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Post by tallguy on Apr 20, 2015 8:42:47 GMT -5
No problem. It appears blue in mine. I have had the issue before where embedded links do not show as a different color, so I go back and change it manually. Didn't think I needed to this time.
ETA: As a general rule, I use about half embedded links and half separate ones. If there is a good, specific opportunity (such as with the word "site" in #143 or "report" in #155) I will embed it. I arguably should have embedded the link within the word "This" which I shall endeavor to do more frequently as in retrospect it may have been clearer.
I wonder though, wouldn't it be cool if we had someone with the technical expertise and the enjoyment of playing around with things to try playing with the coding to ensure that links always show up as a different color? Hmmmm....
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 20, 2015 8:54:26 GMT -5
Ok, why should there not be a "White History month"? every month is white history month, bro.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 20, 2015 8:59:03 GMT -5
I honestly wondered a few times about it myself oldcoyote: when is white history month? really? you've wondered that?
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 20, 2015 9:04:12 GMT -5
Why does there have to be a History Month for any race?
What about the Chinese who were brought over & used to build railroads across the country? Why not a Chinese History Month?
Or better yet, an "American History Month"?
After all, except for the direct descendants of the original Native American tribes, everyone else is a descendant of an immigrant from another country. . 1) there doesn't have to be. this is not about "having" to have things. this is about being big enough to want them and accommodate them. 2) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Pacific_American_Heritage_Month3) every month is American history month 4) totally true. but my family arrived here prior to 1650. we never really struggled- we simply took.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 20, 2015 9:06:41 GMT -5
If you cannot trust Glenn Beck's The Blaze for the news, who can you trust: "In a plea for donations on GoFundMe, Boggess said he initially received support for his white history month sign, but things took a turn. “[T]he bottom dropped out and customers were no longer coming into my deli, and now I am forced to close down my Deli and lose my American dream,” he wrote. “I have become heavily in debt and getting shut off notices from everywhere for both business and home. I don’t think I deserve this just because I wanted to be proud of being white and be able to celebrate my heritage like everyone else does.” Critics immediately pounced, questioning whether the sign was really to blame, prompting Boggess to post an update. “Yes, you guys are right, the store wasn’t doing good before the sign was posted,” he wrote. “But it was doing good enough to keep the store open.”He said after the sign was posted, business dried up." New Jersey Deli Posts ‘White History Month’ Sign. A Month Later, Here’s How It’s Doing.he lost his business because he is a shitty businessman. period. shitty businessmen lose their businesses every day.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 20, 2015 9:11:57 GMT -5
Seriously?
Because EVERY month is White History Month. Do you not understand the concept of minority and majority?
In less than 30 years Caucasians will be the minority in this country...I have no problem with that. So, maybe he's thinking ahead...every minority deserves some sort of day or month to celebrate their heritage...seems fair to me. But we should all get over this race thing. I saw the most beautiful baby in the lobby of where I work, the other day: White dad, Asian mom. Let's mix it up. it is not just minority status that we are discussing here. it is minority status that was whitewashed by history. edit: in view of bills critique, i have temporarily deleted/suspended my point about Jefferson, pending review.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 20, 2015 9:16:08 GMT -5
There has to be more to the story. I find it hard to believe that a single sign that wasn't derogatory in any way did so much damage that it took a successful business down in one month. From my post, reply#21: "Critics immediately pounced, questioning whether the sign was really to blame, prompting Boggess to post an update. “Yes, you guys are right, the store wasn’t doing good before the sign was posted,” he wrote. “But it was doing good enough to keep the store open.”He said after the sign was posted, business dried up."" because, let's face it, who the hell wants to solicit from a store that basically says "we are racists".
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 20, 2015 9:17:24 GMT -5
It's not just slavery. Somebody posted a link to an article in the last couple days that talked about a county in Georgia that just had their first integrated prom last year. In 2013 and prior they were still having segregated white and black proms. In two thousand fucking thirteen! Let that sink in for a minute. I was born three decades ago and thought segregation was something you only read about in history classes because it died before I was born. Way to keep it backwards Georgia! A suburban county of ours in Mississippi had its first mixed race senior prom just three years ago. 'It has always been that way to have separate proms' they said. my dad was never really a progressive guy- but i will never forget his reaction when i told him i was dating a black girl. edit: to show you how incredibly ignorant i am about some things, it never occurred to me that he would have any problem with it.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 20, 2015 9:19:20 GMT -5
... ie: were you aware that Jefferson's dad was mulatto, and his mom was a Native American? Incredible recessive gene traits.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 20, 2015 9:20:15 GMT -5
It's not just slavery. Somebody posted a link to an article in the last couple days that talked about a county in Georgia that just had their first integrated prom last year. In 2013 and prior they were still having segregated white and black proms. In two thousand fucking thirteen! Let that sink in for a minute. I was born three decades ago and thought segregation was something you only read about in history classes because it died before I was born. Way to keep it backwards Georgia! It's 2015 and we're still segregating black history from white history, apparently. that's one way of viewing it. the other is that we are pulling out chairs for those that were written out of history.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 20, 2015 9:20:41 GMT -5
... ie: were you aware that Jefferson's dad was mulatto, and his mom was a Native American? Incredible recessive gene traits. look it up, if you don't believe me.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 20, 2015 9:24:43 GMT -5
Incredible recessive gene traits. look it up, if you don't believe me. I was intrigued the first of the dozens of times you posted it so I researched it then. It is total bullshit.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 20, 2015 9:24:47 GMT -5
I'm so sick of everyone playing the race card. yeah, we can tell. you are so sick of it that you see it being played where it is not being played.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 20, 2015 9:29:15 GMT -5
look it up, if you don't believe me. I was intrigued the first of the dozens of times you posted it so I researched it then. It is total bullshit. i posted it precisely TWICE before this. don't exaggerate. i thought my source was reliable, but i can see that his mom was born in England, so it appears to be false. i stand corrected. what did you find out about Jefferson's dad?
