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Post by Ombud on Jun 15, 2015 21:47:53 GMT -5
Can't post links here because I'm doing it on my droid. But I just read on Yahoo about some idiotic CPS rules that an 11 year old cannot play basketball for 90 minutes in their yard while the parents are coming home. That's about as stupid as stupid is. I cannot even imagine CPS getting involved in an 11 year old that is home by themselves. After all 11 year olds are responsible, and certainly responsible enough to be in their own yard by themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 22:07:48 GMT -5
www.yahoo.com/parenting/parents-under-investigation-after-11-year-old-121600960882.htmlHere is the link. This is ridiculous. 1-1/2 hours in his own yard, playing and CPS intervenes? I think it is fine if police do a welfare check, but CPS taking the kids is ridiculous. This is the second time I have heard of FL CPS overreacting on a child that is not at risk. I have to say that with all the kids that ARE being abused and in neglectful situations, CPS has no business intervening in a one off issue. I do however think it is weird that the kid did not have his own key or access to a hidden key. Why would you lock your own kid out of your house?
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Post by Ombud on Jun 15, 2015 22:27:19 GMT -5
Thanks for the link. All GKs know the keyless entry code to the house. That said, the kids would still be playing basketball outside. They like playing outside, most kids do
Guess my parents were really bad bc we were always home alone after school
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 22:48:58 GMT -5
I was babysitting other kids at age 12. Are kids really legally incompetent to be latchkey at 11?
I really don't understand what business CPS has with an 11 year old that is NOT being abused and was just home in the yard alone.
This isn't a PC topic because no 'rights' agencies seem to help these people.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Jun 15, 2015 23:05:23 GMT -5
How did CPS even know that the parents weren't home unless a nosy neighbor called them? If it was my kid and CPS stuck their nose in my business without reason to, I'd be pissed.
I see kids playing outside all the time - or shooting hoops in the driveway. The last thing I'd do is question whether a parent was also home (or not). I also see them riding bikes around the neighborhood or playing & having fun in the nearby park without parental supervision. Oh! The Horror! I guess I should get on the phone - those kids are obviously neglected. ((Sarcasm))
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 16, 2015 8:23:26 GMT -5
I imagine it was some crabby senior citizen neighbors who get tired of the noise of a bouncing basketball. Probably many calls going in to police etc, who turned it over to CPS.
BETTER THAN HAVING POLICE COME IN AND TASERING HIM.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 16, 2015 8:36:23 GMT -5
My house doesn't have a garage - so it is pretty obvious when both of us are gone because there are zero cars. Not a guarantee - but a pretty good indicator. I ask my kids to not play out front when we are not home, but sometimes they still play out front for reasons I can almost accept. I really don't know how anal I should be about it. I keep thinking if I let it slide long enough, they will be older and I won't have to think about it any more.
The kid really should have a key, or they should put in a lock with a code. I got my son a key - he never uses it and always comes through the door with a code. That is actually fine with me because then I know all the doors are still locked when he is in here.
My biggest fear from my kids being alone in the house is that someone will break in for a normal robbery, and either my kids will be sitting there hanging out on the couch (in which case, I hope the robber runs away and my kids are safe) or they come home to an empty house, open the door and there is a guy standing in there dismantling our TV or something. My adult neighbor walked in on a guy who was robbing his house, and the robber punched him so he could get time to run away. My neighbor was shaken up (as he should be.) I would think if that happened to a 10-14 year old it might be a pretty powerful memory that would cause a little anxiety over the course of their lifetime.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Jun 16, 2015 10:20:29 GMT -5
Apparently, a neighbor did notice the kid alone and called the authorities.
Gee, thanks neighbor, for getting the cops and CPS involved. Now the parents must defend themselves in court, they are mandated to attend family therapy and the kids have to go to a supervised camp. All because you stuck your snout where it did not belong. Maybe if you had come out of your damned house and asked the kid if everything was OK first. Or...oh, gee, I dunno....maybe offered to sit outside with him.
But no....getting the authorities involved, when they could be dealing with real situations, is a much better option.
