WHEN Your Party Runs A S*&tty Candidate.......

[Loopdilou]

Sept 4, 2012 20:45:53 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Sept 4, 2012 20:37:01 GMT -5 zipity said:

but who do you think was the last "well-qualified" candidate the Republicans ran

If you don't accept Bush Sr then probably Eisenhower.

I actually did like Bush Sr. when he ran in 1980. Reagan's election messed him up.

And an Eisenhower is exactly what the Republicans need now. A moderate conservative willing to work both sides but who most importantly has enough personal popularity to ignore those who try to drag him far-right.

The Religious Right started digging their claws in around 1984. And hell.. even I might vote for an Eisenhower (just doubt you could find one that could win).

[EVT1]

Sept 4, 2012 21:26:58 GMT -5 @craftysarah said:

but if you don't vote, you can't gripe. And I like to gripe.

"I have solved this political dilemma in a very direct way: I don't vote. On Election Day, I stay home. I firmly believe that if you vote, you have no right to complain. Now, some people like to twist that around. They say, 'If you don't vote, you have no right to complain,' but where's the logic in that? If you vote, and you elect dishonest, incompetent politicians, and they get into office and screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You voted them in. You caused the problem. You have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote -- who did not even leave the house on Election Day -- am in no way responsible for what these politicians have done and have every right to complain about the mess that you created."

Carlin

[Deleted]

I disagree that if you don't vote you can't complain. There are times a "non vote" is my vote. I have decided to only vote for people i believe in. But, as i said, i don't care what politicians SAY. I only care about DO. How have they really voted in the past? What do they REALLY think when the squeak out some unscripted thoughts. That is what i am interested in. They can promise to lower the ocean levels and heal the planet, but what will they really DO? People need to get less enamored by the gift of gab and focus on the gift of real leadership and accomplishment instead.

[The Captain]

I have never voted along "party lines". I try to do some research and vote for the candidate who's positions match my own and who I feel will be the best choice for the county at that point in time. I also try very hard not to vote based on a single issue.

That being said, I can't remember the last time I picked a winner

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Sept 4, 2012 18:36:22 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

do you feel obligated to vote for him/her?

do you do so anyway?

if so, WHY?

I used to. I have a lot of regret for supporting Bush. The failed Bush presidency tee'd up the Obama regime. And the icing on the cake? John Roberts. Thanks, buddy.

Now they want me to vote for the architect of ObamaCare?

I think not.

No more.

[deziloooooo]

I never fail to vote...most all elections...with out fail...some how , ALWAYS fel good afterwards...some times even go to the Pancake House for a treat.. ;D

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Sept 5, 2012 7:41:11 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

I do tend to vote Democratic most of the time, but certainly not all the time.
In the last Gubernatorial race I voted for the Independant.
In this year's Senatorial race I will almost certainly vote Independant.
If the Dems ran what I considered a s*&tty candidate for Prez I doubt I'd vote for them.

It's hard to imagine a sh*&ttier candidate than the current stain the Dems are stuck with.

[Loopdilou]

Or the one the Repubs are running.

[Deleted]

I'm half kidding, but why not consider the Peace and Freedom Party (Roseanne Barr and Cindy Sheehan). ;D

On August 8, the 59-year-old sitcom star announced plans to run for President of the United States in the November 6 election. "Vote for me. I'm not a liar. I'm not a thief. I'm not a whore," she told The Daily Beast. "And I'm not a politician. I think that uniquely qualifies me to become president of the U.S."

Barr is the presidential nominee for the Peace and Freedom Party; her running mate, Cindy Sheehan, is an antiwar activist whose son died while serving in Iraq. Sheehan memorably protested in front of former President George W. Bush's Texas ranch in 2005. "Our party is about peace and freedom -- Americans have been been bullsh-tted into forgetting that war does not mean freedom," Barr said. "When I'm president, I'm gonna outlaw bullsh-t.

"There is no real third party in America," she added. "There's this one party that has two sides to it -- the Democratic and Republican side. It's one party that has two heads. We want to give voters a choice for people not owned by Wall Street."
The thrice-divorced mother-of-five believes American citizens have been "bamboozled and hoodwinked" by the government, which she said is "owned by bankers."