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 20, 2015 9:30:34 GMT -5
White History Month, would be kind of strange...we basically control everything, in one way or another. precisely. it is like a beauty queen writing a book about how pretty she is. obnoxious. so, maybe we could say that this guy was put out of business for being obnoxious.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 20, 2015 9:32:01 GMT -5
You and others are repeat this like a mantra, but what is it based on? History is history. When I learned about Watt inventing the steam engine, Edison inventing the incandescent lightbulb, Alexander the Great conquering the Medes, the last thing on my mind was a "white man" inventing the steam engine, a "white man" inventing the lightbulb, a "white man" conquering the Medes. The lessons were about what happened. How great inventions, rulers, empires, ideas, etc. shaped the history of western nations, not how "white men" shaped history. Am I somehow more connected to all these historical events because I'm white? Should a black student of history despair that Eurasian ancestry was integral to accomplishing them? You can't introduce "Black History Month" without reinforcing the message "blacks did these things; whites did everything else". Race should become relevant only when discussing the conflicts between races. Issues such as slavery in the US, the Underground Railroad, the US Civil War, the civil rights movement, etc. can't ignore race, for example. Insofar as I know, these topics feature prominently in US history classes for precisely this reason. Outside of race-on-race conflicts, what makes the nascent democracies of old Europe "white history", or the Industrial Revolution "white history", or the French rebellion against the aristocracy "white history" besides our forcing students to view it through that lens by segregating it from "black history"? Why are the histories of all these things not simply "history"? I say history is only "effectively White History" in your mind and the minds of those who choose to segregate history into 'black' and 'white'. If your goal is to inspire black kids to emulate great men/women, or to help them feel like a more integral part of society, you're not doing them any favours. you are so naiive that it is almost sweet. almost.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 20, 2015 9:35:14 GMT -5
Angel, I thought that this was very honest discussion, several had comments, I would like to see more comments from TheHaitian and Pink Cashmere. No where did I see hate or much anger That is until I read your post. didn't read any anger in that post. just frustration.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 20, 2015 9:38:24 GMT -5
Just curious. Has there been a whitewash of historical accomplishments by persons of those nationalities? And while it may be perfectly appropriate to emphasize the accomplishments of those nationalities, is there the same "need" to combat prejudicial attitudes and misinformation? It's the exclusionary tactic employed by the pushers of "Black History Month". Look to THESE people as people to emulate... ignore anyone else. How about, instead people look for good people to emulate. Not "good Black people" or "good White people" or "good Asian people" or "good {any other skin color} people"... just plain old simple "good people" with no unnecessary limiter getting in the way of the "good" and the "people". i disagree that it is "ignore everyone else". it is more like "here is dessert", or if you prefer an academic analogy, an elective. they have already taken the core classes. they know OUR history. they don't really know their own, because, frankly, it is just not taught. i am sure you know who Howard Zinn is. Howard Zinn spent a lifetime talking about this issue.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 20, 2015 9:41:17 GMT -5
So, when are we going to have a woman's history month? We were chattel once, too. Could not own property, could be beaten, would lose our children if we were divorced. We belonged to our fathers, then our husbands, and sometimes then to our oldest son. This went on for centuries. Men could cheat, keep mistresses, women would be killed if they dared to and were caught. Some women succeeded in spite of it but still, black men got the vote WAY before any woman did. Men "gave" women the vote after subjecting them to brutal attacks and harassment too. Where's our justice or compensation? womenshistorymonth.gov/
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 20, 2015 9:43:46 GMT -5
Really? Never heard of it. It certainly isn't broadcast and celebrated. I'm aware of how women were abused in trying to get the vote. Fact is, men finally gave it to them since they couldn't vote to get it themselves. Btw, I forgot to mention dowry given with brides, so basically selling them to their husbands. indeed. women were property prior to the 20th century. it is apparently the model that many religious conservatives would like us to return to.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 20, 2015 9:46:08 GMT -5
@pinkcshmere: In a world where kids are bombarded with the message that black kids are black and white kids are white, black kids are one way and white kids are another, why are we set on teaching history in a way that conforms to this stark segregation? you don't have the foggiest idea of what Black History teaches, do you?