What a jerk. And shame on the authorities as well, for letting this go as far as it has. I hope the courts laugh in the face of the cops and CPS and throw it out.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 16, 2015 10:23:40 GMT -5
Apparently, a neighbor did notice the kid alone and called the authorities. Gee, thanks neighbor, for getting the cops and CPS involved. Now the parents must defend themselves in court, they are mandated to attend family therapy and the kids have to go to a supervised camp. All because you stuck your snout where it did not belong. Maybe if you had come out of your damned house and asked the kid if everything was OK first. Or...oh, gee, I dunno....maybe offered to sit outside with him. But no....getting the authorities involved, when they could be dealing with real situations, is a much better option. What a jerk. And shame on the authorities as well, for letting this go as far as it has. I hope the courts laugh in the face of the cops and CPS and throw it out. And reimburse the parents for time and monies the parents are out defending themselves.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Jun 16, 2015 10:30:59 GMT -5
Apparently, a neighbor did notice the kid alone and called the authorities. Gee, thanks neighbor, for getting the cops and CPS involved. Now the parents must defend themselves in court, they are mandated to attend family therapy and the kids have to go to a supervised camp. All because you stuck your snout where it did not belong. Maybe if you had come out of your damned house and asked the kid if everything was OK first. Or...oh, gee, I dunno....maybe offered to sit outside with him. But no....getting the authorities involved, when they could be dealing with real situations, is a much better option. What a jerk. And shame on the authorities as well, for letting this go as far as it has. I hope the courts laugh in the face of the cops and CPS and throw it out. And reimburse the parents for time and monies the parents are out defending themselves. and I hope the parents sue the %#!* out of the neighbor who turned them in.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 16, 2015 11:34:16 GMT -5
My sister and I were latchkey kids. We'd walk home from school and I'd make French fries for us in hot oil. I was nine and she was six. If this happened today, we'd be taken away. Now an eleven year old can't play basketball outside? Ridiculous! Both my parents had to work to put food on the table.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Jun 16, 2015 11:39:53 GMT -5
I just don't get it. As a society, we complain about kids being indoors, watching too much TV, playing too many video games and overeating.
But good heavens, let them outside to actually play for awhile, and holy administrative hell, Batman! Call the cops, there's a kid outside! With a basketball, no less! Actually not sitting on his keester!
People are stupid. Bad enough there are helicopter parents. Last thing we need are helicopter neighbors, too.
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Post by Ombud on Jun 16, 2015 11:42:25 GMT -5
Although parents shouldn't buy more house than they can afford and it should always be within 10 minutes of home, life happens (2008-2009)
"Back in the day" (pre 2000s), kids playing waiting for parents to get home was the NORM! Thank G-d it still is here
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Post by workpublic on Jun 16, 2015 11:46:31 GMT -5
Sounds like a consequence of the village raising other people's children
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jun 16, 2015 11:50:43 GMT -5
Sounds like a consequence of the village idiots raising other people's children fixed.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jun 16, 2015 11:51:38 GMT -5
Although parents shouldn't buy more house than they can afford and it should always be within 10 minutes of home, life happens (2008-2009) "Back in the day" (pre 2000s), kids playing waiting for parents to get home was the NORM! Thank G-d it still is here what does that mean? That school should be within 10 mins of home... or work?
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Jun 16, 2015 12:05:45 GMT -5
As someone who has no children, I'm still all for neighbors watching out for neighbors - and neighbors' kids. I keep an eye out for the kids on my street. I draw the line at interference, unless someone is bleeding, screaming in pain, asks me to assist or I see something that looks really wrong (like a possible kidnapping). So far, their parents seem to be doing a very good job raising them all. There's one set of grandparents who watch their pre-school grandkids daily, and a few teens, but most are elementary school-age kids.
But I also watch for other things, like strange cars circling the block too many times (possibly casing the neighborhood for empty houses). I don't think the line in the sand is a fine one, in this case. It's pretty obvious that the neighbor was out of line.
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Post by Ombud on Jun 16, 2015 12:23:35 GMT -5
Although parents shouldn't buy more house than they can afford and it should always be within 10 minutes of home, life happens (2008-2009) "Back in the day" (pre 2000s), kids playing waiting for parents to get home was the NORM! Thank G-d it still is here what does that mean? That school should be within 10 mins of home... or work? That's what I keep hearing! It was 10 minutes by car to school, 1/2 hr if no traffic to work. Kids could & did walk home from school. GKs walk to my house from school as its the closest one. I was not there waiting for them (single mom, they were home by 3 & I was home by 5 or 6 depending on case load) neither is my DS or DIL. He works in SF & it's 1 hr commute. Her work is about an hour in the other direction. Guess that neighbor would call CPS on 1/2 the houses here
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2015 16:12:49 GMT -5
I walked home from school when I was age 5 onward. One time, not sure how old I was, maybe 7 or 8, I walked home in the rain, so I took my pants off to let dry and hung them over the heater. They caught fire, so I threw them in the bathtub. Some kids are too dumb to be left alone for long.
