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Post by The Captain on May 29, 2014 13:01:15 GMT -5
I didn't want to hijack swasat's thread so decided to start my own. DD is 11 and hitting puberty. She's also consuming more calories then I thought possible. I have never/don't want to ever tried to be the food police or restrict her calories. Girls have too much crap to deal with self image in this country and momma don't need to be adding to that. However...she is getting a little pudgy. Until now she has always be almost perfectly matched in the height to weight percentiles. She's between kids's clothes (mostly because of waist size) and juniors (don't get me started on the styles ). I fought with weight my whole life, had parents who tried to be my food police, and have to take steroids since my teen years to control asthma so weight will always be an issue with me. I would like to do everything in my power to make sure DD doesn't have to go through the same thing. We don't keep chips, sugary soda, or really a lot of junk in the house. Snacks are a lot of apples, cheese sticks, strawberries (or what fruit is in season), hard boiled eggs and milk, lots of milk. She loves milk and can easily polish off a half gallon a day. Not a typo. This past weekend when we were doing yard work she had a bowl of cereal (about two cups) with milk for breakfast. Snack was s large apple and a glass of milk. Lunch was a banana, hard boiled egg, piece of string cheese, and a glass of milk. Next snack - another glass of milk. Dinner was grill planked salmon, broccoli, and mashed taters with a glass of fruit juice. Dessert - Milk and a piece of bakhlava (sp). I don't want to restrict the milk or other calories, but think I may have to start. Thoughts? Also, any suggestions as to where I can find modest girls clothes in junior small that actually, yanno, provides coverage?
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Post by zibazinski on May 29, 2014 13:09:00 GMT -5
Cheese is fattening. Go to no or low fat milk. Make sure none of those cereals are sugary. I'd do a small baked potato as opposed to unlimited mashed w gravy. Cool it with desserts that aren't fruit or sugar free jello.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on May 29, 2014 13:10:15 GMT -5
The pudgy thing is normal. Encourage healthy eating and physical activity, and help her find clothes that complement her as much as possible. She will probably shoot up a few inches here and fill out some curves once puberty comes along.
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Post by The Captain on May 29, 2014 13:10:32 GMT -5
I wouldn't worry quite yet. If your description of what she ate over the weekend is a typical menu for her. I would just keep on with what you're serving. Remember most girls go through a pudgy stage at the onset of puberty. Look around to her friends and you'll probably notice the same thing. It's normal and just like boys this precedes a growth spurt. She's an only child so I didn't know about the pudgy stage before puberty thing, thanks for letting me know. Most of her friends are friggin reeds... I have noticed an increase in appetite before growth spurts, this is the first time she's put on a little too much though. Yes, what she had is pretty typical except for the lunch thing which is typically a sandwich and applesauce cup for school and sports camp. Sometimes she has an extra juice pouch or two but only if it's really hot. We drink a lot of G2 and crystal lights when it gets hot.
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Post by justme on May 29, 2014 13:11:46 GMT -5
Ask her to drink a glass of water before she snacks like was mentioned in the other thread?
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Post by zibazinski on May 29, 2014 13:11:56 GMT -5
Also, go to wraps instead of bread. White bread is just nasty anyway but there are better healthier alternatives.
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Post by zibazinski on May 29, 2014 13:13:21 GMT -5
She should be drinking a lot of water. I drink a gallon a day at least. I eat better and healthier and smaller portions.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 29, 2014 13:13:28 GMT -5
Cheese is fattening. Go to no or low fat milk. Make sure none of those cereals are sugary. I'd do a small baked potato as opposed to unlimited mashed w gravy. Cool it with desserts that aren't fruit or sugar free jello. Cheese is more filling than other things. Full fat milk is more satiating than skim or low fat milk for the slight increase in calories (~50). Sometimes, trying to make things lower calorie back fires because you wind up eating more to compensate for the lack of feeling satiated.
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Post by zibazinski on May 29, 2014 13:13:55 GMT -5
Watch her iron, too. Both my kids had anemia issues.
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Post by The Captain on May 29, 2014 13:14:28 GMT -5
They drink 1% milk and the cheese strings are low fat. I could have her cut back on those..
zibazinski - the sugar free jello for dessert is a good idea! We don't each cereals that are really sugary (mostly chex, oat squares, and life).
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Post by zibazinski on May 29, 2014 13:15:06 GMT -5
Also, make sure she doesn't eat fast.
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Post by The Captain on May 29, 2014 13:15:58 GMT -5
Ask her to drink a glass of water before she snacks like was mentioned in the other thread? That was me that mentioned it. She hates water, that is one battle I'm currently fighting with her on. Our well water wasn't the greatest and she claimed she could taste the plastic in the bottled water. In the new house we will be on city water so she won't have that excuse.
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Post by zibazinski on May 29, 2014 13:17:17 GMT -5
Add stuff to it. I drink more because I add MIO.
