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Post by sesfw on Aug 23, 2015 18:01:30 GMT -5
That same privilege was denied Hilary Clinton when she didn't divorce Bill Clinton. How does that happen?
If Hillary had divorced Billy-boy she would have moved out of the White House and out of the power grid. She had/has more power as the wife of an ex-prez than the ex-wife of an ex-prez.
Politics as usual.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 18:30:26 GMT -5
She has to work through this in her own way. She may feel that her marriage is worth salvaging. Who are you to tell her that she shouldn't? This interests me. That same privilege was denied Hilary Clinton when she didn't divorce Bill Clinton. How does that happen? What interests me even more is... it's WOMEN (overwhelmingly... I guess there were SOME men, but it was MOSTLY women) saying they know better than those woman do, what they should do. Women's Rights! Women's Choices! Women's Equality! ... ... ... UNLESS they don't choose the way the other women (who are all clamoring for them to HAVE those rights) want them to. I don't get it.
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Post by Shooby on Aug 23, 2015 18:44:01 GMT -5
What privilege?
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 24, 2015 1:28:19 GMT -5
The privilege of making her own decision with regard to her marriage without having umpteen people who don't know a damned thing chime in with what she should do/should have done, Shooby. Mrs. Clinton was pounded to sand for her decision to stick by her husband. Seemed to me like a whole lot of people had a whole lot to say about her for having done so. Seems to me like you were one of them, and your words weren't kind. Now, you're defending the stance as the woman's decision. I just wonder how that can happen.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 24, 2015 1:29:24 GMT -5
That same privilege was denied Hilary Clinton when she didn't divorce Bill Clinton. How does that happen?
I f Hillary had divorced Billy-boy she would have moved out of the White House and out of the power grid. She had/has more power as the wife of an ex-prez than the ex-wife of an ex-prez. Politics as usual. You don't know this. You're making an assumption. Perhaps that's what would have motivated you to stay, but it may not have been what motivated her to stay. You don't have a clue.
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Post by marvholly on Aug 24, 2015 4:54:14 GMT -5
The Bill & Hilary thing hit me this morning too. there have been other political wives who 'stuckby' cheating spouses over the past 30ish years.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Aug 24, 2015 7:10:00 GMT -5
Hillary has the means to leave if she wants. She doesn't have four small children under the age of five and no education. She also wouldn't be shunned from the people she's known all her life. I just don't think she has the option to leave the way Hillary and others did.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 24, 2015 8:32:56 GMT -5
Hillary has the means to leave if she wants. She doesn't have four small children under the age of five and no education. She also wouldn't be shunned from the people she's known all her life. I just don't think she has the option to leave the way Hillary and others did. Anna Duggar would have the rest of the Duggar family, her own family, along with their church to support her. Failure to do so would be hypocritical of the Duggars and their church.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Aug 24, 2015 8:42:09 GMT -5
Hillary has the means to leave if she wants. She doesn't have four small children under the age of five and no education. She also wouldn't be shunned from the people she's known all her life. I just don't think she has the option to leave the way Hillary and others did. Anna Duggar would have the rest of the Duggar family, her own family, along with their church to support her. Failure to do so would be hypocritical of the Duggars and their church. You'd hope so. But Anna's family is also part of the Quiverfull movement. Now they would have to decide to stick by her, or stick by the church. Seems like an easy answer to us. But if her family did shun her, they would hardly be the first. Happens in Old Order Amish and Orthodox Jewish families, even to this day. And as for church members supporting her: same thing. They could be risking their own membership. Though I think some would do it covertly, in quiet ways (like give her cash or gift cards, which could not be traced). One interesting thing: if she does leave, this would be quite the opportunity for her to tell-and-sell her story. I'm not being rude here. Just saying her four kids have to eat and have clothes and other necessities. A well-crafted interview and perhaps a long newspaper/magazine piece, or even a book, would go a long way to funding her.
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Post by swamp on Aug 24, 2015 9:50:05 GMT -5
Hillary has the means to leave if she wants. She doesn't have four small children under the age of five and no education. She also wouldn't be shunned from the people she's known all her life. I just don't think she has the option to leave the way Hillary and others did. Anna Duggar would have the rest of the Duggar family, her own family, along with their church to support her. Failure to do so would be hypocritical of the Duggars and their church. Yes, they would never do anything hypocritical. Oh wait........
