Confederate flags painted by George Zimmerman for sale

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Not sure what to think of  this.    His last painting sold for $100,000.  I think art is in as an investment, so might be a good buy.


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[djAdvocate]

novelty art tends to not appreciate as well as fine art.

[fishy999]

Is it art or celebrity?  A Kim Kardashian butt print would sell too.

The value could go either way depending what happens to him in the future.  Don't people spend a lot of money on art from serial killers or other infamous folks?  He gets killed in a shootout or something the value goes up.  If I had 100K to invest I can think of 100K better places to invest it.  Is the guy still jobless?

If he was smart he would auction off the gun he killed the kid with- bet that would go for over 100K.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 17, 2015 20:20:08 GMT -5 fishy999 said:

Is it art or celebrity?  A Kim Kardashian butt print would sell too.

The value could go either way depending what happens to him in the future.  Don't people spend a lot of money on art from serial killers or other infamous folks?  He gets killed in a shootout or something the value goes up.  If I had 100K to invest I can think of 100K better places to invest it.  Is the guy still jobless?

If he was smart he would auction off the gun he killed the kid with- bet that would go for over 100K.

he is puffing a big stogie like Trump and Limbaugh in that interview.  f)((k that guy.

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Aug 17, 2015 21:14:56 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Aug 17, 2015 20:20:08 GMT -5 fishy999 said:

Is it art or celebrity?  A Kim Kardashian butt print would sell too.

The value could go either way depending what happens to him in the future.  Don't people spend a lot of money on art from serial killers or other infamous folks?  He gets killed in a shootout or something the value goes up.  If I had 100K to invest I can think of 100K better places to invest it.  Is the guy still jobless?

If he was smart he would auction off the gun he killed the kid with- bet that would go for over 100K.

he is puffing a big stogie like Trump and Limbaugh in that interview.  f)((k that guy.

Like him or not, he seems to be developing a business acumen.  The "Flag Store" and "Dixie Outfitters" in Branson, Missouri sold all their battle flags in a couple of days (like 400 flags each).  They usually sell about 5/10 a month.  I stopped in and asked.  They still don't have any as the distributor is still out of stock.  I've been seeing them EVERYWHERE down here. 

[djAdvocate]

Aug 18, 2015 15:05:33 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Aug 17, 2015 21:14:56 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

he is puffing a big stogie like Trump and Limbaugh in that interview.  f)((k that guy.

Like him or not, he seems to be developing a business acumen.  The "Flag Store" and "Dixie Outfitters" in Branson, Missouri sold all their battle flags in a couple of days (like 400 flags each).  They usually sell about 5/10 a month.  I stopped in and asked.  They still don't have any as the distributor is still out of stock.  I've been seeing them EVERYWHERE down here. 

who?  zimmerman.  thug acumen is more like it.  but whatevz.  don't really give a shit.  he is going to end up in jail or a ditch. 

[fishy999]

I am surprised stores are selling out of confederate flags- no real reason for it other than the uptick in purchases by a small bunch of racists that are getting off adorning their trucks with them and driving through black neighborhoods to broadcast their "heritage".

No surprise Zimmerman finds common cause with a gun range owner that bans Muslims- and they plan to use their proceeds for living and legal expenses.  A lot of people support that and them- it is  a sad commentary on humanity in the United States.

Still- why does he not have a real job and stay out of the spotlight?  Go work at the gun store and stop soliciting money from other people.  Normal people would try to bury that 15 minutes of fame, not clutch on to it.

[Tennesseer]

Aug 18, 2015 21:01:50 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

Normal people would try to bury that 15 minutes of fame, not clutch on to it.

You're vastly underestimating human greed. If this guy's paintings are selling for $100k each he's making bank. Assuming he's slower than shit, he can crank out at least one painting a month. That's over a million a year.

For that kind of money I'd paint whatever people were willing to buy. Mohammed raping Jesus, black people being lynched, whatever. For $100k per canvas I'll put whatever the hell you want on it.