Barr wants to cut back on military spending, bring the troops home, crack down on the outsourcing of jobs, legalize marijuana and remove tax caps for the rich.

The Roseanne star believes her experiences as a comedienne will work in her favor during election season. "In order to be able to write a good joke, you have to find the truth," she told The Daily Beast. "I've spent 30 years as a comedian focused on working-class issues. Working-class people do not have a vote in this country. That's the real reason why I'm running and why I've put up my own money to seek ballot access in all 50 states. I will keep running till I win."

www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/roseanne-barr-running-for-united-states-president-im-not-a-whore-201298

And a couple of days ago she was ranting on twitter:

Barr, in a rant posted at 2:39pm on September 2nd said "most billionaires r violent pedophiles & consumers of violent pedo porn. they get a kick out of being heartless cruel empty cocaine addicts."

Part of her presidential platform was also expressed on Twitter about an hour after her billionaire rant when she tweeted "in short, my first week in office, I'll deconstruct the prison military industrial complex."

roseanneforpresident2012.org/

[djAdvocate]

Sept 5, 2012 8:11:08 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

I never fail to vote...most all elections...with out fail...some how , ALWAYS fel good afterwards...some times even go to the Pancake House for a treat.. ;D

that wasn't the question. the question is do you vote for s*&tty candidates simply because they are in YOUR party?

[usaone]

I voted for

1992 Bush
1996 Clinton
2000 Bush
2004 Didnt vote
2008 Obama
2012 Not sure

Can anyone top that?? lol

[djAdvocate]

Sept 5, 2012 11:01:31 GMT -5 usaone said:

I voted for

1992 Bush
1996 Clinton
2000 Bush
2004 Didnt vote
2008 Obama
2012 Not sure

Can anyone top that?? lol

define "TOP".

[usaone]

Voting as a true Independant.

[Virgil Showlion]

Sept 5, 2012 11:01:31 GMT -5 usaone said:

I voted for

1992 Bush
1996 Clinton
2000 Bush
2004 Didnt vote
2008 Obama
2012 Not sure

Can anyone top that?? lol

Sure.

1992 Didn't Vote
1996 Didn't Vote
2000 Didn't Vote
2004 Didn't Vote
2008 Didn't Vote
2012 Won't Vote

Every pick a winner. ;D

ETA: It seems to me you just voted for the party that didn't screw things up last.

[EVT1]

That is exactly the same record I have (same as USAONE) except I didn't vote in 92. Probably not voting this year or might consider Jill Stein or Gary Johnson- my state is a lock for Mitt. It would be nice to have them part of the debates- I think it is bullshit they are not.

[Deleted]

Sept 5, 2012 11:41:32 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Sept 5, 2012 11:01:31 GMT -5 usaone said:

I voted for

1992 Bush
1996 Clinton
2000 Bush
2004 Didnt vote
2008 Obama
2012 Not sure

Can anyone top that?? lol

Sure.

1992 Didn't Vote
1996 Didn't Vote
2000 Didn't Vote
2004 Didn't Vote
2008 Didn't Vote
2012 Won't Vote

Every pick a winner. ;D

That begs the question, why can't Canadian's vote in our election? I bet the Democrats would allow it.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 5, 2012 11:41:34 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

That is exactly the same record I have except I didn't vote in 92. Probably not voting this year or might consider Jill Stein or Gary Johnson- my state is a lock for Mitt. It would be nice to have them part of the debates- I think it is bullshit they are not.

it is not bullshit. it is PROFOUNDLY undemocratic.

do we want this to change? then everyone who is angry and disappointed should vote third party.

[Virgil Showlion]

That begs the question, why can't Canadian's vote in our election? I bet the Democrats would allow it.

The only Canadians that care about the US elections are pretty much all on these boards.

The "Obamamania" in 2008 was different. For some reason I'll never fathom, people believed his "Hope and Change" rhetoric.

This time around you'd be lucky to find a dozen people outside the US who care enough about the election to name the Republican candidate. The hype really does stop at the borders.

[EVT1]

Sept 5, 2012 11:42:56 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Sept 5, 2012 11:41:34 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

That is exactly the same record I have except I didn't vote in 92. Probably not voting this year or might consider Jill Stein or Gary Johnson- my state is a lock for Mitt. It would be nice to have them part of the debates- I think it is bullshit they are not.

it is not bullshit. it is PROFOUNDLY undemocratic.

do we want this to change? then everyone who is angry and disappointed should vote third party.

