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Post by busymom on Aug 21, 2015 20:56:10 GMT -5
Gee Richard, I thought you knew that a "traditional" marriage was one man, one woman. (At least, that's what the conservatives are saying these days...)
The "traditional" part of marriage in my family tree is sticking together, "for better, for worse". In fact, hearing the stories of what my grandparents & great-grandparents survived, with family tragedies & all, would've broken up a lot of marriages these days. (The loss of children, losing the family farm during the Great Depression, etc.) But, they were stubborn enough not to take any problems out on each other, & worked as a team to get out of difficulties, if they could.
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Post by Robert not Bobby on Aug 21, 2015 21:15:12 GMT -5
There's a certain type of man who is drawn to that sort of faith who will blame the woman for everything, not just cheating. My father was an alcoholic who found god and became a fundie. It completely reinforced his overinflated sense of self importance and he enjoyed the whole man is image of god and head of household role and all that came with it. As an example, we had moved out of state for a job of his. My parents bought a house. My mom (and us kids) were really excited because it was the first nice house we'd ever lived in and we'd been living out in the middle of nowhere without running water or other amenities for years. About a year later he gets fired because he can't play nicely with others, and it's my mother's fault because she was too prideful of having a nice new home and now it was being taken away from us because of that. He got prostate cancer and it was her fault because essentially she didn't have sex with him often enough to keep his pipes cleaned out, so to speak. Nothing bad was ever his fault or due to chance, fate or even god punishing him for something. And nothing good was because of anything other than him and his efforts and sacrifices. Unfortunately he was far from the only one with that mindset in multitude of churches we went to. thanks for posting this. you have my deepest sympathies. Wow, just Wow...no, not for you poll dancer, but you have a good mind: it is for her. I like honesty. We all have our burdens.
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Post by fishy999 on Aug 21, 2015 21:21:03 GMT -5
Brainwashed idiot- just like the Mormon women that share a husband- I feel sorry for her. Cheat on me and there are no second chances- HALF!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 21:25:13 GMT -5
Gee Richard, I thought you knew that a "traditional" marriage was one man, one woman. (At least, that's what the conservatives are saying these days...)
The "traditional" part of marriage in my family tree is sticking together, "for better, for worse". In fact, hearing the stories of what my grandparents & great-grandparents survived, with family tragedies & all, would've broken up a lot of marriages these days. (The loss of children, losing the family farm during the Great Depression, etc.) But, they were stubborn enough not to take any problems out on each other, & worked as a team to get out of difficulties, if they could. Well... I know that's what the "anti-gay marriage, because it goes against traditional marriage" crowd would like us to believe... but... it's historical fact (and Biblically corroborated) that the REAL "traditional" marriage is as I mentioned (including the ETA): "Man in charge, woman as property, everything bad is her fault, and he gets multiple wives/mistresses/concubines"
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 21, 2015 21:39:54 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 22:51:56 GMT -5
No one has come forward claiming to be his lover. We don't know whether he had an actual hookup or not. Josh says he cheated on his wife. In his mind, that could be just by having the account and looking at Internet porn. Did he make an actual connection? At this point, the um, lucky lady or ladies have not stepped up and declared themselves for all of posterity - and their 15 minutes of fame. They may be arranging for agents, a reality show, a Playboy shoot, a " come cheat with me" app.....the possibilities are endless. I truly don't understand how the whole fame thing works in our society, but I would kill myself if the highlight of my life was being a Duggar's side piece. As for Anna, it's not surprising at all. Take a look at almost any of the Christian marriage counseling forums you can find on the internet. The default seems to be no matter what, it's the woman's fault, going all the way back to Eve. The guys not getting what he needs from his wife, so he looks elsewhere-not his fault. Other women are immodest and immoral and tempted him-not his fault. Screw around and lie to everyone in your life-bad boy, but Jesus saves and you're automatically forgiven if you ask for forgiveness. Even if it's a daily thing. Pretty sweet deal to win the lottery and be born with a penis. My mother is a pretty devout Christian. She divorced my dad and married a good Christian man. I do not think she could have been any happier. She loved him very much. He's dead now. And I think he loved her very much. She misses him a lot. I think probably some Christian marriages are happy and some are not.