But are you douche bag infamous? No.

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Aug 18, 2015 20:57:39 GMT -5 fishy999 said:

I am surprised stores are selling out of confederate flags- no real reason for it other than the uptick in purchases by a small bunch of racists that are getting off adorning their trucks with them and driving through black neighborhoods to broadcast their "heritage".

No surprise Zimmerman finds common cause with a gun range owner that bans Muslims- and they plan to use their proceeds for living and legal expenses.  A lot of people support that and them- it is  a sad commentary on humanity in the United States.

Still- why does he not have a real job and stay out of the spotlight?  Go work at the gun store and stop soliciting money from other people.  Normal people would try to bury that 15 minutes of fame, not clutch on to it.

Who are you to tell others what they should do?  People fly confederate flags because it ticks off people like you, people who think their values are the right ones and people with different values should stop what they are doing and follow your values.

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Aug 18, 2015 20:57:39 GMT -5 fishy999 said:

I am surprised stores are selling out of confederate flags- no real reason for it other than the uptick in purchases by a small bunch of racists that are getting off adorning their trucks with them and driving through black neighborhoods to broadcast their "heritage".

No surprise Zimmerman finds common cause with a gun range owner that bans Muslims- and they plan to use their proceeds for living and legal expenses.  A lot of people support that and them- it is  a sad commentary on humanity in the United States.

Still- why does he not have a real job and stay out of the spotlight?  Go work at the gun store and stop soliciting money from other people.  Normal people would try to bury that 15 minutes of fame, not clutch on to it.

Racists aren't the only ones buying the flag. Matter of fact, I'd bet real money that MOST recent purchases are by people proud of their non-slavery, non-racist, related Southern Pride.

(a few examples)

[fishy999]

Aug 19, 2015 15:11:49 GMT -5 @hickle said:

Aug 18, 2015 20:57:39 GMT -5 fishy999 said:

I am surprised stores are selling out of confederate flags- no real reason for it other than the uptick in purchases by a small bunch of racists that are getting off adorning their trucks with them and driving through black neighborhoods to broadcast their "heritage".

No surprise Zimmerman finds common cause with a gun range owner that bans Muslims- and they plan to use their proceeds for living and legal expenses.  A lot of people support that and them- it is  a sad commentary on humanity in the United States.

Still- why does he not have a real job and stay out of the spotlight?  Go work at the gun store and stop soliciting money from other people.  Normal people would try to bury that 15 minutes of fame, not clutch on to it.

Who are you to tell others what they should do?  People fly confederate flags because it ticks off people like you, people who think their values are the right ones and people with different values should stop what they are doing and follow your values.

It is called an opinion- no reason he cannot go work a normal job instead of cashing in what I consider a murder- it is in bad taste.  And giving him the benefit of the doubt that maybe it was self defense in the moment- after his bad decisions to get there- it is still sick to profit off of it.  That's my take on it.

Confederate flags do not bother me at all- I just offered an explanation of why sales might be up.  Can you think of any other reason?  It is not like the flags are banned- no need to stock up.  But there is ample reason to buy them and make political statements with them- so maybe you explain why these flag rallies are taking place and intentionally target black people, why these folks like to show off their guns in the process, etc.  Free country- if people want to drive around with these flags I could care less, fly them on the house- no problems here- I like knowing where the racists are.

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Aug 19, 2015 20:40:05 GMT -5 fishy999 said:

Aug 19, 2015 15:11:49 GMT -5 @hickle said:

Who are you to tell others what they should do?  People fly confederate flags because it ticks off people like you, people who think their values are the right ones and people with different values should stop what they are doing and follow your values.

It is called an opinion- no reason he cannot go work a normal job instead of cashing in what I consider a murder- it is in bad taste.  And giving him the benefit of the doubt that maybe it was self defense in the moment- after his bad decisions to get there- it is still sick to profit off of it.  That's my take on it.

