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Post by taz157 on Oct 24, 2012 14:27:45 GMT -5
There is need because employers do not pay salaries that can support families. This has been a huge topic in my office lately. Everyone else is republican. I am as socialist as they come. My boss was shocked when i told hom I did not get paid much less on unemployment. As a single mom, i would qualify for all kinds of assistance on the salary he pays. If employers do not pay decent wages to single moms, how do you expect them to not need assistance? Doxie - You are not a single mom if you are married as you've been telling us on YM... Also, you choose to accept his wage. Did you attempt to negoitate? If you relocated from your zip code, you could probably receive a higher wage depending on the job...
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doxieluvr
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Post by doxieluvr on Oct 24, 2012 14:31:49 GMT -5
I did say "as a single mom, I would".... As in if I was not married and a single mom.
I have lived as a single mom supporting a child by myself. I sympathize with those that have to do so and hope I never have to go that route again.
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Post by milee on Oct 24, 2012 14:33:30 GMT -5
If you guys have issues with how your employer is doing things, you should absolutely start your own business and do things as you think they should be done.
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Post by doxieluvr on Oct 24, 2012 14:35:01 GMT -5
Milee, I would love to start a business. How do you get the funding to do so?
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Post by hoops902 on Oct 24, 2012 14:35:11 GMT -5
::If employers do not pay decent wages to single moms, how do you expect them to not need assistance? ::
It's your employer's job to pay you what you're worth, not what you think you need. It wasn't your employer's choice for you to have a child, or fail to make yourself employable enough to get a higher paying job.
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Post by movingforward on Oct 24, 2012 14:35:24 GMT -5
There is need because employers do not pay salaries that can support families. This has been a huge topic in my office lately. Everyone else is republican. I am as socialist as they come. My boss was shocked when i told hom I did not get paid much less on unemployment. As a single mom, i would qualify for all kinds of assistance on the salary he pays. If employers do not pay decent wages to single moms, how do you expect them to not need assistance? You have stated several times that you have no ambition to get an education or training for some other type of job that would pay more. You should not expect your wage to match that of someone who has gotten a degree and received training and experience in a specialized field.
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Post by milee on Oct 24, 2012 14:37:01 GMT -5
Milee, I would love to start a business. How do you get the funding to do so? Years of making good decisions and sacrifice.
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Post by hoops902 on Oct 24, 2012 14:37:23 GMT -5
I'd expect the single mother to get a job as a mechanic which would pay her more rather than worrying that such a job would get her hands dirty.
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Post by taz157 on Oct 24, 2012 14:41:40 GMT -5
::If employers do not pay decent wages to single moms, how do you expect them to not need assistance? :: It's your employer's job to pay you what you're worth, not what you think you need. It wasn't your employer's choice for you to have a child, or fail to make yourself employable enough to get a higher paying job. There is need because employers do not pay salaries that can support families. This has been a huge topic in my office lately. Everyone else is republican. I am as socialist as they come. My boss was shocked when i told hom I did not get paid much less on unemployment. As a single mom, i would qualify for all kinds of assistance on the salary he pays. If employers do not pay decent wages to single moms, how do you expect them to not need assistance? You have stated several times that you have no ambition to get an education or training for some other type of job that would pay more. You should not expect your wage to match that of someone who has gotten a degree and received training and experience in a specialized field.
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Post by doxieluvr on Oct 24, 2012 14:41:44 GMT -5
There is need because employers do not pay salaries that can support families. This has been a huge topic in my office lately. Everyone else is republican. I am as socialist as they come. My boss was shocked when i told hom I did not get paid much less on unemployment. As a single mom, i would qualify for all kinds of assistance on the salary he pays. If employers do not pay decent wages to single moms, how do you expect them to not need assistance? You have stated several times that you have no ambition to get an education or training for some other type of job that would pay more. You should not expect your wage to match that of someone who has gotten a degree and received training and experience in a specialized field. I do have training in a specialized field. It just does not pay well. Or I have not figured out how to get it to pay well.
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Post by sheilaincali on Oct 24, 2012 14:42:02 GMT -5
Shasta- good luck getting a job with the government or a hospital while refusing to submit to drug testing. Not trying to be mean but it is what it is and we've had this argument before. Your 2 kids graduating without ever having to write a paper longer than 2 pages is not representative of all high schools. My son is in 9th grade and he has had to do several papers longer than 2 page in past couple years.
doxie- are you suggesting that employers should pay single moms at a higher wage than they would someone who is not a single mom?
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Post by hoops902 on Oct 24, 2012 14:42:29 GMT -5
::I do have training in a specialized field. It just does not pay well. ::
You've said before you could easily go right now and get a highly paid job as a mechanic but that it wouldn't allow you to look as girly as you wanted to.