Very undemocratic- one way for them to get more votes is to be part of the process. I do agree that they should be on enough ballots to win- which they do- so this is nothing more than the two parties trying to kill the competition.

[deziloooooo]

Sept 5, 2012 10:16:07 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Sept 5, 2012 8:11:08 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

I never fail to vote...most all elections...with out fail...some how , ALWAYS feel good afterwords...some times even go to the Pancake House for a treat.. ;D

that wasn't the question. the question is do you vote for s*&tty candidates simply because they are in YOUR party?

If you notice...which I doubt you have..I really don't feel all politicians are the lowest of the low as it seems so many who post here do...and haven't been dissing them , either of the two major ones , as most have either.

There are politicians I wouldn't vote for but it's because I just don't agree with their sentiments and beliefs and I don't feel any of the current candidates for POTUS fall into that category you and a few are yapping about..s*&tty ones...

Actually childish and non productive tcarryion about them that way...painting with the paint brush the whole class of..IMHO of course, ...not even humorous to me actually...and so many were , surprising actually to me , mentioning that they either never, rarely , would rather stay home and boasting about it , yadda, yadda when it comes to actual voting...that I just felt compelled to add my doings on that special day...hell , when I lived in Texas for 11 years and even my candidates for dog catcher were going to be beaten, I voted...

Where I live..I believe that the voting % is almost in the 90 % tile...or so it seems and it is very high...so to not vote..and to boast about it...because there is such contempt for all candidates..just blows me away..but that's me..

Sorry if I upset anything by posting my thoughts about voting day..just couldn't help myself..me bad ....again.

[Deleted]

Sept 5, 2012 1:23:06 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

Do any of you really hear what your saying..others are saying?? Not one positive comment for anyone is said..cry and moan . Nothing to do with partys and candidates anymore just piss and moan , moan and piss..and on and on..what is with you all..seriouse question..what am I misssing here..realize it is a tiny fraction of people but is that the only ones for the most part who participate in these type of chat programs..all very unhappy with life types..real bummer it is ...[shudder]

The real question is why are you on a thread you are not enjoying and that others apparently are?
To cry and moan perhaps?

[djAdvocate]

Sept 5, 2012 11:59:52 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

Sept 5, 2012 10:16:07 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

that wasn't the question. the question is do you vote for s*&tty candidates simply because they are in YOUR party?

If you notice...which I doubt you have..I really don't feel all politicians are the lowest of the low as it seems so many who post here do...and haven't been dissing them , either of the two major ones , as most have either.

There are politicians I wouldn't vote for but it's because I just don't agree with their sentiments and beliefs and I don't feel any of the current candidates for POTUS fall into that category you and a few are yapping about..s*&tty ones...

Actually childish and non productive tcarryion about them that way...painting with the paint brush the whole class of..IMHO of course, ...not even humorous to me actually...and so many were , surprising actually to me , mentioning that they either never, rarely , would rather stay home and boasting about it , yadda, yadda when it comes to actual voting...that I just felt compelled to add my doings on that special day...hell , when I lived in Texas for 11 years and even my candidates for dog catcher were going to be beaten, I voted...

Where I live..I believe that the voting % is almost in the 90 % tile...or so it seems and it is very high...so to not vote..and to boast about it...because there is such contempt for all candidates..just blows me away..but that's me..

Sorry if I upset anything by posting my thoughts about voting day..just couldn't help myself..me bad ....again.

don't apologize.

but i don't entirely understand what you are saying, here. i am not just badmouthing the candidates. i have a very important point to make about it. i believe in EVERY vote i cast. and i am wondering why others don't.

have you ever considered voting third party?

[deziloooooo]

Sept 5, 2012 12:00:49 GMT -5 @xmascookie said:

Sept 5, 2012 1:23:06 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

Do any of you really hear what your saying..others are saying?? Not one positive comment for anyone is said..cry and moan . Nothing to do with partys and candidates anymore just piss and moan , moan and piss..and on and on..what is with you all..seriouse question..what am I misssing here..realize it is a tiny fraction of people but is that the only ones for the most part who participate in these type of chat programs..all very unhappy with life types..real bummer it is ...[shudder]

The real question is why are you on a thread you are not enjoying and that others apparently are?
To cry and moan perhaps?