Confederate flags do not bother me at all- I just offered an explanation of why sales might be up.  Can you think of any other reason?  It is not like the flags are banned- no need to stock up.  But there is ample reason to buy them and make political statements with them- so maybe you explain why these flag rallies are taking place and intentionally target black people, why these folks like to show off their guns in the process, etc.  Free country- if people want to drive around with these flags I could care less, fly them on the house- no problems here- I like knowing where the racists are.

I'm confused... since most people that fly the Confederate flag actually AREN'T racists, and many people that ARE racist don't fly the flag... how would people flying them on their homes/cars/trucks alert you to the people that are racists?

[OldCoyote]

Come on you are just jealous that you can't sell painted Confederate flags for $100,000.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 19, 2015 21:22:53 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Come on you are just jealous that you can't sell painted Confederate flags for $100,000.

jealousy is not the right term.  it is somewhere between sickened and appalled. 

[fishy999]

Aug 19, 2015 20:46:17 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Aug 19, 2015 20:40:05 GMT -5 fishy999 said:

It is called an opinion- no reason he cannot go work a normal job instead of cashing in what I consider a murder- it is in bad taste.  And giving him the benefit of the doubt that maybe it was self defense in the moment- after his bad decisions to get there- it is still sick to profit off of it.  That's my take on it.

Confederate flags do not bother me at all- I just offered an explanation of why sales might be up.  Can you think of any other reason?  It is not like the flags are banned- no need to stock up.  But there is ample reason to buy them and make political statements with them- so maybe you explain why these flag rallies are taking place and intentionally target black people, why these folks like to show off their guns in the process, etc.  Free country- if people want to drive around with these flags I could care less, fly them on the house- no problems here- I like knowing where the racists are.

I'm confused... since most people that fly the Confederate flag actually AREN'T racists, and many people that ARE racist don't fly the flag... how would people flying them on their homes/cars/trucks alert you to the people that are racists?

Unless it is the General Lee I am assuming two things- that the flyer of that flag is either a racist, or someone that has no idea what the symbol means.  

Notice the Nazi flag is not so popular- plenty of heritage in the fighting of that war- and weirdly the second choice of white supremacists in Germany is the confederate flag.  It is plain as day to me- and I have no ideas about banning flags or restricting speech- I only think the government has no business flying it.  Plus I find it quite telling that these flag rallies are a response to the black lives matter thing- just my opinion.

I have never bought a flag, bumper sticker, or anything political to adorn my home or car with- so it says to me that the people buying these things are trying to make a statement- and I disagree with it- because the only message or motivation I can come up with is a racist one.  Fair enough if you disagree with it- not going to criticize your avatar either.

Maybe the better idea is to come down on the racists that have turned heritage into hate- if there are that many non-racists that like that symbol then why aren't they coming out and condemning the people using it that manner?

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Aug 20, 2015 21:54:08 GMT -5 fishy999 said:

Aug 19, 2015 20:46:17 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

I'm confused... since most people that fly the Confederate flag actually AREN'T racists, and many people that ARE racist don't fly the flag... how would people flying them on their homes/cars/trucks alert you to the people that are racists?

Unless it is the General Lee I am assuming two things- that the flyer of that flag is either a racist, or someone that has no idea what the symbol means.  

Notice the Nazi flag is not so popular- plenty of heritage in the fighting of that war- and weirdly the second choice of white supremacists in Germany is the confederate flag.  It is plain as day to me- and I have no ideas about banning flags or restricting speech- I only think the government has no business flying it.  Plus I find it quite telling that these flag rallies are a response to the black lives matter thing- just my opinion.

I have never bought a flag, bumper sticker, or anything political to adorn my home or car with- so it says to me that the people buying these things are trying to make a statement- and I disagree with it- because the only message or motivation I can come up with is a racist one.  Fair enough if you disagree with it- not going to criticize your avatar either.

