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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 15, 2012 12:40:06 GMT -5
To be honest though, who could have enough news for a 24 hour cycle... ?? Be lucky we don't have to hear about their bowel movements... do me a favor, NEVER mention that in a letter to the editor.
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Post by cme1201 on Feb 15, 2012 12:45:05 GMT -5
To be honest though, who could have enough news for a 24 hour cycle... ?? Be lucky we don't have to hear about their bowel movements... Plenty of news for a 24/7 news cycle. The fact that what passes for news is considered news is disheartening.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 12:48:30 GMT -5
True that... But its all wrapped up in the same problem, i think... when you move to 24 hour a day programming, its hard to sustain hard cutting journalism for that amount of time... so we have 'entertainment' on news programs... and then, given... something .... (I'm trying not to cite our general apathy and dwindling intellect...) ... makes that programming more popular... and then the 'real news' has to compete with entertainment... etc etc...
Honestly, I wish they'd go back to a few hours of hard hitting news a day... and separate it out completely from the 'entertainment' industry...
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Post by cme1201 on Feb 15, 2012 12:53:52 GMT -5
True that... But its all wrapped up in the same problem, i think... when you move to 24 hour a day programming, its hard to sustain hard cutting journalism for that amount of time... so we have 'entertainment' on news programs... and then, given... something .... (I'm trying not to cite our general apathy and dwindling intellect...) ... makes that programming more popular... and then the 'real news' has to compete with entertainment... etc etc... Honestly, I wish they'd go back to a few hours of hard hitting news a day... and separate it out completely from the 'entertainment' industry... I agree with the last part. Go back to the days of men like Cronkite who reported the news and didn't let their personal feelings get in the way.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 12:54:21 GMT -5
On the other hand, bowl movements might improve some of the letters to the editor that show up in our local paper... Not when they print mine obviously... .... but.... just saying...
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 15, 2012 13:49:21 GMT -5
update: Rasmussen just posted a likely voters poll that has Santorum up by 12% nationally.
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Post by cme1201 on Feb 15, 2012 14:03:16 GMT -5
Newsies should only be able to write about bowel movements if they are in the water closet as the business is being done so they can report on how hot the steaming pile is that landed on their face.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 15, 2012 14:21:59 GMT -5
the last thing the people in charge want is an informed electorate. the media are paid stooges to their cause. the system is so airtight it would make Goebbles blush. I survived most of my school years chowing down PB&J and a snack bag of some sort of chips. I've learned my non-nutritionally balanced lunch has made me mental midget so they shouldn't be too scared.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 17, 2012 0:50:38 GMT -5
Santorum is now ahead in every major poll in the US: albeit by a very slim margin.
there are two things that make me think it might not hold up. the first is that neither he nor Romney have burst the 35% barrier yet. that means that neither are anywhere NEAR to a majority. they really need to bring in another 15% (one of them does) or Paul is right, this is going to end up going brokered at the convention, and it is going to make NOBODY in the party happy = the GOP goes down to Obama. someone needs to start dominating here, or it is going to get very ugly.
the good news is that if that someone is Santorum, his numbers are the ONLY ones that are improving -vs- Obama right now. he now only trails by 8% to Obama, which is only 2% worse than Romney, whose support is down 4% in the last month.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2012 7:59:24 GMT -5
I doubt they improve much beyond that, honestly. And, while I think it is possible that in a general Romney might improve his numbers, especially if certain external economic factors go his way.... I do not think Santorum will...
There are moderates, etc. who will vote for Romney, and while a few of the base might be turned off enough not to vote, many more will hold the line and vote against Obama. I can not see Santorum moving anyone but the base. I can't see him swaying the middle or independents, and frankly i think there are even some of the base who will not vote for him, at least privately.... specifically, his views on women are so archaic...
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 17, 2012 8:06:44 GMT -5
.....and it is going to make NOBODY in the party happy = the GOP goes down to Obama. someone needs to start dominating here, or it is going to get very ugly. Don't sweat it DJ. Party loyal republicans will fall in line and march lockstep with the GOP nominee.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 17, 2012 8:08:03 GMT -5
There are moderates, etc. who will vote for Romney, and while a few of the base might be turned off enough not to vote, many more will hold the line and vote against Obama. I am going to hold the line and vote against the corrupt two party establishment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2012 9:29:20 GMT -5
I think the Michigan numbers are interesting. Everyone made this huge deal about New Hampshire liking Romney because it was next to Massachusetts, so he felt like the local guy. Romney is actually from Michigan, but the local guy angle isn't working for him there. That ship may be sunk.
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Post by usaone on Feb 17, 2012 9:44:23 GMT -5
40% of Americans...and growing are Independants. Its all about who they will vote for.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2012 10:13:33 GMT -5
I don't see independents going for Santorum... when it comes down to it, he isn't really fiscally conservative, small government, or for individual freedoms... he is the social conservative, and that isn't winning over independents...
