don't. if you need staff to sell product, you hire them. if your cost structure doesn't justify the hiring, then raise prices, or figure out ANOTHER way to lower costs. But if you raise prices then you will lose business. Or they will put the squeeze on their supplier to lower prices which will hurt the suppliers which in turn could affect suppliers abilities to pay higher wages... Will put the squeeze on suppliers? Haven't they been doing that for decades? Corporations cut and squeeze as much as possible at all times- that's a given- if they can 'squeeze suppliers' they will do it without an invitation from legislation. They will operate on the bare minimum staff period- they always have. They will cut hours, reorganize schedules, whatever they can to take advantage of whatever laws there are- that is nothing new. I keep hearing that with a wage hike fast food companies will be replacing workers with kiosks and automated cooks- but I don't get the argument that we should let people earn less than it takes to live in order to prevent the robot takeover- so is the new logic that once automation becomes cheaper than flesh and blood we should just eliminate the minimum wage and drop wages until people become cheaper?
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Aug 31, 2015 21:18:18 GMT -5
I rarely go into Walmart anymore but I stopped there the other night because I needed some wrapping paper. The place was a zoo. There were like 4 check out aisles with checkers staffing them. The lines were backed up clear down the aisles of product. I asked a nice man who appeared to be sweeping if he would go to the service desk and ask that they open more aisles. He said, "I'm in maintenance. I can't." I said (very politely) that I wasn't asking him to check - just to ask customer service to staff more registers. He proceeded to do so.
He came back and told me that all cashiers that were on shift were checking and if they were to open more aisles, "management" would have to staff them and that probably wasn't going to happen. I do not know if "management" decided to try to alleviate the back up or not because I walked back, put my wrapping paper on the shelf and left. This is going to hurt them. They are either going to have to suck it up and only make 10 trillion dollars this year instead of 11 trillion or they are going to be hurt - at least around here. I'll pay a bit more for something if I don't have to use an hour of my time to get the same item a bit cheaper at Wal-Mart. I'm betting others will follow suit or already have.
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 31, 2015 21:22:58 GMT -5
Is that really a bad thing? Who wouldn't like to bring home the same income for fewer hours?
Maybe not as good more income for the same number of hours. But, at least it beats same income & same hours. Now at least you have more extra time to find additional sources of income. Unless employees are actually making less than before, then I don't see the downside. The whole idea behind wage increases was to raise them out of poverty at their current employer. At least that was the line of the SEIU And now you say it's ok because they have more home time or can find a second job?
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 31, 2015 21:28:59 GMT -5
I am not a regular shopper of WMT, but we were in there this weekend. Our supercenter seemed well stocked, and plenty of associates on duty. I could not tell you if this was normal conditions or not. I do think they have not cut security because the local paper always have articles on the idiots going out with full carts being caught. I did notice the one set of doors on dry goods side had a sign on it stating, "this door closed at 10pm. Please use other door at far right to exit after ten pm" Kind of surprised at that. This is a 24 hour store.
I have to assume they will still open if pushed due to fire regulations, but obviously they are trying to prevent some theft.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 1, 2015 7:09:49 GMT -5
I rarely go into Walmart anymore but I stopped there the other night because I needed some wrapping paper. The place was a zoo. There were like 4 check out aisles with checkers staffing them. The lines were backed up clear down the aisles of product. I asked a nice man who appeared to be sweeping if he would go to the service desk and ask that they open more aisles. He said, "I'm in maintenance. I can't." I said (very politely) that I wasn't asking him to check - just to ask customer service to staff more registers. He proceeded to do so.
He came back and told me that all cashiers that were on shift were checking and if they were to open more aisles, "management" would have to staff them and that probably wasn't going to happen. I do not know if "management" decided to try to alleviate the back up or not because I walked back, put my wrapping paper on the shelf and left. This is going to hurt them. They are either going to have to suck it up and only make 10 trillion dollars this year instead of 11 trillion or they are going to be hurt - at least around here. I'll pay a bit more for something if I don't have to use an hour of my time to get the same item a bit cheaper at Wal-Mart. I'm betting others will follow suit or already have. Wow, a zoo and jammed check out lines and it isn't even the Christmas mad house time yet. Does not bode well for Walmart.
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Post by Shooby on Sept 1, 2015 7:12:08 GMT -5
I find the need to "take down Walmart' very bizarre. If you don't like it, don't shop there. DUH! Walmart will survive because people need to shop and buy stuff and they have good prices.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 1, 2015 7:17:02 GMT -5
Is that really a bad thing? Who wouldn't like to bring home the same income for fewer hours?
Maybe not as good more income for the same number of hours. But, at least it beats same income & same hours. Now at least you have more extra time to find additional sources of income. Unless employees are actually making less than before, then I don't see the downside. The whole idea behind wage increases was to raise them out of poverty at their current employer. At least that was the line of the SEIU And now you say it's ok because they have more home time or can find a second job? It's math. Do you want to earn X amount of dollars in 30 hours a week, or 35 hours a week? Who wouldn't rather work 30 hours and get the same pay? The idea behind raising the minimum wage is for workers to earn x plus y for 35 hours a week, but if Walmart wants to avoid paying employees more money and has opted to have them work less hours (and understaff their stores), well, at least the employee has that extra time to work a second job, or to be a home with their kids (and not paying a sitter). The market will decide if people are willing to shop in a store with poorly displayed merchandise, no available staff on the floor, and long lines at check out in order to get their peanut butter for five cents less than at the Krogers.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 1, 2015 7:21:15 GMT -5
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 1, 2015 7:27:35 GMT -5
I find the need to "take down Walmart' very bizarre. If you don't like it, don't shop there. DUH! Walmart will survive because people need to shop and buy stuff and they have good prices. My only grievance with Walmart is how their business model relies on government subsidies to help support their workers. IMHO they are creating an unlevel playing field with other retail companies that attempt to pay their employees a living wage. There are, in fact, many companies like Costco that manage to pay their employees well and STILL make a profit. Actually I have a second grievance with Walmart, they sometimes establish a store in a rural area, run it for a few years (just long enough to put the local mom and pop hardware stores and groceries out of business) and then shut down that store, knowing that everyone in that area will now have to schlep 30 minutes to the next closest walmart. Sure, not an illegal practice, but IMHO it's acting like a corporate strong armed goon.
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Post by Value Buy on Sept 1, 2015 7:49:22 GMT -5
The whole idea behind wage increases was to raise them out of poverty at their current employer. At least that was the line of the SEIU And now you say it's ok because they have more home time or can find a second job? It's math. Do you want to earn X amount of dollars in 30 hours a week, or 35 hours a week? Who wouldn't rather work 30 hours and get the same pay? The market will decide if people are willing to shop in a store with poorly displayed merchandise, no available staff on the floor, and long lines at check out in order to get their peanut butter for five cents less than at the Krogers. The last sentence of yours was figured out by WMT decades ago.
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Post by garion2003 on Sept 1, 2015 7:50:00 GMT -5
I find the need to "take down Walmart' very bizarre. If you don't like it, don't shop there. DUH! Walmart will survive because people need to shop and buy stuff and they have good prices. I think the same thing every time I go into Woolworths
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