Maybe the better idea is to come down on the racists that have turned heritage into hate- if there are that many non-racists that like that symbol then why aren't they coming out and condemning the people using it that manner?

First bolded: But if you think it stands for racism it's actually you that "has no idea what [it] means".

Second bolded: They are. They just don't get the media coverage that the hate groups get.

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Aug 19, 2015 22:45:12 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Aug 19, 2015 21:22:53 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Come on you are just jealous that you can't sell painted Confederate flags for $100,000.

jealousy is not the right term.  it is somewhere between sickened and appalled. 

Not only do I see on a weekly basis, two black guys with a Confederate battle flag on their pickup truck, Richard in Ten seems to have a lot of pictures of the same thing.  What we need is a nice southern African American couple who are reasonably well to do,  buy one of Zimmermans paintings. That will put the Yankee liberal media types in a tizzy. It'll be a secret tizzy though, because they'll never cover it.  Liberal media, keeping the racism alive.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 21, 2015 12:14:30 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Aug 19, 2015 22:45:12 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

jealousy is not the right term.  it is somewhere between sickened and appalled. 

Not only do I see on a weekly basis, two black guys with a Confederate battle flag on their pickup truck, Richard in Ten seems to have a lot of pictures of the same thing.  What we need is a nice southern African American couple who are reasonably well to do,  buy one of Zimmermans paintings. That will put the Yankee liberal media types in a tizzy. It'll be a secret tizzy though, because they'll never cover it.  Liberal media, keeping the racism alive.

my comment actually had nothing to do with the confederate flag, d23, except in one sense: it was attention getting.  he could have painted swastikas or white on black violence, and i would have the same reaction.  it is the COMBINATION of the person involved, the attention grabbing subject matter, and the "reward" for that combination that i find sickening.  just to be perfectly clear, i had the same reaction to "Piss Christ".

if people want to celebrate the antebellum South, with all it's warts, including slavery- that is THEIR BUSINESS.  hopefully, when it comes to advocating for stuff that is MY BUSINESS, like consensual sexual relations or taking drugs, they will be equally respectful.  

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Aug 18, 2015 20:57:39 GMT -5 fishy999 said:

I am surprised stores are selling out of confederate flags- no real reason for it other than the uptick in purchases by a small bunch of racists that are getting off adorning their trucks with them and driving through black neighborhoods to broadcast their "heritage".

No surprise Zimmerman finds common cause with a gun range owner that bans Muslims- and they plan to use their proceeds for living and legal expenses.  A lot of people support that and them- it is  a sad commentary on humanity in the United States.

Still- why does he not have a real job and stay out of the spotlight?  Go work at the gun store and stop soliciting money from other people.  Normal people would try to bury that 15 minutes of fame, not clutch on to it.

Maybe you could give me your source that the flags were bought by a "small bunch of racists".  If I was a working man and had a choice between selling flag paintings for $100,000 a pop versus working at a gun shop, I think the smart decision would be to sell the paintings.  When it comes to sales, how is selling guns different from selling paintings ?

[djAdvocate]

Aug 21, 2015 12:31:25 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Aug 18, 2015 20:57:39 GMT -5 fishy999 said:

I am surprised stores are selling out of confederate flags- no real reason for it other than the uptick in purchases by a small bunch of racists that are getting off adorning their trucks with them and driving through black neighborhoods to broadcast their "heritage".

No surprise Zimmerman finds common cause with a gun range owner that bans Muslims- and they plan to use their proceeds for living and legal expenses.  A lot of people support that and them- it is  a sad commentary on humanity in the United States.

Still- why does he not have a real job and stay out of the spotlight?  Go work at the gun store and stop soliciting money from other people.  Normal people would try to bury that 15 minutes of fame, not clutch on to it.

