SHOUT OUT TO MEGYN KELLY!

[djAdvocate]

has more balls than the entire "liberal media" combined (Jon Stewart, Steven Colbert, and Rachel Maddow excepted):



relevance to other discussions: high.

Cheney's stammering reply is awesomely awful and on-script.  blame Pelosi.  blame the intelligence.  blame everyone other than me.

what a leader!  what courage!

what an amoral, utterly irresponsible dirt sack.

[djAdvocate]

he is factually wrong on several accounts, by the way.  there were not only quite a few skeptics about the wisdom of the war, but the sanctity of the intelligence, including many within the CIA.  he is either totally lying, or utterly deluded.

it really doesn't matter which, at this point.  he has had 12 years to fix it.

to err is human
to repent, divine
to persist, devilish.

pleased to meet you.  hope you guessed my name.

[happyhoix]

He reminds me of Mr Burns on the Simpsons, only that would be insulting Mr. Burns.

I heard an interesting comment from a talking head the other day - that Cheney hated GW. Does anyone on the board know if that was true, or just something stupid a talking head said?

[EVT1]

He shoots his friends in the face- so no telling.

[whoisjohngalt]

Jun 24, 2014 15:49:03 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

He reminds me of Mr Burns on the Simpsons, only that would be insulting Mr. Burns.

I heard an interesting comment from a talking head the other day - that Cheney hated GW. Does anyone on the board know if that was true, or just something stupid a talking head said?

I don't know anything about that, but he (Cheney) always had the look of hating everyone.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 24, 2014 15:49:03 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

He reminds me of Mr Burns on the Simpsons, only that would be insulting Mr. Burns.

I heard an interesting comment from a talking head the other day - that Cheney hated GW. Does anyone on the board know if that was true, or just something stupid a talking head said?

they had a falling out in his second term.  even Bush knew he was totally wrong.  and he felt that Cheney had misled him.  he had.

[djAdvocate]

this is the second time Megyn Kelly has impressed me in less than a year.  there is hope for FOX, yet.

[mmhmm]

For more about the Bush/Cheney relationship, THIS is an interesting read, I think.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 24, 2014 18:13:42 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

For more about the Bush/Cheney relationship, THIS is an interesting read, I think.

on my darker, more cynical days, i think Bush was the worst president in history.  but the rest of the time, i just think he was the worst since Harding.  and Cheney has a lot to do with that.

rarely has a vice president been so wrong, about so much, at the expense of so many.

[mmhmm]

I couldn't agree more, djAdvocate. I loathed the man and still do. He literally makes my skin crawl.

[Tennesseer]

Not Worth It: Huge Majority Regret Iraq War, Exclusive Poll Shows

BY CARRIE DANN

A divided nation finally agrees on something overwhelmingly: the war in Iraq was simply not worth fighting.

Seventy-one percent of Americans now say that the war in Iraq “wasn’t worth it,” a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal/Annenberg poll shows, with skepticism about the lengthy war effort up substantially even in the last 18 months.

Just 22 percent now believe the 2003 war effort was worthwhile.

Not Worth It: Huge Majority Regret Iraq War, Exclusive Poll Shows

[jkapp]

Jun 24, 2014 14:25:20 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

he is factually wrong on several accounts, by the way.  there were not only quite a few skeptics about the wisdom of the war, but the sanctity of the intelligence, including many within the CIA.  he is either totally lying, or utterly deluded.

it really doesn't matter which, at this point.  he has had 12 years to fix it.

to err is human
to repent, divine
to persist, devilish.

pleased to meet you.  hope you guessed my name.

too bad democrats avoid Fox like the plague, or else maybe we could actually get some tough questions tossed their way...

And why do you exempt Jon Stewart, Steven Colbert, and Rachel Maddow?  They suck up to the politicians when they are on their shows just like they do with all the celebrities they have on....the only "tough talk" they give is when they aren't talking to a guest.  Frankly they're a bunch of liberal pussies who talk tough at the camera but then swoon when face-to-face with the guest (unless its someone they don't like, of course).  The last time I saw Obama on Stewart, you couldn't pry his lips off Obama's ass with a crowbar

[EVT1]

Jun 24, 2014 18:12:45 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

this is the second time Megyn Kelly has impressed me in less than a year.  there is hope for FOX, yet.

Almost sounded like a real reporter- remember those people from back in the day? 