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 24, 2015 11:19:17 GMT -5
Hillary has the means to leave if she wants. She doesn't have four small children under the age of five and no education. She also wouldn't be shunned from the people she's known all her life. I just don't think she has the option to leave the way Hillary and others did. Anna Duggar would have the rest of the Duggar family, her own family, along with their church to support her. Failure to do so would be hypocritical of the Duggars and their church. It would be interesting to see what they would do, if she did leave him. I suspect she would be obligated to return to her own family and they would support her and the kids, although I would have to think she would be a second class citizen in the family, as a 'failed' wife. I have heard (and I don't know if this is true, since I never watched this show) that the oldest Dugger daughter didn't want to get married, she wanted to go to college, and she wasn't allowed to do that, so she remained at home, a permanent nanny to the younger kids, a live in cook and laundress, either waiting until she changes her mind and agrees to marry someone and birth her own giant family or until her parents kick the bucket, I guess. Or until she gets up the courage to run away and try to make it on her own. Not many choices for the women in the quiverful society.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Aug 24, 2015 11:32:12 GMT -5
Pretty sure she would be shunned and an outcast. They'd be going against the church if they supported her. It takes a lot of courage to do that. There aren't a lot of options for someone with no education and four mouths to feed.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 24, 2015 12:00:17 GMT -5
Pretty sure she would be shunned and an outcast. They'd be going against the church if they supported her. It takes a lot of courage to do that. There aren't a lot of options for someone with no education and four mouths to feed. Most definitely would not speak well of their community and church to shun her.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 24, 2015 12:06:11 GMT -5
Most definitely would not speak well of their community and church to shun her
I have a feeling they don't care very much what outsiders think. If they did they wouldn't have sent Josh to do some "hard labor" after he molested his sisters. They also wouldn't have been on TV supporting him when it was leaked.
If they can go thru the mental gynmastics needed to get to their views on that subject. ..then being able to justify excommunicating Anna is a piece of cake.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 24, 2015 12:35:17 GMT -5
I'd like to get ahold if her and get Norplant into her. It'd keep her childless until the baby got to elementary at least. Then maybe she'd get a break and get away. Trouble is, she'd probably lose her kids as well as the rest of her family. As far as the older Duggar daughter, I'd take her in and help her get on with her life but it takes a lot to walk away from everyone. That's the chouce anyone trying to escape is faced with. But if she did it, others could see it could be done.
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Post by kittensaver on Aug 24, 2015 13:22:27 GMT -5
A friend posted this on Facebook. I know this is long and much of it has been said already, but I thought she did a great job of consolidating everyone's thoughts. I also think it's a great roadmap for raising a daughter who won't take cr*p from a man or from anyone else in this day and age:
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"I know everybody is laughing about this Josh Duggar story. Oh, a DUGGAR on Ashley Madison, it's so rich! I wish more people would talk about Anna. I normally keep things light on Facebook, but let's talk about Anna.
Let me tell you: Anna Duggar is in the worst position she could possibly be in right now. Anna Duggar was crippled by her parents by receiving no education, having no work experience (or life experience, for that matter) and then was shackled to this loser because his family was famous in their religious circle. Anna Duggar was taught that her sole purpose in life, the most meaningful thing she could do, was to be chaste and proper, a devout wife, and a mother. Anna Duggar did that! Anna Duggar followed the rules that were imposed on her from the get-go and this is what she got in reward- a husband who she found out, in the span of 6 months, not only molested his own sisters, but was unfaithful to her in the most humiliating way possible. While she was fulfilling her "duty" of providing him with four children and raising them. She lived up to the standard that men set for her of being chaste and Godly and in return, the man who demanded this of her sought women who were the opposite. "Be this," they told her. She was. It wasn't enough.
What is Anna Duggar supposed to do? She can't divorce because the religious environment she was brought up would blame her and ostracize her for it. Even if she would risk that, she has no education and no work experience to fall back on, so how does she support her kids? From where could she summon the ability to turn her back on everything she ever held to be sacred and safe? Her beliefs, the very thing she would turn to for comfort in this kind of crisis, are the VERY REASON she is in this predicament in the first place. How can she reconcile this? Her parents have utterly, utterly failed her. Think of this: somewhere, Anna Duggar is sitting in prayer, praying not for the strength to get out and stand on her own, but for the strength to stand by this man she is unfortunately married to. To lower herself so that he may rise up on her back. As a mother of daughters, this makes me ill. Parents, WE MUST DO BETTER BY OUR DAUGHTERS. Boys, men, are born with power. Girls have to command it for themselves. They aren't given it. They assume it and take it. But you have to teach them to do it, that they can do it. We HAVE to teach our daughters that they are not beholden to men like this. That they don't have to marry a man their father deems "acceptable" and then stay married to that man long, long after he proved himself UNACCEPTABLE. Educate them. Empower them. Give them the tools they need to survive, on their own if they must. Josh Duggar should be cowering in fear of Anna Duggar right now. Cowering. He isn't, but he should be. He should be quaking in fear that the house might fall down around them if he's in the same room as she. Please, instill your daughters with the resolve to make a man cower if he must. To say "I don't deserve this, and my children don't deserve this." I wish someone had ever, just once, told Anna she was capable of this. That she knew she is. As for my girls, I'll raise them to think they breathe fire."