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Post by The Captain on May 29, 2014 13:17:19 GMT -5
We all eat the brownberry high fiber wheat bread. It's all she's ever known so no arguments there.
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Post by Tiny on May 29, 2014 13:17:57 GMT -5
Maybe it's more a issue of 'portions'. 2 cups of cereal is at best 2 portions at worse 4 portions depending on the cereal. Maybe you need to pre-emptively read the cereal box and then measure the 'portion' AND measure the milk as well. I don't have 'emotional issues' with milk - it's a protien and source of calcium and vitamin D in my world - I try to get 3 servings a day. Your list of food for the day has 5 helpings of "calcium" or milk products - I'm going with helpings because a serving of milk is 8ounces - and I suspect each glass is more than 8 ounces. I'm not sure what the recommended amount is for teens. Maybe you can switch to 2% milk - again not sure what the recommendations are for teens? Maybe the only 'healthy' change you need to make is to meaasure the amounts you all are consuming into appropriate sized servings. That would certainly help your daughter through out her lifetime - knowing what appropriate amounts of food look like... FWIW: when I started paying attention to servings - I ONLY had 20 ounce glasses and 3 cup "cereal" bowls. My 1 cup serving of Cheerios looked really sad and sorrowful in that 3 cup bowl. and my 8 ounce serving of milk looked dissappointing and unsatisfying in a 20 ounce glass. I swapped alot of my modern dishes for 1940's/1950's era dishware.
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Post by The Captain on May 29, 2014 13:19:37 GMT -5
The pudgy thing is normal. Encourage healthy eating and physical activity, and help her find clothes that complement her as much as possible. She will probably shoot up a few inches here and fill out some curves once puberty comes along. *Crap* then she'll be taller then me ... (dh is 6'4", I will HATE being the shortest person in the house)
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Post by zibazinski on May 29, 2014 13:19:42 GMT -5
Great idea! Use smaller bowls, plates, and glasses. Don't let her fill up her bowl, plate, or glass. You do it.
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Post by swasat on May 29, 2014 13:21:28 GMT -5
Oooohhhh good thread! I have a 6yo DD too, who hates eating. Ask me again in 5 years
I should bookmark this thread and keep it for future reference.
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Post by steph08 on May 29, 2014 13:22:02 GMT -5
Just because I am full-on tracking carbs now because of gestational diabetes - my thought is she is getting a lot of carbs each day.
This past weekend when we were doing yard work she had a bowl of cereal (about two cups) with milk for breakfast. Snack was s large apple and a glass of milk. Lunch was a banana, hard boiled egg, piece of string cheese, and a glass of milk. Next snack - another glass of milk. Dinner was grill planked salmon, broccoli, and mashed taters with a glass of fruit juice. Dessert - Milk and a piece of bakhlava (sp).
Cereal - you're looking at 70g for two cups, at least, depending on the cereal. Milk - 5 cups (if you're using tall glasses - this could actually be 10 cups/servings of milk) - you're looking at 60g up to 120g Apple - 20g Banana - 27g Potatoes - 25g Fruit juice - 26g if this is just one cup, 52g if this is two cups
I would have her eat a more filling breakfast - eggs, turkey bacon, etc. Cereal is carbs/sugar and is not going to keep her full at all.
Or try to add more meat/protein to each meal besides just getting protein from milk.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on May 29, 2014 13:22:05 GMT -5
Honestly I would stay away from artificial sweetners as much as possible for a kid. Sugar-free jello and Crystal Light would freak me out. I would rather kids learn to moderate their intake of real sweets than try to overload on the fake ones. That's just my weird hangup though. I also prefer full-fat dairy to skim because I think the fats are good for us and we are satisfied with less, like Mich pointed out earlier.
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Post by The Captain on May 29, 2014 13:24:13 GMT -5
Maybe it's more a issue of 'portions'. 2 cups of cereal is at best 2 portions at worse 4 portions depending on the cereal. Maybe you need to pre-emptively read the cereal box and then measure the 'portion' AND measure the milk as well. I don't have 'emotional issues' with milk - it's a protien and source of calcium and vitamin D in my world - I try to get 3 servings a day. You're list of food for the day has 5 helpings of "calcium" or milk products - I'm going with helpings because a serving of milk is 8ounces - and I suspect each glass is more than 8 ounces. I'm not sure what the recommended amount is for teens. Maybe you can switch to 2% milk - again not sure what the recommendations are for teens? Maybe the only 'healthy' change you need to make is to meaasure the amounts you all are consuming into appropriate sized servings. That would certainly help your daughter through out her lifetime - knowing what appropriate amounts of food look like... FWIW: when I started paying attention to servings - I ONLY had 20 ounce glasses and 3 cup "cereal" bowls. My 1 cup serving of Cheerios looked really sad and sorrowful in that 3 cup bowl. and my 8 ounce serving of milk looked dissappointing and unsatisfying in a 20 ounce glass. I swapped alot of my modern dishes for 1940's/1950's era dishware. All very good points. DH and I (him more successfully then me) do try to watch our weight and routinely measure and weigh out portions. The two cups is really two measuring cups and likely 2.5 servings of cereal. Since we're supposed to get about 11 or so a day of cereals grains etc I think that's about right for a kid. When we cook we measure out serving sizes (the salmon were 6oz precooked each portion). I don't limit veggies but always make sure there is at least two servings worth on a plate (so 1.5C cooked). I'm sure they would both LOVE to go to the 2% milk. Maybe I'll give that a try...