Cheney is pretty much a war criminal- there are thousands of young men that gave their lives because of his bullshit, that will never have a life because they were killed, while his old angry ass is going to live to 100 because someone decided to give a heartless POS a young heart that could have gone to someone worthy of it. Maybe some kid he sent to get shot up. Can't blame Fox even- nobody in their right mind wants his bullshit.  Maybe Hannity or Rush will back him up    As vile and disgusting as those two are I  think they both will let it go.  Even after attacking our rescued soldier as the assholes they are.

[EVT1]

Yes Ma'am

[b2r]

      

[Value Buy]

Jun 24, 2014 20:09:39 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Not Worth It: Huge Majority Regret Iraq War, Exclusive Poll Shows

BY CARRIE DANN

A divided nation finally agrees on something overwhelmingly: the war in Iraq was simply not worth fighting.

Seventy-one percent of Americans now say that the war in Iraq “wasn’t worth it,” a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal/Annenberg poll shows, with skepticism about the lengthy war effort up substantially even in the last 18 months.

Just 22 percent now believe the 2003 war effort was worthwhile.

Not Worth It: Huge Majority Regret Iraq War, Exclusive Poll Shows

I wonder what makes it an "Exclusive Poll"?

Outside of

the Revolution

War of 1812

The Civil War

WWI

WWII

I imagine most Americans would feel all other conflicts and wars we were involved in were not worth it.

Not sure if there ever was a poll for the Spanish American war, so did not include that one.

Wars in most people's minds, are not worth it.

Unless you live in the Middle East.

[Value Buy]

I wonder how this thread would have evolved if Atlantic Coast Paul had started this.

I imagine his source of Fox News would have been denounced here.

Thanks DJ

[djAdvocate]

Jun 24, 2014 21:12:30 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Jun 24, 2014 14:25:20 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

he is factually wrong on several accounts, by the way.  there were not only quite a few skeptics about the wisdom of the war, but the sanctity of the intelligence, including many within the CIA.  he is either totally lying, or utterly deluded.

it really doesn't matter which, at this point.  he has had 12 years to fix it.

to err is human
to repent, divine
to persist, devilish.

pleased to meet you.  hope you guessed my name.

too bad democrats avoid Fox like the plague, or else maybe we could actually get some tough questions tossed their way...

i watch enough FOX to know that Democrats are regular visitors on the channel.  i have seen Obama himself interviewed by O'Reilly at least twice, for example.  how many times did Bush get interviewed in CNN?  never?  i think never.

And why do you exempt Jon Stewart, Steven Colbert, and Rachel Maddow?  

i thought i made that clear: they ask tough questions of people that make serious mistakes.  was that not clear?  my apologies.

They suck up to the politicians when they are on their shows just like they do with all the celebrities they have on....the only "tough talk" they give is when they aren't talking to a guest.  Frankly they're a bunch of liberal pussies who talk tough at the camera but then swoon when face-to-face with the guest (unless its someone they don't like, of course).  The last time I saw Obama on Stewart, you couldn't pry his lips off Obama's ass with a crowbar

the last time i saw Obama on FOX, O'Reilly never actually let him answer a question without interrupting him.  which is worse?

[djAdvocate]

Jun 24, 2014 22:10:32 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I wonder how this thread would have evolved if Atlantic Coast Paul had started this.

I imagine his source of Fox News would have been denounced here.

Thanks DJ

here is how i figure it:

if credit is never given where it is due, how will things EVER change, VB?

[djAdvocate]

Jun 24, 2014 20:09:39 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Not Worth It: Huge Majority Regret Iraq War, Exclusive Poll Shows

BY CARRIE DANN

A divided nation finally agrees on something overwhelmingly: the war in Iraq was simply not worth fighting.

Seventy-one percent of Americans now say that the war in Iraq “wasn’t worth it,” a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal/Annenberg poll shows, with skepticism about the lengthy war effort up substantially even in the last 18 months.

Just 22 percent now believe the 2003 war effort was worthwhile.

Not Worth It: Huge Majority Regret Iraq War, Exclusive Poll Shows

this poll is nearly a year old. 

here is some more recent data: www.gallup.com/poll/1633/iraq.aspx

between 53 and 63 percent have believed the war was a mistake since October of 2006.  it has been remarkably consistent, but it is not really increasing/getting worse.  it is 57% as of this Feb.