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 24, 2015 13:27:43 GMT -5
A friend posted this on Facebook. I know this is long and much of it has been said already, but I thought she did a great job of consolidating everyone's thoughts. I also think it's a great roadmap for raising a daughter who won't take cr*p from a man or from anyone else in this day and age:
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"I know everybody is laughing about this Josh Duggar story. Oh, a DUGGAR on Ashley Madison, it's so rich! I wish more people would talk about Anna. I normally keep things light on Facebook, but let's talk about Anna.
Let me tell you: Anna Duggar is in the worst position she could possibly be in right now. Anna Duggar was crippled by her parents by receiving no education, having no work experience (or life experience, for that matter) and then was shackled to this loser because his family was famous in their religious circle. Anna Duggar was taught that her sole purpose in life, the most meaningful thing she could do, was to be chaste and proper, a devout wife, and a mother. Anna Duggar did that! Anna Duggar followed the rules that were imposed on her from the get-go and this is what she got in reward- a husband who she found out, in the span of 6 months, not only molested his own sisters, but was unfaithful to her in the most humiliating way possible. While she was fulfilling her "duty" of providing him with four children and raising them. She lived up to the standard that men set for her of being chaste and Godly and in return, the man who demanded this of her sought women who were the opposite. "Be this," they told her. She was. It wasn't enough.
What is Anna Duggar supposed to do? She can't divorce because the religious environment she was brought up would blame her and ostracize her for it. Even if she would risk that, she has no education and no work experience to fall back on, so how does she support her kids? From where could she summon the ability to turn her back on everything she ever held to be sacred and safe? Her beliefs, the very thing she would turn to for comfort in this kind of crisis, are the VERY REASON she is in this predicament in the first place. How can she reconcile this? Her parents have utterly, utterly failed her. Think of this: somewhere, Anna Duggar is sitting in prayer, praying not for the strength to get out and stand on her own, but for the strength to stand by this man she is unfortunately married to. To lower herself so that he may rise up on her back. As a mother of daughters, this makes me ill. Parents, WE MUST DO BETTER BY OUR DAUGHTERS. Boys, men, are born with power. Girls have to command it for themselves. They aren't given it. They assume it and take it. But you have to teach them to do it, that they can do it. We HAVE to teach our daughters that they are not beholden to men like this. That they don't have to marry a man their father deems "acceptable" and then stay married to that man long, long after he proved himself UNACCEPTABLE. Educate them. Empower them. Give them the tools they need to survive, on their own if they must. Josh Duggar should be cowering in fear of Anna Duggar right now. Cowering. He isn't, but he should be. He should be quaking in fear that the house might fall down around them if he's in the same room as she. Please, instill your daughters with the resolve to make a man cower if he must. To say "I don't deserve this, and my children don't deserve this." I wish someone had ever, just once, told Anna she was capable of this. That she knew she is. As for my girls, I'll raise them to think they breathe fire."
and this, in a nutshell, is what the women's rights movement was, is, and shall be all about. stopping. this.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 24, 2015 16:04:54 GMT -5
A friend posted this on Facebook. I know this is long and much of it has been said already, but I thought she did a great job of consolidating everyone's thoughts. I also think it's a great roadmap for raising a daughter who won't take cr*p from a man or from anyone else in this day and age:
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"I know everybody is laughing about this Josh Duggar story. Oh, a DUGGAR on Ashley Madison, it's so rich! I wish more people would talk about Anna. I normally keep things light on Facebook, but let's talk about Anna.
