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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2012 11:18:31 GMT -5
spain, portugal, greece, and italy are all having issues
germany is much better....but they are now being treated like the wealthy here....and are starting to balk at paying for everyone else in the euro
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Post by sheilaincali on Oct 30, 2012 11:28:35 GMT -5
yeah that's what DS' teacher was telling them. That Germany is going to be flooded with people holding their hands out.
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Post by milee on Oct 30, 2012 11:34:18 GMT -5
In essence that's what's already happened, though. Not physically, but in economic substance. As Germany is the only economy that hasn't incurred all the government debt and still has a strong economy, it's having to bail out all the other EU members that spent themselves into a hole. We've all heard about Greece, but the WSJ thinks Spain isn't far behind.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2012 12:35:36 GMT -5
piigs have been on the business radar for at least 3-4 years now
too little income, and too many promises made......the same story everywhere
so austerity cuts are made.....people revolt.......and it still isnt enough
we have the same issues soon to hit our shores....plenty of counties and cities feeling it now
how many california communities are bankrupt?
soon cities and counties will not be able to sell their bonds......and then the real fun starts
unless real changes are made....Wisconsin type of changes.....he may not have been popular doing it, but that state is solvent again because of what Walker did
But the politicians have to have steel cajones to make those moves.....and the public has to realize that they are the only way to make things work again
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 30, 2012 12:40:31 GMT -5
Germany doesn't let just anyone in and then support them.
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Post by movingforward on Oct 30, 2012 12:45:01 GMT -5
i have family members doing the same damn thing my sister live in sw part of virginia.....bfe as i like to call it there is NOTHING there.....except family she complains that there are no jobs, or opportunities there i understand that you dont want to leave your roots, and where you are comfortable but when push comes to shove....you have to eat....and you need wages to do so..... the bottom line is what is more important......family or supporting oneself I wholeheartedly agree with you on this. The only problem I see with the poor who are unemployed being able to move is having the resources to do so. If you don't have money saved and are living paycheck to paycheck moving can be difficult. I am of the notion though that selling what little you have for some start-up money and moving somewhere you can find a job is worth it. Having a permanent decent job where you can start over is better to me than continuing to live in poverty for the rest of your life.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 30, 2012 12:55:45 GMT -5
Not if you choose to live off the efforts of others.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2012 12:57:06 GMT -5
In essence that's what's already happened, though. Not physically, but in economic substance. As Germany is the only economy that hasn't incurred all the government debt and still has a strong economy, it's having to bail out all the other EU members that spent themselves into a hole. We've all heard about Greece, but the WSJ thinks Spain isn't far behind. Italy won't be too far behind Spain. Most of my Italian friends tell me that there will be a revolution soon. Not sure if they know what they are talking about or not.
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Post by The Captain on Oct 30, 2012 12:58:53 GMT -5
piigs have been on the business radar for at least 3-4 years now too little income, and too many promises made......the same story everywhere so austerity cuts are made.....people revolt.......and it still isnt enough we have the same issues soon to hit our shores....pleanty of counties and cities feeling it now how many california communities are bankrupt? soon cities and counties will not be able to sell their bonds......and then the real fun starts unless real changes are made....Wisconsin type of changes.....he may not have been popular doing it, but that state is solvent again because of what Walker did But the politicians have to have steel cajones to make those moves.....and the public has to realize that they are the only way to make things work again PIIGS for those who may not know: Portugal Italy Ireland Greece Spain
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Post by movingforward on Oct 30, 2012 13:01:47 GMT -5
In essence that's what's already happened, though. Not physically, but in economic substance. As Germany is the only economy that hasn't incurred all the government debt and still has a strong economy, it's having to bail out all the other EU members that spent themselves into a hole. We've all heard about Greece, but the WSJ thinks Spain isn't far behind. Italy won't be too far behind Spain. Most of my Italian friends tell me that there will be a revolution soon. Not sure if they know what they are talking about or not. I have heard some people say that about the US. Some local occupy wall street guy was on the news the other night saying a revolution is coming to the US. Maybe so but I am just not sure it is the revolution he is talking about...
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Post by sheilaincali on Oct 30, 2012 13:02:11 GMT -5
That's what we did. We moved to CA with jobs lined up and a couple of years later they were both eliminated. We tried to tough it out for about 9 months with no responses to the hundreds of resumes we both sent out. Finally we just decided to move back to Minnesota which had a more stable job market. Scrounged up all the money we could get our hands on, sold everything we didn't need (included DH's truck), rented a U-haul and drove across the country. DH and DS in the U-Haul me in my suv loaded with belongings, 2 dogs, one cat and 4 gold fish.
They just released current Unemployment numbers for my city and we are sitting at 4.6% and where I lived in California is at 12.6%
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Post by movingforward on Oct 30, 2012 13:03:46 GMT -5
That's what we did. We moved to CA with jobs lined up and a couple of years later they were both eliminated. We tried to tough it out for about 9 months with no responses to the hundreds of resumes we both sent out. Finally we just decided to move back to Minnesota which had a more stable job market. Scrounged up all the money we could get our hands on, sold everything we didn't need (included DH's truck), rented a U-haul and drove across the country. DH and DS in the U-Haul me in my suv loaded with belongings, 2 dogs, one cat and 4 gold fish. They just released current Unemployment numbers for my city and we are sitting at 4.6% and where I lived in California is at 12.6% I admire that!