[b2r]

Jun 25, 2014 0:17:58 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jun 24, 2014 20:09:39 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Not Worth It: Huge Majority Regret Iraq War, Exclusive Poll Shows

BY CARRIE DANN

A divided nation finally agrees on something overwhelmingly: the war in Iraq was simply not worth fighting.

Seventy-one percent of Americans now say that the war in Iraq “wasn’t worth it,” a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal/Annenberg poll shows, with skepticism about the lengthy war effort up substantially even in the last 18 months.

Just 22 percent now believe the 2003 war effort was worthwhile.

Not Worth It: Huge Majority Regret Iraq War, Exclusive Poll Shows

this poll is nearly a year old. 

here is some more recent data: www.gallup.com/poll/1633/iraq.aspx

between 53 and 63 percent have believed the war was a mistake since October of 2006.  it has been remarkably consistent, but it is not really increasing/getting worse.  it is 57% as of this Feb.

      

[Tennesseer]

Jun 25, 2014 0:17:58 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jun 24, 2014 20:09:39 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Not Worth It: Huge Majority Regret Iraq War, Exclusive Poll Shows

BY CARRIE DANN

A divided nation finally agrees on something overwhelmingly: the war in Iraq was simply not worth fighting.

Seventy-one percent of Americans now say that the war in Iraq “wasn’t worth it,” a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal/Annenberg poll shows, with skepticism about the lengthy war effort up substantially even in the last 18 months.

Just 22 percent now believe the 2003 war effort was worthwhile.

Not Worth It: Huge Majority Regret Iraq War, Exclusive Poll Shows

this poll is nearly a year old. 

here is some more recent data: www.gallup.com/poll/1633/iraq.aspx

between 53 and 63 percent have believed the war was a mistake since October of 2006.  it has been remarkably consistent, but it is not really increasing/getting worse.  it is 57% as of this Feb.

DJ-did you mean the article and poll were nearly a week old?  The poll was conducted June 16-22 of this month, 3 to 9 days ago,  according to the linked article.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jun 24, 2014 14:23:22 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

has more balls than the entire "liberal media" combined (Jon Stewart, Steven Colbert, and Rachel Maddow excepted):



relevance to other discussions: high.

Cheney's stammering reply is awesomely awful and on-script.  blame Pelosi.  blame the intelligence.  blame everyone other than me.

what a leader!  what courage!

what an amoral, utterly irresponsible dirt sack.

I agreed with going in and disarming and deposing Saddam Hussein.  I believe leaving him in place was not a viable option in the wake of 9/11.  The world is better off without him.  If nothing else, his bounty of $25,000 per family of suicide bombers in Israel dried up and those attacks stopped almost immediately after we attacked Iraq.

Where they lost my support was in the nation-building goal of a "stable, democratic Iraq".  I don't give a shit how they govern themselves.  

Our foreign policy should be simple: do not fuck with us.

Not, well, you know-- if we can just make everyone else just like us, then we'll all get along and the world will be peaceful.  I believe that was Hitler's goal?

[djAdvocate]

Jun 25, 2014 9:11:25 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jun 25, 2014 0:17:58 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

this poll is nearly a year old. 

here is some more recent data: www.gallup.com/poll/1633/iraq.aspx

between 53 and 63 percent have believed the war was a mistake since October of 2006.  it has been remarkably consistent, but it is not really increasing/getting worse.  it is 57% as of this Feb.

DJ-did you mean the article and poll were nearly a week old?  The poll was conducted June 16-22 of this month, 3 to 9 days ago,  according to the linked article.

aw crap.  this is the date i saw in the article: January 2013 NBC/Wall Street Journal, and then the footer did not show the YEAR.  so i thought it was from 2013.  point retracted.

[happyhoix]

Jun 24, 2014 18:13:42 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

For more about the Bush/Cheney relationship, THIS is an interesting read, I think.

Hmmm, so Cheney wanted a pardon for his toady Libby, and Bush, for once, refused to be Cheney's puppet.

Interesting.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 25, 2014 14:57:53 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jun 24, 2014 18:13:42 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

For more about the Bush/Cheney relationship, THIS is an interesting read, I think.

Hmmm, so Cheney wanted a pardon for his toady Libby, and Bush, for once, refused to be Cheney's puppet.