Maybe you could give me your source that the flags were bought by a "small bunch of racists".  If I was a working man and had a choice between selling flag paintings for $100,000 a pop versus working at a gun shop, I think the smart decision would be to sell the paintings.  When it comes to sales, how is selling guns different from selling paintings ?

in a number of ways.  first of all, selling guns says nothing about the seller.  it is not PERSONAL, it is just business.  secondly, guns are not subject to valuation on the basis of whether their creator has any artistic talent, or is in any way worthy from the standpoint of creativity to a collector or appreciator of art.  but i would also add that if you are selling crap art for $100k/pop you are not going to get very far: your market is far shallower than the American gun market.  in other words, you can make an actual living in the latter- the former, quite doubtful (unless you exhibit talent, like Churchill did).

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Aug 21, 2015 12:26:33 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Aug 21, 2015 12:14:30 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Not only do I see on a weekly basis, two black guys with a Confederate battle flag on their pickup truck, Richard in Ten seems to have a lot of pictures of the same thing.  What we need is a nice southern African American couple who are reasonably well to do,  buy one of Zimmermans paintings. That will put the Yankee liberal media types in a tizzy. It'll be a secret tizzy though, because they'll never cover it.  Liberal media, keeping the racism alive.

my comment actually had nothing to do with the confederate flag, d23, except in one sense: it was attention getting.  he could have painted swastikas or white on black violence, and i would have the same reaction.  it is the COMBINATION of the person involved, the attention grabbing subject matter, and the "reward" for that combination that i find sickening.  just to be perfectly clear, i had the same reaction to "Piss Christ".

if people want to celebrate the antebellum South, with all it's warts, including slavery- that is THEIR BUSINESS.  hopefully, when it comes to advocating for stuff that is MY BUSINESS, like consensual sexual relations or taking drugs, they will be equally respectful.  

No problem with consensual sex from me (Insert any southern joke about lonely young men doing cows or sheep here)  Using illegal drugs happens here as much as anywhere.  I don't have much respect for what I consider escapism. IMHO of course. When drug users have a majority, I'm sure the laws will change.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 21, 2015 12:42:35 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Aug 21, 2015 12:26:33 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

my comment actually had nothing to do with the confederate flag, d23, except in one sense: it was attention getting.  he could have painted swastikas or white on black violence, and i would have the same reaction.  it is the COMBINATION of the person involved, the attention grabbing subject matter, and the "reward" for that combination that i find sickening.  just to be perfectly clear, i had the same reaction to "Piss Christ".

if people want to celebrate the antebellum South, with all it's warts, including slavery- that is THEIR BUSINESS.  hopefully, when it comes to advocating for stuff that is MY BUSINESS, like consensual sexual relations or taking drugs, they will be equally respectful.  

No problem with consensual sex from me (Insert any southern joke about lonely young men doing cows or sheep here)  Using illegal drugs happens here as much as anywhere.  I don't have much respect for what I consider escapism. IMHO of course. When drug users have a majority, I'm sure the laws will change.

i don't need anyone's respect.  i just need them to stay out of my business.

we good?

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Aug 21, 2015 12:35:03 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Aug 21, 2015 12:31:25 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Maybe you could give me your source that the flags were bought by a "small bunch of racists".  If I was a working man and had a choice between selling flag paintings for $100,000 a pop versus working at a gun shop, I think the smart decision would be to sell the paintings.  When it comes to sales, how is selling guns different from selling paintings ?

in a number of ways.  first of all, selling guns says nothing about the seller.  it is not PERSONAL, it is just business.  secondly, guns are not subject to valuation on the basis of whether their creator has any artistic talent, or is in any way worthy from the standpoint of creativity to a collector or appreciator of art.  but i would also add that if you are selling crap art for $100k/pop you are not going to get very far: your market is far shallower than the American gun market.  in other words, you can make an actual living in the latter- the former, quite doubtful (unless you exhibit talent, like Churchill did).