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 17, 2012 12:23:44 GMT -5
.....and it is going to make NOBODY in the party happy = the GOP goes down to Obama. someone needs to start dominating here, or it is going to get very ugly. Don't sweat it DJ. Party loyal republicans will fall in line and march lockstep with the GOP nominee. that is the general pattern. but this year FEELS different. we have now had FOUR people challenge Romney in the primary. three of them made it to 1st place: Perry, Cain, and Santorum. i don't think it means that Romney won't get the nomination. he probably well. but he clearly is not universally loved.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 17, 2012 12:25:21 GMT -5
I think the Michigan numbers are interesting. Everyone made this huge deal about New Hampshire liking Romney because it was next to Massachusetts, so he felt like the local guy. Romney is actually from Michigan, but the local guy angle isn't working for him there. That ship may be sunk. Romney needs to make Michigan a contest. he is clearly down there, right now, and more than he is nationally.
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Post by sgtjer on Feb 17, 2012 17:01:15 GMT -5
Santorum is just the latest flash in the pan. When the crosshairs settle solely on him, he'll start to lose his luster.
Romney is the only viable repub, IMO. But the longer this rise and fall continues, the less likely it is he'll fare well in the general, too many repubs will be turned off by the infighting.
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Post by zipity on Feb 17, 2012 22:37:54 GMT -5
Santorum is just the latest flash in the pan.
The latest and the last. Pubs have run out of runway, the worst thing they can possibly do is take it to a convention fight but it looks like that's what they want to do. Their best chance would have been to rally behind Romney, knock Newt and Santorum out of the race and start to campaign hard against Obama. Instead they're content with in fighting while the economy and Obama's approval ratings continue to get stronger.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2012 22:41:21 GMT -5
In fighting, and rants against birth control... sure winners those...
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Post by diamonds on Feb 18, 2012 1:11:37 GMT -5
Mitt Romney is a cutout plastic politican as Obama was. He reminds me of a slick car salesman. He just can't get his numbers to stay up as he is not trusted to be a real Conservative and for all the time he had to prepare for this, and the money he has, something is missing. He may win the nomination as there is still plenty of time, however, the general public is feeling "Anyone but Obama" and I think they are concentrating on that mantra now.
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Post by zipity on Feb 18, 2012 9:03:33 GMT -5
the general public is feeling "Anyone but Obama" and I think they are concentrating on that mantra now.
Which general public is that? The economy is getting better raising Obama's approval ratings. On foreign policy, Obama is already scoring well. You may not have noticed the quick passage of the SS payroll tax cut, extended unemployment benefits and deal cut to put off medicare price cuts but the pubs didn't even fight them. Congressional house approval ratings are down in or near single digits. Pubs never raised cuts to offset the tax cut because they didn't want to draw any attention to themselves. As I've said and will continue to say, Romney is a decent businessman and a good executive BUT he's not a social conservative. He has the only chance to capture enough independents to challenge Obama. Newt has way to much baggage and a lot of enemies in his own party. Santorum isn't conservative enough for some and his stance on birth control will keep him from winning over independents.
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Post by sgtjer on Feb 18, 2012 9:20:20 GMT -5
My sense is that Obama is gaining as the repubs decline, and I can't portray the primary as anything but a net loss for the repubs in general. Romney may not be anyone's first choice over there, but an examination of the alternatives has left them with no other option.
The rest would likely carry enough baggage to allow Obama to beat them with one hand behind his back.
Romney might not win either, but he has a fighting chance with centrists, and the general election usually favors a centrist tilt.
And that's all fine with me .... IMO the Tea Party has forced the repubs to go radical right, and they're paying the price. They hate their best option, and are likely to be their own downfall.
Poetic justice IMO ...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2012 10:10:48 GMT -5
I am beginning to doubt Romney's ability to go centrist enough... given that he is being forced in the primary to go further and further right... sound bites don't die... they will be recycled, and any attempt to walk back in a few months would only prove more ammunition for his 'flip-flopping' nature...
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Post by zipity on Feb 18, 2012 10:49:32 GMT -5
I am beginning to doubt Romney's ability to go centrist enough... given that he is being forced in the primary to go further and further right...
Having watched Romney in his Massachusetts campaigns, he will go where ever the votes are. Right now he needs to go right to fight the fight with Newt and Santorum however if he wins the nomination (IMO) you will see him track left moving from the loony right to just right of center. If you look at the campaign he ran to win as Gov of MA and then look at the change he made within a year as he decided he wanted to run for president you'll realize just how 'flexible' he is. That said, he won't make it easy for Obama. He really does understand business, he's very smart and he has the ability to work across the aisle with democrats. I don't think he'll win but he could make it a race.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 18, 2012 11:15:18 GMT -5
Mitt Romney is a cutout plastic politican as Obama was. He reminds me of a slick car salesman. he reminds me way more of Bush, but without the long string of business failures.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 18, 2012 11:16:37 GMT -5
the general public is feeling "Anyone but Obama" and I think they are concentrating on that mantra now.Which general public is that? indeed. even the GOP is not quite on that boat- though admittedly some are. and equally, probably 1/3 of America will vote for Obama no matter who the GOP runs.
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Post by zipity on Feb 18, 2012 11:41:00 GMT -5
he reminds me way more of Bush, but without the long string of business failures.
He's a lot smarter than Bush and unlike Newt, Romney can come across as someone with family values.
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Post by usaone on Feb 20, 2012 8:55:52 GMT -5
Well, Santorum brought up the Bible over the weekend. Didnt take him long.
A Social Conservative and a fiscal Liberal. Maybe in 2016 we will get our act together.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2012 10:27:25 GMT -5
Teehee. They poked the bear. He can't help himself.
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