Let me tell you: Anna Duggar is in the worst position she could possibly be in right now. Anna Duggar was crippled by her parents by receiving no education, having no work experience (or life experience, for that matter) and then was shackled to this loser because his family was famous in their religious circle. Anna Duggar was taught that her sole purpose in life, the most meaningful thing she could do, was to be chaste and proper, a devout wife, and a mother. Anna Duggar did that! Anna Duggar followed the rules that were imposed on her from the get-go and this is what she got in reward- a husband who she found out, in the span of 6 months, not only molested his own sisters, but was unfaithful to her in the most humiliating way possible. While she was fulfilling her "duty" of providing him with four children and raising them. She lived up to the standard that men set for her of being chaste and Godly and in return, the man who demanded this of her sought women who were the opposite. "Be this," they told her. She was. It wasn't enough.
What is Anna Duggar supposed to do? She can't divorce because the religious environment she was brought up would blame her and ostracize her for it. Even if she would risk that, she has no education and no work experience to fall back on, so how does she support her kids? From where could she summon the ability to turn her back on everything she ever held to be sacred and safe? Her beliefs, the very thing she would turn to for comfort in this kind of crisis, are the VERY REASON she is in this predicament in the first place. How can she reconcile this? Her parents have utterly, utterly failed her. Think of this: somewhere, Anna Duggar is sitting in prayer, praying not for the strength to get out and stand on her own, but for the strength to stand by this man she is unfortunately married to. To lower herself so that he may rise up on her back. As a mother of daughters, this makes me ill. Parents, WE MUST DO BETTER BY OUR DAUGHTERS. Boys, men, are born with power. Girls have to command it for themselves. They aren't given it. They assume it and take it. But you have to teach them to do it, that they can do it. We HAVE to teach our daughters that they are not beholden to men like this. That they don't have to marry a man their father deems "acceptable" and then stay married to that man long, long after he proved himself UNACCEPTABLE. Educate them. Empower them. Give them the tools they need to survive, on their own if they must. Josh Duggar should be cowering in fear of Anna Duggar right now. Cowering. He isn't, but he should be. He should be quaking in fear that the house might fall down around them if he's in the same room as she. Please, instill your daughters with the resolve to make a man cower if he must. To say "I don't deserve this, and my children don't deserve this." I wish someone had ever, just once, told Anna she was capable of this. That she knew she is. As for my girls, I'll raise them to think they breathe fire."
It will never happen in the households operated like the Duggars and Anna's own family. The women are born and raised to be stepped on.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 17:28:48 GMT -5
Pretty sure she would be shunned and an outcast. They'd be going against the church if they supported her. It takes a lot of courage to do that. There aren't a lot of options for someone with no education and four mouths to feed. Most definitely would not speak well of their community and church to shun her. Does it "speak well of their community and church" to encourage treating women as walking incubation ovens and sex robots?
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 24, 2015 17:42:23 GMT -5
Most definitely would not speak well of their community and church to shun her. Does it "speak well of their community and church" to encourage treating women as walking incubation ovens and sex robots? We can add that too. An Antonov An-225 could probably be parked in Mrs. Duggar's womb.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 24, 2015 21:25:41 GMT -5
That same privilege was denied Hilary Clinton when she didn't divorce Bill Clinton. How does that happen?
I f Hillary had divorced Billy-boy she would have moved out of the White House and out of the power grid. She had/has more power as the wife of an ex-prez than the ex-wife of an ex-prez. Politics as usual. I agree. I always felt like Hilary stayed with Bill for her own selfish reasons. She absolutely had the power and resources to leave him. Not all women have the ability to leave - and those are the ones I feel for. Anna leaving Josh is a near impossibility given her knowledge of the world and her vision of who she is. Plus, I really wonder what Hilary & Bill's marriage was like. They didn't even have to be in the same place most of the time. It seemed like it was a "theoretical" marriage for a long time. Maybe she had action on the side too. Does the White House have a latin pool boy?