When the paintings stop selling, go work at the gun store.    I was hoping fishy was going to answer my quoting her post.  Or is this one of those "pile on" situations that you hate so much when it happens to you ?  I would still like a source for her "small bunch of racists" claim.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 21, 2015 12:48:12 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Aug 21, 2015 12:35:03 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

in a number of ways.  first of all, selling guns says nothing about the seller.  it is not PERSONAL, it is just business.  secondly, guns are not subject to valuation on the basis of whether their creator has any artistic talent, or is in any way worthy from the standpoint of creativity to a collector or appreciator of art.  but i would also add that if you are selling crap art for $100k/pop you are not going to get very far: your market is far shallower than the American gun market.  in other words, you can make an actual living in the latter- the former, quite doubtful (unless you exhibit talent, like Churchill did).

When the paintings stop selling, go work at the gun store.    I was hoping fishy was going to answer my quoting her post.  Or is this one of those "pile on" situations that you hate so much when it happens to you ?  I would still like a source for her "small bunch of racists" claim.

do you want me to delete my posts?  i have strong opinions about art, D23.  forgive my intrusion.

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Aug 21, 2015 12:45:21 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Aug 21, 2015 12:42:35 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

No problem with consensual sex from me (Insert any southern joke about lonely young men doing cows or sheep here)  Using illegal drugs happens here as much as anywhere.  I don't have much respect for what I consider escapism. IMHO of course. When drug users have a majority, I'm sure the laws will change.

i don't need anyone's respect.  i just need them to stay out of my business.

we good?

We're always good.    I don't understand what you mean by staying out of your business.  This is a discussion forum. 

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Aug 21, 2015 12:49:39 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Aug 21, 2015 12:48:12 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

When the paintings stop selling, go work at the gun store.    I was hoping fishy was going to answer my quoting her post.  Or is this one of those "pile on" situations that you hate so much when it happens to you ?  I would still like a source for her "small bunch of racists" claim.

do you want me to delete my posts?  i have strong opinions about art, D23.  forgive my intrusion.

No, don't delete.  I think we're on opposite ends of the art appreciation spectrum. 

[djAdvocate]

Aug 21, 2015 12:52:29 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Aug 21, 2015 12:45:21 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i don't need anyone's respect.  i just need them to stay out of my business.

we good?

We're always good.    I don't understand what you mean by staying out of your business.  This is a discussion forum. 

i wasn't referring to anyone on the board.  i was asking if you agree with the principle that "a person should be allowed to do whatever he wishes with his person or property so long as he is not harming the person or property of a non-consenting other"?

yay or nay?

[djAdvocate]

Aug 21, 2015 12:55:23 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Aug 21, 2015 12:49:39 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

do you want me to delete my posts?  i have strong opinions about art, D23.  forgive my intrusion.

No, don't delete.  I think we're on opposite ends of the art appreciation spectrum. 

irrelevant.  you are completely entitled to kitch, and i am completely entitled to criticize it. 

so, i take it you are a fan of "Piss Christ"? 

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Aug 21, 2015 12:56:48 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Aug 21, 2015 12:52:29 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

We're always good.    I don't understand what you mean by staying out of your business.  This is a discussion forum. 

i wasn't referring to anyone on the board.  i was asking if you agree with the principle that "a person should be allowed to do whatever he wishes with his person or property so long as he is not harming the person or property of a non-consenting other"?

yay or nay?

Agree, but there is a lot of grey area on that subject.

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Aug 21, 2015 12:57:30 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Aug 21, 2015 12:55:23 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

No, don't delete.  I think we're on opposite ends of the art appreciation spectrum. 

irrelevant.  you are completely entitled to kitch, and i am completely entitled to criticize it. 

so, i take it you are a fan of "Piss Christ"? 

I don't know what kitch is nor ever heard of or seen "Piss Christ" either.  Is it a slam at the Christianity cult ?  The best way for me to explain how I feel about art is taking how you feel about Zimmermans' painting of the Confederate battle flag and applying it to all art, just an easy source of money.  I can easily accept it means something to someone else, just not me.  I'm art neutral, as in no feelings at all for it.  I've been self limiting this discussion to visual art, have you ?