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Post by busymom on Aug 22, 2015 8:42:50 GMT -5
I saw this quote today, & immediately thought of Josh Duggar:
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Post by imanangel on Aug 22, 2015 10:27:25 GMT -5
There's a certain type of man who is drawn to that sort of faith who will blame the woman for everything, not just cheating. My father was an alcoholic who found god and became a fundie. It completely reinforced his overinflated sense of self importance and he enjoyed the whole man is image of god and head of household role and all that came with it. As an example, we had moved out of state for a job of his. My parents bought a house. My mom (and us kids) were really excited because it was the first nice house we'd ever lived in and we'd been living out in the middle of nowhere without running water or other amenities for years. About a year later he gets fired because he can't play nicely with others, and it's my mother's fault because she was too prideful of having a nice new home and now it was being taken away from us because of that. He got prostate cancer and it was her fault because essentially she didn't have sex with him often enough to keep his pipes cleaned out, so to speak. Nothing bad was ever his fault or due to chance, fate or even god punishing him for something. And nothing good was because of anything other than him and his efforts and sacrifices. Unfortunately he was far from the only one with that mindset in multitude of churches we went to. Sounds like the same church I was raised in. My grandfather was like your dad. I would watch him do all kinds of things that our church called a sin, but every Sunday morning, he would be standing up and testifying about what a God filled life he had. He also liked to use the Bible as reason to be a jerk to my grandma. He was the head of the household and she was to submit to him at all times! Watching him really turned me against that church/religion.
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Post by fishy999 on Aug 22, 2015 22:27:43 GMT -5
Regular Christianity is fond of women akin to property. They have more in common with Islam than freedom or democracy.
When do the citizens wake up in this country and see religion as the fraud that it is? Today a GOP official claimed that God has anointed and raised Ted Cruz to be president- and right while he is using the persecution angle- he brought florists and bakers on stage!
No difference between fundamentalist Christians or Muslims as far as I can tell- it is all asshole men controlling women.
Loved the latest Ranger class where 2 women made it where so many men failed- and of course Fox news was right there to put them in their place. Women to arrogant male assholes- you lose- we are smarter and in the Ranger class might have to drag your ass to safety- wonder how that sits.
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Post by Shooby on Aug 22, 2015 23:48:18 GMT -5
It's her life and family. If she wants to try to work out her marriage that is her business.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 23, 2015 4:56:43 GMT -5
Regular Christianity is fond of women akin to property. They have more in common with Islam than freedom or democracy. When do the citizens wake up in this country and see religion as the fraud that it is? Today a GOP official claimed that God has anointed and raised Ted Cruz to be president- and right while he is using the persecution angle- he brought florists and bakers on stage! No difference between fundamentalist Christians or Muslims as far as I can tell- it is all asshole men controlling women. Loved the latest Ranger class where 2 women made it where so many men failed- and of course Fox news was right there to put them in their place. Women to arrogant male assholes- you lose- we are smarter and in the Ranger class might have to drag your ass to safety- wonder how that sits. Wait...what? I thought God wants Trump to be POTUS. Just like Santorum, Huckabee, Perry et al, said God spoke to them and wanted them to be POTUS. Oh, it's enough to make my head spin!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 5:06:29 GMT -5
You don't understand God, weltz... God wants ALL of them to be President... Kind of like a Christian Hydra
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Post by marvholly on Aug 23, 2015 5:34:40 GMT -5
Ana has been brainwashed by her family & schooling (or lack there of). I can only feel sorry that she is stuck in that life and hope that she comes to her senses. What worries me the most are the kids being raised this way - both men and women.
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Post by marvholly on Aug 23, 2015 5:39:54 GMT -5
Brainwashed idiot- just like the Mormon women that share a husband- I feel sorry for her. Cheat on me and there are no second chances- HALF! Always tol my late DH that if he ever cheated on me he would sing soprano for thhe rest of his life.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 5:59:20 GMT -5
Brainwashed idiot- just like the Mormon women that share a husband- I feel sorry for her. Cheat on me and there are no second chances- HALF! Why does only "wanting to share a spouse (man or woman, Mormon or otherwise)" = "brainwashed idiot"? Why doesn't "Monogamy is how it's supposed to be" = "brainwashed idiot" too? (I'm not suggesting EITHER qualifies, I'm just using fishy's phrase) BOTH (monogamy AND polygamy) are things people are brought up to believe in... or come to the realization themselves (in some cases). Neither is "absolute provable fact as to which is proper and correct for everyone, all the time." Inquiring minds want to know...