You had me there for a minute so I went back and reread the C of C and there is nothing there that says one has to agree with all posts to take part in threads on this board...not even insinuating such a thing , so guess I am legal so to speak.

The question still remains ...are all really reading what all are saying , the crying , moaning, dissing of, continuouse, never ending. ...not one positive remark ? Thats how all really feel about life..what is going down around them?..Still feel it is a bummer, still shuddering ...

[djAdvocate]

i think tacos are a good idea today. anyone else up for tacos?

[Deleted]

Sept 5, 2012 12:15:04 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i think tacos are a good idea today. anyone else up for tacos?

Tacos. Yum

[Virgil Showlion]

The question still remains ...are all really reading what all are saying , the crying , moaning, dissing of, continuouse, never ending. ...not one positive remark ? Thats how all really feel about life..what is going down around them?..Still feel it is a bummer, still shuddering ...

The 2008 elections were about hope, change, and an optimistic outlook.

The 2012 elections are not.

I wouldn't say people are "complaining" in this thread. Just acknowledging the reality that nobody can really "get behind" either of the candidates.

And in a sense, your attitude of "if you can't say something positive, don't say anything at all" is a direct analog to DJ's argument: "if you can't vote for somebody worth voting for, don't vote for anyone at all".

[deziloooooo]

Sept 5, 2012 12:12:49 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Sept 5, 2012 11:59:52 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

If you notice...which I doubt you have..I really don't feel all politicians are the lowest of the low as it seems so many who post here do...and haven't been dissing them , either of the two major ones , as most have either.

There are politicians I wouldn't vote for but it's because I just don't agree with their sentiments and beliefs and I don't feel any of the current candidates for POTUS fall into that category you and a few are yapping about..s*&tty ones...

Actually childish and non productive carrying about them that way...painting with the paint brush the whole class of..IMHO of course, ...not even humorous to me actually...and so many were , surprising actually to me , mentioning that they either never, rarely , would rather stay home and boasting about it , yadda, yadda when it comes to actual voting...that I just felt compelled to add my doings on that special day...hell , when I lived in Texas for 11 years and even my candidates for dog catcher were going to be beaten, I voted...

Where I live..I believe that the voting % is almost in the 90 % tile...or so it seems and it is very high...so to not vote..and to boast about it...because there is such contempt for all candidates..just blows me away..but that's me..

Sorry if I upset anything by posting my thoughts about voting day..just couldn't help myself..me bad ....again.

don't apologize.

but i don't entirely understand what you are saying, here. i am not just badmouthing the candidates. i have a very important point to make about it. i believe in EVERY vote i cast. and i am wondering why others don't.

have you ever considered voting third party?

There is and hasn't been any candidates that really appealed to me...Johnson is the closest this time and in the past..Peroe, Nader..no for them and had a candidate I was able to readily support.

I also , and I know your feelings , in time a third party might become relevant and yadda, yadda...but truthfully I don't see them ever becoming relevant in this country, ever...and there are more to running a country, ours , then just the POTUS..one has to have support elsewhere in Congress too...

To me a vote third party is a wasted vote and my time is important to me...My feelings are if that unhappy with my party's candidate and not happy with opposition either..and one has to take in consideration the party the opposition is part of , their beliefs, wants and desires..which will influence the leaders agenda in a big way..

Example Romney's party , the wants of this party..

[shudder..their wants on some things can really turn my stomach..sorry about that]

..suggest look at candidate closer and stop trying to get one to support that fits 85 % or even more of your own ideas of whats right , possible good part of that your going to be wrong anyway ..just because you /I don't have all the facts that the ones who are elected have..and vote that way..

The third party for me is NOT a option, at least so far..but ok with you , then so be it.
We can agree to disagree on that one , ok?

[djAdvocate]

Sept 5, 2012 12:28:55 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

Sept 5, 2012 12:12:49 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

don't apologize.

but i don't entirely understand what you are saying, here. i am not just badmouthing the candidates. i have a very important point to make about it. i believe in EVERY vote i cast. and i am wondering why others don't.

have you ever considered voting third party?