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Post by Angel! on Oct 24, 2012 14:43:17 GMT -5
If employers do not pay decent wages to single moms, how do you expect them to not need assistance? Why would an employer pay based on the employee's need vs what the job is actually worth? I agree it is really tough for single moms & that is why many are on welfare. But having an employer pay more is anti-business & going to result in hiring discrimination.
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Post by taz157 on Oct 24, 2012 14:43:50 GMT -5
You have stated several times that you have no ambition to get an education or training for some other type of job that would pay more. You should not expect your wage to match that of someone who has gotten a degree and received training and experience in a specialized field. I do have training in a specialized field. It just does not pay well. Or I have not figured out how to get it to pay well. Have you ever thought of trying to gain knowledge, etc. in another field that pays well? Did you think of that (i.e., not pay well in your "specialized field") before you even entered the field to begin with?
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Post by Tiny on Oct 24, 2012 14:44:03 GMT -5
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I suspect that just as many whites are as skilled at using the welfare system as minorities. I also don't believe everyone using welfare is a scammer.
But, maybe there's alot of pressure when everyone you know is living on welfare to NOT do things that might get you out of poverty.
how many threads have we had about how hard it is to say "No" to a relative who wants to borrow money? Think about that from someone who's finally making some money - how often are they faced with relatives/friends asking for hand outs? Directly or Indirectly?
I suspect there's alot of emotional/pschological pressure to not succeed or get ahead. I see it with some of my neices/nephews they are pulled between hanging with their loser unemployed friends and going to school or getting jobs. One of the hard cold facts of life is you can not have it both ways. I can see where someone in poverty who dreams of working their way out of it - might give in to the pressure to maintain their relationships with people they love or are "friends" with. After all, aren't we always told that family comes first (even if it's bad for you) and that loyalty to friends is important (even if it's bad for you).? Good old human nature working against us.
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Post by midjd on Oct 24, 2012 14:46:23 GMT -5
Then get training in a specialized field that DOES pay well.
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Post by milee on Oct 24, 2012 14:50:15 GMT -5
If you guys have issues with how your employer is doing things, you should absolutely start your own business and do things as you think they should be done. Or unionize. Yes, that works for some companies. My company's not very big, but if the employees ever unionized, I'd close it down before accepting it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2012 14:51:22 GMT -5
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Post by doxieluvr on Oct 24, 2012 14:56:24 GMT -5
::I do have training in a specialized field. It just does not pay well. :: You've said before you could easily go right now and get a highly paid job as a mechanic but that it wouldn't allow you to look as girly as you wanted to. I would still need to get certified to work on new cars. I can work on classic cars a d pre computer and really there is not a lot of money floating around for old classic cars right now. I do have a career already that I have licensing and training.
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Post by midjd on Oct 24, 2012 15:02:11 GMT -5
So is this a low-paying career, or are you just being underpaid for your current position?
If the former - find a new career. If the latter - keep building up your skills, negotiate for a raise, or find a new job.
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Post by doxieluvr on Oct 24, 2012 15:02:54 GMT -5
I do have training in a specialized field. It just does not pay well. Or I have not figured out how to get it to pay well. Have you ever thought of trying to gain knowledge, etc. in another field that pays well? Did you think of that (i.e., not pay well in your "specialized field") before you even entered the field to begin with? It is not really a low paying field. Insurance.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2012 15:05:53 GMT -5
::I do have training in a specialized field. It just does not pay well. :: You've said before you could easily go right now and get a highly paid job as a mechanic but that it wouldn't allow you to look as girly as you wanted to. I would still need to get certified to work on new cars. I can work on classic cars a d pre computer and really there is not a lot of money floating around for old classic cars right now. I do have a career already that I have licensing and training. have you spoken to the service manager at local dealerships? we have a program in place to take people with mechanical aptitude, and help them get certified (ase) a lot of dealers are hurting for GOOD people...especially in this area mechanics in my area earn a minimum of 45-55k and i have 3 on payroll that will make over 150k this year
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Post by hoops902 on Oct 24, 2012 15:14:18 GMT -5
::It is not really a low paying field. Insurance. ::
What licensing and training do you have? The pay is variable, there are low paying and high paying jobs. I work in an insurance company, we licensing and train our own people. But you don't start out very high paying.