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Post by Tiny on May 29, 2014 13:24:38 GMT -5
Also, go to wraps instead of bread. White bread is just nasty anyway but there are better healthier alternatives. You can't generalize that 'wraps' are 'healthy' or 'lower calorie' or 'more filling' - you can add more calories and chemicals depending on the tortilla you choose to use. In general wraps at fast food places aren't 'lower in calories' or much better for you than the other fare offered. Also you want to be using the 6 inch tortillas for your wrap and NOT the 8 or 10 or 12 inch ones. Portion distortion is at work here. Maybe a better choice in the 'bread category' would be to try to find something that's got more than 1 gram of fiber and 2 grams or less of fat... There was a big hoopla from the "healthly" eaters at the Company Cafe - the Cafe started posting calorie counts and low and behold the highest calorie 'bread' was the tortilla wrap and the highest calorie sandwich was the 'Chicken Wrap'. 800 calories versus 3 other sandwiches (on more traditional buns/breads) that clocked in between 500-650 calories.
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Post by justme on May 29, 2014 13:26:14 GMT -5
Ask her to drink a glass of water before she snacks like was mentioned in the other thread? That was me that mentioned it. She hates water, that is one battle I'm currently fighting with her on. Our well water wasn't the greatest and she claimed she could taste the plastic in the bottled water. In the new house we will be on city water so she won't have that excuse. There was a part of me that was thinking it was you, but didn't go back to check. I'm on city water myself, and for some reason the water tastes a lot better once it goes through my PUR filter. My friend really likes the fruit infuser water. I also started drinking a lot more water once I started using a reusable bottle than just a glass. For some reason it's easier/quicker to mindlessly take a drink from my Camelbak than to drink from a regular glass. There's also a version by them that filters the water inside the bottle. I have friends that also like the Mio. I've tried it a few times and don't mind it, though mostly use it for more nefarious purposes.
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Post by greeniis10 on May 29, 2014 13:26:23 GMT -5
(nevermind - I was typing when you answered my first question)
She sounds normal, though. I applaud your attitude! Not repeating your own parent's mistakes is a good start. Recognizing the pressures of today's teen girls is also very important.
Sorry, I have no suggestions as far as appropriate clothing for teen girls.
Definitely try whatever you can to get her used to drinking lots of water consistently!
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Post by The Captain on May 29, 2014 13:27:53 GMT -5
DH and DD both drink 1%. I have to drink lactose free milk and drink skim.
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Post by zibazinski on May 29, 2014 13:29:12 GMT -5
I assumed the OP would check health contents before buying. Also about the water, great idea. Also you can freeze fruit and use it as ice cubes. Gives great flavor. I hate lemon so I drink cucumber water.
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Post by The Captain on May 29, 2014 13:29:30 GMT -5
BTW - my shoe size = women's 8 Her shoe size - yep women's 8.
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Post by The Captain on May 29, 2014 13:30:49 GMT -5
Honestly I would stay away from artificial sweetners as much as possible for a kid. Sugar-free jello and Crystal Light would freak me out. I would rather kids learn to moderate their intake of real sweets than try to overload on the fake ones. That's just my weird hangup though. I also prefer full-fat dairy to skim because I think the fats are good for us and we are satisfied with less, like Mich pointed out earlier. Would you believe I'm more concerned about the artificial dyes?
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Post by zibazinski on May 29, 2014 13:31:33 GMT -5
DD is bigger than me. So is DS. I'm still MOM and I RULE! Just ask them!!
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Post by justme on May 29, 2014 13:31:47 GMT -5
Honestly I would stay away from artificial sweetners as much as possible for a kid. Sugar-free jello and Crystal Light would freak me out. I would rather kids learn to moderate their intake of real sweets than try to overload on the fake ones. That's just my weird hangup though. I also prefer full-fat dairy to skim because I think the fats are good for us and we are satisfied with less, like Mich pointed out earlier. Depending on the artificial sweetener they're good to avoid. I know aspartame actually increases your appetite rather than curb it or keep it neutral. I don't know about the other sugar substitutes out there, but I avoid them. Which is sad because they started making the frozen pops that have ice cream in the middle with splenda or something like that. I've been craving one for YEARS, but every time I'm about to buy them I see the box with the big logo and get sad. Captain - check to make sure the Crystal Light doesn't have aspartame in it.
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