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Post by Shooby on Aug 23, 2015 7:11:05 GMT -5
Ana has been brainwashed by her family & schooling (or lack there of). I can only feel sorry that she is stuck in that life and hope that she comes to her senses. What worries me the most are the kids being raised this way - both men and women. How do you know? Do you know her personally?
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Post by Shooby on Aug 23, 2015 7:12:02 GMT -5
Why attack her ? She didn't do anything wrong?
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 23, 2015 7:43:10 GMT -5
Why attack her ? She didn't do anything wrong? No she didn't. Which is the original reason for this thread. But she needs to put her big girl panties on, act like an adult with a mind of her own, and not be a doormat and possible cause for her husband's indescretions. From the opening post, the article clip: 'A source told People today, meanwhile, that "Anna will not leave him. As with her in-laws, she is turning more to her faith than ever. She and Josh are probably praying around the clock right now, I would assume." Moreover, the source said, "Maybe not publicly, ever, but privately, there will be some suggestion of whether or not she should have been more aware of the pressures Josh was under, of the issues he was facing, and how she could have better counseled him or helped him.""
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Post by Shooby on Aug 23, 2015 8:23:54 GMT -5
She has to work through this in her own way. She may feel that her marriage is worth salvaging. Who are you to tell her that she shouldn't?
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Post by swamp on Aug 23, 2015 8:28:18 GMT -5
She has to work through this in her own way. She may feel that her marriage is worth salvaging. Who are you to tell her that she shouldn't? But here's the problem. She really doesn't have any choice. She has 4 young children, no job skills, and no education. If she leaves him, she leaves her entire support network.
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Post by Shooby on Aug 23, 2015 8:31:48 GMT -5
She has the same choices as any other woman in her position. There are lots of women with children who haven't gone to college who divorce and find a way to move on. You keep presuming that she wants to leave him, maybe she doesn't. Or, maybe she feels that now that the truth is really out, that if he comes clean and they get counseling, then maybe they can move forward. Not sure why you are so vehement about what SHE should do?
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Post by swamp on Aug 23, 2015 8:33:13 GMT -5
She has the same choices as any other woman in her position. There are lots of women with children who haven't gone to college who divorce and find a way to move on. You keep presuming that she wants to leave him, maybe she doesn't. Or, maybe she feels that now that the truth is really out, that if he comes clean and they get counseling, then maybe they can move forward. Not sure why you are so vehement about what SHE should do? I'm about as vehement as you are. But I think you are complete oblivious to the limited choice available to Quiverfull women.
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Post by Shooby on Aug 23, 2015 8:33:34 GMT -5
I am not telling her what to do. She can do whatever the hell she pleases.
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Post by swamp on Aug 23, 2015 8:37:05 GMT -5
Neither am I but a also see how hard it would be to leave IF SHE WANTED TO.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 23, 2015 8:37:59 GMT -5
She has to work through this in her own way. She may feel that her marriage is worth salvaging. Who are you to tell her that she shouldn't? I don't believe I said she should him and end her marriage. I said she should put on her big girl panties and not be a door mat. If you interpretated that I said she should end her marriage, you have a real big comprehension problem.
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Post by Shooby on Aug 23, 2015 8:45:00 GMT -5
She's being a 'door mat' because she isn't acting exactly as you think she should? It's her life not yours.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 23, 2015 8:57:05 GMT -5
She's being a 'door mat' because she isn't acting exactly as you think she should? It's her life not yours. You are right. If the woman-child wishes to remain being treated like a child with no mind of her own it is her right. Beside-men know what is best for all women.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 23, 2015 14:04:50 GMT -5
She has to work through this in her own way. She may feel that her marriage is worth salvaging. Who are you to tell her that she shouldn't? This interests me. That same privilege was denied Hilary Clinton when she didn't divorce Bill Clinton. How does that happen?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 23, 2015 16:54:36 GMT -5
She has to work through this in her own way. She may feel that her marriage is worth salvaging. Who are you to tell her that she shouldn't? This interests me. That same privilege was denied Hilary Clinton when she didn't divorce Bill Clinton. How does that happen?
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 23, 2015 16:57:07 GMT -5
This interests me. That same privilege was denied Hilary Clinton when she didn't divorce Bill Clinton. How does that happen? This compliments reply #1.
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