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Post by fatbear on Jun 16, 2015 17:27:04 GMT -5
Apparently, a neighbor did notice the kid alone and called the authorities. Gee, thanks neighbor, for getting the cops and CPS involved. Now the parents must defend themselves in court, they are mandated to attend family therapy and the kids have to go to a supervised camp. All because you stuck your snout where it did not belong. Maybe if you had come out of your damned house and asked the kid if everything was OK first. Or...oh, gee, I dunno....maybe offered to sit outside with him. But no....getting the authorities involved, when they could be dealing with real situations, is a much better option. What a jerk. And shame on the authorities as well, for letting this go as far as it has. I hope the courts laugh in the face of the cops and CPS and throw it out. And reimburse the parents for time and monies the parents are out defending themselves. What grounds do they have to sue to busy body if they were breaking the law?
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 16, 2015 17:28:27 GMT -5
And reimburse the parents for time and monies the parents are out defending themselves. What grounds do they have to sue to busy body if they were breaking the law? I don't believe I said to sue the busy body. Maybe someone else did.
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Post by mroped on Jun 16, 2015 17:53:50 GMT -5
The neighbor that called that in most likely doesn't even know their name or anything about them at all. He/she might be a complete stranger yet believes that has the right to affect people's lives in a negative way. Back home, everybody knew everybody and they were helping each other. When we were there 7 years ago one morning our daughter disappeared and some woman brought her back. Poor kid made the wrong turn and ended up at the other end of town. This woman seen her crying and not speaking a word in Romanian and she knew who's kid is so she just brought her back. Here people can't wait to stab you in the back sometimes. In our town, here, pretty much everybody knows me. Might be because I'm nosy like that and talk to everybody? But very few know my wife and she was born and raised in this town.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jun 16, 2015 19:25:11 GMT -5
I can't believe this really happened it's just so crazy! And why were the parent's strip searched? Where they looking for the babysitter? What a violation of one's rights!
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 16, 2015 19:27:47 GMT -5
I can't believe this really happened it's just so crazy! And why were the parent's strip searched? Where they looking for the babysitter? What a violation of one's rights! If they were strip searched, this is where they sue CPS and the state.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2015 23:59:39 GMT -5
Sounds like a consequence of the village raising other people's children No it is not. If the village was raising the kid, the neighbor would have come over to check on the kid and given him a snack. This was an annoyed, buttinski neighbor, calling in police when there was no danger or problem. However, for some reason FL CPS thinks 11 is too young to be outside for an hour and a half.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 17, 2015 7:35:17 GMT -5
Sounds like a consequence of the village raising other people's children No it is not. If the village was raising the kid, the neighbor would have come over to check on the kid and given him a snack. This was an annoyed, buttinski neighbor, calling in police when there was no danger or problem. However, for some reason FL CPS thinks 11 is too young to be outside for an hour and a half. I think that at the age of 11, I was taking city buses downtown by myself to Christmas shop. But then when I was 11, we didn't have the Internet nor 24-hour news warning our parents of the dangers to children out alone.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 17, 2015 8:32:59 GMT -5
My daughter was riding public transportation when she was 11. She was always with at least one other kid - up to 7 kids, but never alone and never with an adult. I think it was great for her.
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 17, 2015 10:14:37 GMT -5
Shit, my whole neighborhood would be in the pokey. Our kids were all free range.
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 17, 2015 10:35:14 GMT -5
Moved to 5th grade at my school. Still ages 10-11.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jun 17, 2015 10:43:21 GMT -5
Sounds like a consequence of the village raising other people's children No it is not. If the village was raising the kid, the neighbor would have come over to check on the kid and given him a snack. This was an annoyed, buttinski neighbor, calling in police when there was no danger or problem. However, for some reason FL CPS thinks 11 is too young to be outside for an hour and a half. with all the effed up things that go on in FL, CPS felt that this was something to waste their resources on?
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