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Post by Ryan on Aug 24, 2015 21:46:46 GMT -5
Anna Duggar would have the rest of the Duggar family, her own family, along with their church to support her. Failure to do so would be hypocritical of the Duggars and their church. It would be interesting to see what they would do, if she did leave him. I suspect she would be obligated to return to her own family and they would support her and the kids, although I would have to think she would be a second class citizen in the family, as a 'failed' wife. I have heard (and I don't know if this is true, since I never watched this show) that the oldest Dugger daughter didn't want to get married, she wanted to go to college, and she wasn't allowed to do that, so she remained at home, a permanent nanny to the younger kids, a live in cook and laundress, either waiting until she changes her mind and agrees to marry someone and birth her own giant family or until her parents kick the bucket, I guess. Or until she gets up the courage to run away and try to make it on her own. Not many choices for the women in the quiverful society. I used to watch the duggar show probably 5 years ago (around when Josh got married) and they had a few episodes showing Anna's family. I got the impression that they were basically hillbillies from FL that lived in a trailer park-type situation so I don't know if the family could really support her and the kids.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 25, 2015 6:51:25 GMT -5
It would be interesting to see what they would do, if she did leave him. I suspect she would be obligated to return to her own family and they would support her and the kids, although I would have to think she would be a second class citizen in the family, as a 'failed' wife. I have heard (and I don't know if this is true, since I never watched this show) that the oldest Dugger daughter didn't want to get married, she wanted to go to college, and she wasn't allowed to do that, so she remained at home, a permanent nanny to the younger kids, a live in cook and laundress, either waiting until she changes her mind and agrees to marry someone and birth her own giant family or until her parents kick the bucket, I guess. Or until she gets up the courage to run away and try to make it on her own. Not many choices for the women in the quiverful society. I used to watch the duggar show probably 5 years ago (around when Josh got married) and they had a few episodes showing Anna's family. I got the impression that they were basically hillbillies from FL that lived in a trailer park-type situation so I don't know if the family could really support her and the kids. Oh great, so she either gets to live as a failed wife with the Duggers, becoming permanent household help and pitied/scorned by the rest of the household and community, or she attempts to support four kids on her own with very little education, or she holds her nose and sticks with the Dugger boy who molested girls and participated in a cheating hook up website. This is a throw back to the middle ages when women were chattel, meant to birth children to help on the farm/family business, but with no options outside the family circle other than living on charity or being a whore. While men, on the other hand, inherited the family wealth and family business, had a say in what profession they wanted, and generally got to fornicate where they wanted, as long as they could afford to pay for it. Seems like we're going back in time.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 25, 2015 10:24:17 GMT -5
I'm a Christian- a born again, water baptized, evangelical, Jesus freak. I'm conservative and pro-life in my politics, but I'm also conservative in my life- and when I meet weird people, they instantly turn me off. This family is weird.
I've never watched their show, or read their books-- though some people I know from Church have and they are (or were) enthralled with the whole Duggar thing-- meaning, I think they regard(ed) the Duggars as somehow "better" than the rest of us, and if only we could be like the Duggars.
I've said to more than one Duggar groupie- I think there's a religiosity about the Duggars that some find appealing because there's such a void in our culture of anything remotely sacred, or spiritual in nature. However, I find them inauthentic, and there's something that is simply not right about the way they do things. For example, when you have that many kids- at some point, you end up relying on the kids to raise the kids.
I will rarely concede that it is unfair to 'deprive someone of their childhood' since childhood seems to drag on to about 40 in this country (whole different topic), but it's unfair to give kids responsibility for your other kids to the point where you're totally dependent upon them. Helping out is fine. Raising is YOUR job. But you can't- nobody can. How on earth can you tell me that you can actually actively raise 8, 10, 12, 19 kids?
Then there's the really creepy weirdness about the sex. What's mom and dad's sex life like when you have 19 freaking kids? I mean, every once in awhile, I'd think a normal guy would want to...I don't know...not have sex with a pregnant woman? And what kind of a normal woman can live in a near constant state of being pregnant.
Going back to my first comment- many of us here know what it is like to be expecting a child- not only do you have the sheer numbers of children to tend to, but you're pregnant for damn near the entire time? I'm sorry- that's not normal, and it is not a whole big surprise to me that a kid that grew up with a mom and dad that essentially function like livestock, and in basically a boarding house ended up spending his hormonal formative years forming abnormal behavior and thought patterns. I'm frankly surprised they're not all nuts- and honestly, part of me thinks they probably are.
Oh-- sorry-- EDIT: I almost forgot my entire point: I blame the parents. Yes, in this instance I'm going all 1960's, plastic banana, good time rock and roll, pop psych and I'm going to say these parents are freaks, and that we know about at least one of the apples didn't fall that far from the tree.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 25, 2015 10:33:14 GMT -5
Understatement!
I think it is kind-of weird when families chose to give their kids the same initials - like Kim/Khloe/Kourtney Kardashian. I have known some people IRL that have done it - and I don't see the appeal. But when you know you are going to count your children by the dozens instead of individually - it just seems downright mean.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 25, 2015 10:46:16 GMT -5
I didn't watch it either, more than a few snippets occasionally, but I think what was appealing abut them was two fold - they were unapologetic and deeply Christian at a time when some Christians are feeling discriminated against, and also that they seemed to have a self reliance that reminded some people of the pioneering days - or at least the good parts that were glorified in books like Little House on the Prairie - families pulling together, making your own soap and shampoo, everyone helping around the house or the yard, everyone sitting at the table to eat together. Both my MIL and SIL loved the show.