Interesting.

they had a much chillier relationship in his second term.  which is why i kinda felt NEUTRAL about Bush during the second term.  if his entire term was like his second, he would probably be Carter level bad rather than Harding.

[happyhoix]

Jun 24, 2014 22:08:01 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Jun 24, 2014 20:09:39 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Not Worth It: Huge Majority Regret Iraq War, Exclusive Poll Shows

BY CARRIE DANN

A divided nation finally agrees on something overwhelmingly: the war in Iraq was simply not worth fighting.

Seventy-one percent of Americans now say that the war in Iraq “wasn’t worth it,” a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal/Annenberg poll shows, with skepticism about the lengthy war effort up substantially even in the last 18 months.

Just 22 percent now believe the 2003 war effort was worthwhile.

Not Worth It: Huge Majority Regret Iraq War, Exclusive Poll Shows

I wonder what makes it an "Exclusive Poll"?

Outside of

the Revolution

War of 1812

The Civil War

WWI

WWII

I imagine most Americans would feel all other conflicts and wars we were involved in were not worth it.

Not sure if there ever was a poll for the Spanish American war, so did not include that one.

Wars in most people's minds, are not worth it.

Unless you live in the Middle East.

Well the Civil War cost about 1000 million dollars and liberated the slaves, WWII cost 296 billion dollars and liberated Europe, and the Iraq war cost about 1.1 trillion dollars and did what? Kill a tin plated dictator who, by the way, had no weapons of mass destruction? Or was it because we were exporting democracy to the Middle East - only looks like that didn't really 'take', did it, given current events?

I can't think of anything, anything at all we gained by killing Sadam. Iraq is not a safer place, or a better US ally, because he's dead. So that's 1.1 trillion down the hole for squat.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 25, 2014 15:06:30 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jun 24, 2014 22:08:01 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I wonder what makes it an "Exclusive Poll"?

Outside of

the Revolution

War of 1812

The Civil War

WWI

WWII

I imagine most Americans would feel all other conflicts and wars we were involved in were not worth it.

Not sure if there ever was a poll for the Spanish American war, so did not include that one.

Wars in most people's minds, are not worth it.

Unless you live in the Middle East.

Well the Civil War cost about 1000 million dollars and liberated the slaves, WWII cost 296 billion dollars and liberated Europe, and the Iraq war cost about 1.1 trillion dollars and did what? Kill a tin plated dictator who, by the way, had no weapons of mass destruction? Or was it because we were exporting democracy to the Middle East - only looks like that didn't really 'take', did it, given current events?

I can't think of anything, anything at all we gained by killing Sadam. Iraq is not a safer place, or a better US ally, because he's dead. So that's 1.1 trillion down the hole for squat.

if killing Saddam was the entire purpose of the war, we could have done it for a fraction of the cost.

[happyhoix]

Jun 24, 2014 21:12:30 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Jun 24, 2014 14:25:20 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

he is factually wrong on several accounts, by the way.  there were not only quite a few skeptics about the wisdom of the war, but the sanctity of the intelligence, including many within the CIA.  he is either totally lying, or utterly deluded.

it really doesn't matter which, at this point.  he has had 12 years to fix it.

to err is human
to repent, divine
to persist, devilish.

pleased to meet you.  hope you guessed my name.

too bad democrats avoid Fox like the plague, or else maybe we could actually get some tough questions tossed their way...

And why do you exempt Jon Stewart, Steven Colbert, and Rachel Maddow?  They suck up to the politicians when they are on their shows just like they do with all the celebrities they have on....the only "tough talk" they give is when they aren't talking to a guest.  Frankly they're a bunch of liberal pussies who talk tough at the camera but then swoon when face-to-face with the guest (unless its someone they don't like, of course).  The last time I saw Obama on Stewart, you couldn't pry his lips off Obama's ass with a crowbar

Well, I rarely watch Rachel Maddow, and I don't recall Colbert really having a lot of political guests on his show. However I've seen Stuart rip into some political people pretty good, both republican and dems. He does not seem to mind putting his guests into some awkward corners, although he usually ends up making a statement along the lines of 'but what do I know, I'm only a stupid entertainer' to try to soften it.

[truthbound]

Jun 24, 2014 21:34:43 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Yes Ma'am

That was a long time ago. She's getting a bit long in the tooth now. But she was rocking a cool hairstyle last night.