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 20, 2015 9:49:16 GMT -5
I have only just read this thread and maybe I'm wrong, not having grown up in this country, but from where I sit BHM is important for people of all races. It is not just about "I should be proud of my black heritage" but it is also "we should not dismiss people because their ancestors are from Africa". People of any heritage have "produced" great minds, humanitarians, artists, etc. And all white kids need to learn that too, especially those that live in an environment that wants to dismiss the accomplishments of those that do not look like them. So long story short: this thread has proven, if nothing else, that yes we do still need a BHM for the good of all of us. The day we don't have discussions like this anymore may be the day we can do away with BHM. straight up. it is probably MORE important for whites than blacks, candidly- because at least SOME blacks have learned the history of black America. most white folks are pretty much ignorant of it. no offense to those who know who Paul Robeson and Frederick Douglass are.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 20, 2015 9:52:12 GMT -5
I was intrigued the first of the dozens of times you posted it so I researched it then. It is total bullshit. i posted it precisely TWICE before this. don't exaggerate. i thought my source was reliable, but i can see that his mom was born in England, so it appears to be false. i stand corrected. what did you find out about Jefferson's dad? I will leave it for you to report on.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 20, 2015 9:54:18 GMT -5
I had no doubt even before your post, and am not at all surprised, that your experience growing up was different. Trust these other posters that their experience was not like yours. I may be wrong, but I have never known Canada to have the same types of black/white issues as the U.S., and particularly the southern U.S. Between different other cultures, perhaps, but even then not to anywhere near the same degree. Even I have never experienced or seen in real life what I have read about or seen on the news or in documentaries. That does not negate any of it. It did happen, it continues to happen, and it will continue to happen for a long time.
With regard to the bolded portion specifically, I would counter that many of us are not at all interested in fanning the flames, but in extinguishing them instead. BHM is not separatist no matter how you personally choose to look at it, and an insistence otherwise does more to keep the issue alive than BHM itself.
I know you want to extinguish them. I'm suggesting that one of the reasons racism has always and will always be a problem in the US is because your methods of combating it stink. Old-fashioned racism isn't the half of the problem. I'll say the same thing about Canada's national handling of aboriginals. Our methods of combating racism against aboriginals are an utter failure. They've been a failure for nearly 100 years, and it's definitely not for lack of trying. what IS the "half of the problem", iyo?
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 20, 2015 9:54:56 GMT -5
i posted it precisely TWICE before this. don't exaggerate. i thought my source was reliable, but i can see that his mom was born in England, so it appears to be false. i stand corrected. what did you find out about Jefferson's dad? I will leave it for you to report on. i couldn't find any information on it, so i would rather rely on your "research". please provide links. tyia.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 20, 2015 9:58:08 GMT -5
In reading this thread, I don't know if some of you are being deliberately obtuse or you are just really that dumb that you don't understand the difference having a "segregated" month for one group and the actual intention behind BHM. i have yet to see this criticism effectively rebutted.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Apr 20, 2015 9:58:45 GMT -5
In reading this thread, I don't know if some of you are being deliberately obtuse or you are just really that dumb that you don't understand the difference having a "segregated" month for one group and the actual intention behind BHM. I have no doubt there are good intentions behind BHM, and that it realizes some success in achieving its goals. I worry that unintended consequences are along for the ride. In particular, the last thing the US needs is anything more to promote tribal mentalities. so a little of column A and a little of column B... got it.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 20, 2015 10:02:17 GMT -5
I will leave it for you to report on. i couldn't find any information on it, so i would rather rely on your "research". please provide links. tyia. You just now figured out his mom wasn't Native American after posting it as fact multiple times and you put my research in quotation marks? Fucking hilarious, bro
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 20, 2015 10:12:21 GMT -5
i couldn't find any information on it, so i would rather rely on your "research". please provide links. tyia. You just now figured out his mom wasn't Native American after posting it as fact multiple times and you put my research in quotation marks? multiple times = 3, including today. but at least you came down from your earlier claim of "DOZENS OF TIMES" = at least 24. well done. you at least have the order of magnitude right now. Fucking hilarious, bro dude. i make mistakes, too. i correct them. you CLAIMED you researched it, and i was simply asking for YOUR research, if you actually did it. if you didn't, that's fine. i will research it. the original claim seemed plausible to me. edit: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_heritage_of_United_States_presidents"unverified". therefore, i consider it heresay, brought to us by none other than John Adams. makes me think even less of him. i regret presenting heresay as fact, but there is nothing to be done about it, other than to acknowledge it and move on. for the record, i am deeply familiar with Jefferson himself, so i know what history says he looks like, just like i know what history SAYS JESUS LOOKS LIKE. i have every reason to suspect that neither are terribly accurate.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 20, 2015 11:00:08 GMT -5
You just now figured out his mom wasn't Native American after posting it as fact multiple times and you put my research in quotation marks? multiple times = 3, including today. but at least you came down from your earlier claim of "DOZENS OF TIMES" = at least 24. well done. you at least have the order of magnitude right now. Fucking hilarious, bro dude. i make mistakes, too. i correct them. you CLAIMED you researched it, and i was simply asking for YOUR research, if you actually did it. ... Back to the basics, dj, remember the first rule of holes.
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