I never liked it for the same reason you didn't. From what I could see, the oldest Duggar girls essentially ran the household while Mrs Duggar took care of the most recent baby. And it seemed (from the little that I watched) that, with homeschooling and working around the house, the kids didn't seem to get to socialize with other kids much. And Mrs Duggar seemed obligated by TV contract to keep popping out more kids.... very creepy.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 25, 2015 10:50:34 GMT -5
I didn't watch it either, more than a few snippets occasionally, but I think what was appealing abut them was two fold - they were unapologetic and deeply Christian at a time when some Christians are feeling discriminated against, and also that they seemed to have a self reliance that reminded some people of the pioneering days - or at least the good parts that were glorified in books like Little House on the Prairie - families pulling together, making your own soap and shampoo, everyone helping around the house or the yard, everyone sitting at the table to eat together. ....... nearly dying of scarlet fever?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 25, 2015 12:27:47 GMT -5
I didn't watch it either, more than a few snippets occasionally, but I think what was appealing abut them was two fold - they were unapologetic and deeply Christian at a time when some Christians are feeling discriminated against, and also that they seemed to have a self reliance that reminded some people of the pioneering days - or at least the good parts that were glorified in books like Little House on the Prairie - families pulling together, making your own soap and shampoo, everyone helping around the house or the yard, everyone sitting at the table to eat together. ....... nearly dying of scarlet fever? When you cranked out a dozen kids so you'd end up with 3, and the life expectancy was 45?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 25, 2015 12:37:38 GMT -5
I didn't watch it either, more than a few snippets occasionally, but I think what was appealing abut them was two fold - they were unapologetic and deeply Christian at a time when some Christians are feeling discriminated against, and also that they seemed to have a self reliance that reminded some people of the pioneering days - or at least the good parts that were glorified in books like Little House on the Prairie - families pulling together, making your own soap and shampoo, everyone helping around the house or the yard, everyone sitting at the table to eat together. Both my MIL and SIL loved the show. I never liked it for the same reason you didn't. From what I could see, the oldest Duggar girls essentially ran the household while Mrs Duggar took care of the most recent baby. And it seemed (from the little that I watched) that, with homeschooling and working around the house, the kids didn't seem to get to socialize with other kids much. And Mrs Duggar seemed obligated by TV contract to keep popping out more kids.... very creepy. I think you're right. There's a certain segment of our society which are mainly conservative evangelicals that have a sort of religious idealism which makes it easy to fall prey to the notion that there's a way for a family to build a Utopian existence here on earth. My own Mother (in my best southern accent: bless her heart) has this annual Christmas fantasy about all of us getting together somewhere. She's actually pulled it off three or four times, and every time was a lot more Clark Griswold than Laura Ingalls-Wilder. However, even she didn't like the Duggars.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 25, 2015 14:59:13 GMT -5
I didn't watch it either, more than a few snippets occasionally, but I think what was appealing abut them was two fold - they were unapologetic and deeply Christian at a time when some Christians are feeling discriminated against, and also that they seemed to have a self reliance that reminded some people of the pioneering days - or at least the good parts that were glorified in books like Little House on the Prairie - families pulling together, making your own soap and shampoo, everyone helping around the house or the yard, everyone sitting at the table to eat together. ....... nearly dying of scarlet fever? Hey, I didn't say I was a follower of that fantasy, I just said that it exists. If you look through popular blogs, there are quite a few dedicated to the 'homesteading' people who have given up TV and moved to the country to grow chickens and vegetables. Some of them are along the hippie-raw milk-back to the land - run around naked variety, some of them are ultra conservatives who want to wall themselves off from the rest of society, grow their own food, homeschool their kids and live a religious life. I admire them for trying. If I don't have AC in the summer I get all whiney, and I would have to make sure I know how to brew beer before I give up modern life and head into the hills. I don't think it's good for your kids, though, especially if you feel you are religiously obligated to have 10 or 20 of them. The kids don't get to chose that lifestyle, and being raised in isolation like that can severely limit your career potential, especially if your hippie dippy mom didn't see the value of science or math.... or your very conservative dad thinks girls don't need much of an education to be a good mom and housewife.
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