There is and hasn't been any candidates that really appealed to me...Johnson is the closest this time and in the past..Peroe, Nader..no for them and had a candidate I was able to readily support.

I also , and I know your feelings , in time a third party might become relevant and yadda, yadda...but truthfully I don't see them ever becoming relevant in this country, ever...and there are more to running a country, ours , then just the POTUS..one has to have support elsewhere in Congress too...

i do. and i think it will happen in my lifetime. but don't ask me why. i don't have time to explain today.

To me a vote third party is a wasted vote and my time is important to me...My feelings are if that unhappy with my party's candidate and not happy with opposition either..and one has to take in consideration the party the opposition is part of , their beliefs, wants and desires..which will influence the leaders agenda in a big way..

Example Romney's party , the wants of this party..

[shudder..their wants on some things can really turn my stomach..sorry about that]

i feel the same way about voting for someone i don't believe in: it is worse than not voting, imo.

..suggest look at candidate closer and stop trying to get one to support that fits 85 % or even more of your own ideas of whats right , possible good part of that your going to be wrong anyway ..just because you /I don't have all the facts that the ones who are elected have..and vote that way..

thanks for the suggestion, but i look at candidates very closely. for example, if you look at Ryan's budget, which everyone seems to think is revolutionary, it doesn't actually reduce spending. did you know that? i doubt it. almost nobody does. nobody even mentions it. why? because on the GOP side, it doesn't mesh well with the narrative of their smaller government schtick, which is a contemptable fraud. they don't want smaller government. they want government shifted even more than it is now to favor THEIR special interests. the Democrats? they want EXACTLY THE SAME THING. and yet there are some that, for the life of me, i can't explain why, see these two things as ALTERNATIVES? WHAT alternative?

no, sorry, i can't do this anymore, dez. i will vote for Change. REAL Change. and i will encourage others to do the same. but you are welcome to continue repeating that tired old yarn about throwing away your vote until the ship is perhaps too sunk to right.

The third party for me is NOT a option, at least so far..but ok with you , then so be it.
We can agree to disagree on that one , ok?

of course not. i will fight that POV until i can no longer speak.

[zipity]

The "Obamamania" in 2008 was different. For some reason I'll never fathom, people believed his "Hope and Change" rhetoric.

Eight years of terrorism, war, recession, increasing debt, downward pressure on income, insecure job markets, losing most if not everything in the markets. For most Obama supporters he symbolize a hope for a better day and the possibility of a change back to the way things were. And before you accuse me of blaming Bush, the 8 years just happens to coincide with a down turn that started with the dot bomb as Clinton left office which was accented by the country's worst terror attack. This time through everyone is a bit more realistic. Wishing and hoping doesn't get it done and if you want change you need to get off your butt and go find it.

Personally I think Obama made some real bad mistakes in how he dealt with the pubs in his first year. For more mature, been around Washington longer kind of guys, I think the pubs reacted like first year politicians. I could vote for Romney, I've done it before BUT I can't bring myself to ever again vote for the party of social conservatism. I can't vote for a party that doesn't believe in the American system and is unwilling to compromise. On the other hand, when you get by the sound bites I agree with a lot of what Obama says. Not everything but enough to make me feel good about voting this year.

[Deleted]

Sept 5, 2012 5:56:01 GMT -5 @shooby said:

I disagree that if you don't vote you can't complain. There are times a "non vote" is my vote. I have decided to only vote for people i believe in. But, as i said, i don't care what politicians SAY. I only care about DO. How have they really voted in the past? What do they REALLY think when the squeak out some unscripted thoughts. That is what i am interested in. They can promise to lower the ocean levels and heal the planet, but what will they really DO? People need to get less enamored by the gift of gab and focus on the gift of real leadership and accomplishment instead.

Like I said, I don't like to skip lines on my ballot. If you decide all available options are a disappointment and choose to skip a line on your ballot, I can respect that.

If you are sitting at home, then you are being lazy. I have never once seen a ballot with only one office on it. You can call it what you want, but I'm saying it is handing the reins of your local government over without a fight, it is being lazy and failing to uphold your civic responsibility. Not my brand of patriotism.