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 30, 2012 13:05:00 GMT -5
You have a worker mentality not a taker mentality.
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Post by sheilaincali on Oct 30, 2012 13:33:35 GMT -5
Zib- I'm not completely innocent- I did let the house in CA go into foreclosure. But I figured employed in MN was better than homeless in CA. I do have self respect though- I emptied all of our belonging out of the house and cleaned it from top to bottom before we left. I heard of a lot of people trashing the houses and stealing all the fixtures and putting holes in the walls before they left them. That so wasn't us. We left it as respectfully as we could and contacted the bank to tell them what we were doing.
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Post by The Captain on Oct 30, 2012 13:52:35 GMT -5
Sheila - did the move enable you to get back on your feet, if yes how long did it take?
Probably even more important, were you able to find work with benefits?
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Post by sheilaincali on Oct 30, 2012 14:36:40 GMT -5
Captain- After 11 months of unemployment DH was hired (scheduled the interview during the drive to MN) the day after we moved into town in 2009. And again- after months without insurance his insurance started a month after he was hired. I was hired about 2 months after we got to town (after being laid off for nearly exactly a full year). DH stayed with that original company until April of this year when he made the move to another company doing the same thing. The new company has more hours, better pay and better benefits. Plus they have given him additional training, interviewed him for one promotion and are now looking at cross training him to another position within the company and giving him a promotion when he finishes he training.
We are fully back on our feet. With my parents as co-signers we are in the process of buying the house that we have been renting. We are about 6 to 9 months from being out of debt (3 months give or take is due to not knowing what our annual bonuses will be in December).
DS is in a great school, has wonderful friends and DH and I both have stable jobs that we enjoy and that compensate us well. Moving back to Minnesota was the smartest decision we could have made. I shudder to think where we would be at now financially if we had stayed in So Cal.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 30, 2012 15:08:36 GMT -5
You did the best you could and chose to move rather than rely on taxpayers to support you in your dream state.
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Post by sheilaincali on Oct 30, 2012 15:46:54 GMT -5
Zib- in short yes. The only aid we ever took was our Unemployment Benefits. We had both worked basically full time since we graduated high school so by the time we were laid off I had worked for the past 14 years and DH had worked for the past 16 years straight.
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Post by Formerly SK on Oct 30, 2012 15:54:03 GMT -5
I'm impressed you took the goldfish.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2012 3:50:28 GMT -5
I love that you moved the goldfish.
When we moved from Texas to Michigan we had 1 Beta fish, 2 Gerbils, and a dog all in my car.
I am from a small town in Michigan that has ZERO opportunities unless you are ok working for low wages and barely making it, or the other option was to commute about an hour for a little better pay. There are a lot of people on welfare and barely making ends meet. My parents never took welfare, but damn were we dirt poor. I HATED it. Hated every stinking minute of living in that town. A week after graduating HS I moved to a bigger town and never looked back. I guess since I don't have roots anywhere...never felt like planting roots in most places I have lived, I don't have a problem moving to where the work is. My husband and kids come before extended family. Keeping them fed, clothed, and giving them shelter is more important to me than where we live.
ETA: Although...if you try to make me move back to Ft. Leondard Wood or Ft. Leavenworth area...I will probably CUT YOU. After I cut you I will move there and just drink a lot of beer to make it better.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2012 8:00:06 GMT -5
I understand wanting to be near parents and family
Most of us at some point in our life had to rely on others for assistance
But when you live in an area where unemployment tops 20%, nothing is opening, and there is no signs of things getting better, it is time to LEAVE
There are jobs in North Dakota and Texas.....the oil jobs opening are crazy
My SIL just moved to Midland Texas from San Diego....he was getting out of the Navy...and couldnt find anything out there....i told him to apply to the oil companies....he had an interview 10 days after sending in his resume....and a good job a week later
I sent them a little seed money to make it through the first month....but they have already paid me back. If you really want to work, there are jobs out there....you just gotta go get them
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Post by sheilaincali on Oct 31, 2012 8:29:56 GMT -5
Proud to say that all 4 fish survived the 3 day drive gdgyva- that's what frustrates me with some people. They will complain and complain about how there are no jobs where they are and no opportunities but you suggest they move and all hell breaks loose. It's like that's the most unreasonable suggestion that they have ever heard. I don't get it. I'd rather move and start over than stay in a crappy situation bemoaning my fate 24/7.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2012 8:40:39 GMT -5
Proud to say that all 4 fish survived the 3 day drive gdgyva- that's what frustrates me with some people. They will complain and complain about how there are no jobs where they are and no opportunities but you suggest they move and all hell breaks loose. It's like that's the most unreasonable suggestion that they have ever heard. I don't get it. I'd rather move and start over than stay in a crappy situation bemoaning my fate 24/7.
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Post by movingforward on Oct 31, 2012 8:46:15 GMT -5
My parents moved in their early 50's from a city they had lived in for 30 yrs. My dad's company shut its doors and a sister company halfway across the country offered him a position. He talked to my mom and her words were "we gotta do what we gotta do." My dad knew that being in his early 50's might be an issue and they didn't even want to risk him being without a job. My mom worked in insurance so she could basically work anywhere. They were upset to leave but they actually ended up loving the city they moved to and both remained gainfully employed until they retired at 63. I was always very impressed with the quick decision they made.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 31, 2012 9:47:58 GMT -5
Those are the types of citizens we need. Not the ones too good to pee in a cup because they're on drugs while they're collecting benefits.
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