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Post by nogooddeed on Oct 24, 2012 15:31:44 GMT -5
I don't have any answers as to how to "cure" the neediness, but I can say I'm fatigued by all the need. In my city, there are many food pantries, all wanting donations, but they don't all coordinate who they give to so many feel those receiving are playing the system especially given that the schools provide breakfast, lunch and a late afternoon snack for those who qualify. It's not hard to qualify for free food at school. The schools even feed during the summer. The pantries/local food bank are always looking for donations. Then there's the weekend backpacks sent home that the grocery stores are always asking for donations to. A religious group operates a free diner 7 nights a week, 365 days a year where anyone can get a free hot meal without providing any income/employment information. I get appeals for money from them several times a year. Add in the annual school supply drive publicized by a local TV station, the annual coat drive, toys for kids at Christmas, the turkey drives at Thanksgiving, the United Way drive, the numerous mailings from local charities, an annual Stuff the Bus for the abused womens shelters, Christmas trees set up at church asking for supplies for the senior center, the center for adults with disabilities, the unwed mother's home, etc.. I support a lot of organizations and volunteer at several, but it seems that I'm asked for money or donations every time I turn around. Any one else feel like me?
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Post by movingforward on Oct 24, 2012 15:32:20 GMT -5
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Post by tskeeter on Oct 24, 2012 15:37:48 GMT -5
I think you over estimate the intelligence and ethical values of our politicians and bureaucrats.
So maybe your acquaintance should have limited the size of his family to a size that he and his wife could support.
I kind of resent getting to support the kids, but not even getting to smoke the cigarette.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2012 15:39:30 GMT -5
I don't have any answers as to how to "cure" the neediness, but I can say I'm fatigued by all the need. In my city, there are many food pantries, all wanting donations, but they don't all coordinate who they give to so many feel those receiving are playing the system especially given that the schools provide breakfast, lunch and a late afternoon snack for those who qualify. It's not hard to qualify for free food at school. The schools even feed during the summer. The pantries/local food bank are always looking for donations. Then there's the weekend backpacks sent home that the grocery stores are always asking for donations to. A religious group operates a free diner 7 nights a week, 365 days a year where anyone can get a free hot meal without providing any income/employment information. I get appeals for money from them several times a year. Add in the annual school supply drive publicized by a local TV station, the annual coat drive, toys for kids at Christmas, the turkey drives at Thanksgiving, the United Way drive, the numerous mailings from local charities, an annual Stuff the Bus for the abused womens shelters, Christmas trees set up at church asking for supplies for the senior center, the center for adults with disabilities, the unwed mother's home, etc.. I support a lot of organizations and volunteer at several, but it seems that I'm asked for money or donations every time I turn around. Any one else feel like me? yes but only so much time, and only so much money to go around i limit myself to 3 monetary donations annually...and we volunteer a few times a year at the homeless shelter for families which is one of the 3 causes i mentioned they are the causes i feel that are MOST worthy...... And if the tax raise does hit on Jan 1st, my donations next year will be going down by the amount my taxes go up I will send a note with the receipt that i gave at the office!
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Post by tskeeter on Oct 24, 2012 15:42:00 GMT -5
Yup. Even at work, the frequency of donation requests makes me wonder if our HR department sees itself more a a fund raising activity than a business support function.
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Post by movingforward on Oct 24, 2012 15:52:30 GMT -5
Yup. Even at work, the frequency of donation requests makes me wonder if our HR department sees itself more a a fund raising activity than a business support function. That is one of the nice things about working in a small office. We don't really get hounded by fund raising organizations.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Oct 24, 2012 16:06:49 GMT -5
I don't have any answers as to how to "cure" the neediness, but I can say I'm fatigued by all the need. In my city, there are many food pantries, all wanting donations, but they don't all coordinate who they give to so many feel those receiving are playing the system especially given that the schools provide breakfast, lunch and a late afternoon snack for those who qualify. It's not hard to qualify for free food at school. The schools even feed during the summer. The pantries/local food bank are always looking for donations. Then there's the weekend backpacks sent home that the grocery stores are always asking for donations to. A religious group operates a free diner 7 nights a week, 365 days a year where anyone can get a free hot meal without providing any income/employment information. I get appeals for money from them several times a year. Add in the annual school supply drive publicized by a local TV station, the annual coat drive, toys for kids at Christmas, the turkey drives at Thanksgiving, the United Way drive, the numerous mailings from local charities, an annual Stuff the Bus for the abused womens shelters, Christmas trees set up at church asking for supplies for the senior center, the center for adults with disabilities, the unwed mother's home, etc.. I support a lot of organizations and volunteer at several, but it seems that I'm asked for money or donations every time I turn around. Any one else feel like me? That's pretty much the reason I started the thread, that and the numbers recently published showing how much money the government spends on "the poor" and the fact that we continue to see articles saying how bad the "poor" have it and how their numbers keep swelling. I think Shasta does have a point. I think we need to fundamentally look at social programs and instead of designing them as a cliff, design them as a gradual decrease up to a certain amount. I think there's a growing amount of "giver's fatigue." It's a term that charity has coined for people who give, but get tired of giving and being asked for handouts. And as I said, I have a problem with how we define "poverty" in this country. To me, poverty means you're hungery and cold. If you have a roof over your head with running water and enough to eat, I don't consider you in poverty.
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