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Post by formerroomate99 on Feb 8, 2012 13:00:20 GMT -5
A baby's head is much bigger than the parts of a breast pump, and is also not see through, like many breast pump parts are. So even if the cover gets thrown off, a woman breastfeeding a baby won't show that much, but you can pretty much see everything through a breat pump parts.
Also, a lot of us who pump are not even remotely comfortable nursing in public. I never was.
There's also the issue of what is more proper at work. Many of us tend to dress more conservatively at work than we do when we go out, out of politeness to our male coworkers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2012 13:03:54 GMT -5
Ok. I don't know. That's why I'm asking. What IS the difference in regards to needing privacy or not caring who sees you? Not every breast feeding mother is comfortable "whipping it out"(as you put it), and having the infant 'latch on". the only people I ever let see me breastfeed were DH, the lactation consultant at the hospital, .... and I think that's it. No, not even my mom saw me nurse. ETA: I only pumped for about a week after I went back to work. Luckily my employer supplies a "sick room" which female workers also use as a pump room. I never had a problem getting in and using it.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Feb 8, 2012 13:04:41 GMT -5
At my previous job, I had a coworker who pumped in her cube. She was very comfortable - she'd post a little sign and turn her back to the door. But everyone else felt like they couldn't turn from their computer monitor as long as that whirring noise was going on. I told my boss I would start pumping in my cube when the lock got removed from the door of the room I was using. I wasn't serious, but apparently he thought I was. I was immediately granted access to a server room on another floor. Honestly, I would rather pump in my car than subject my male coworkers to that.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 8, 2012 13:06:23 GMT -5
The noise of the pump used to drive me INSANE, it was like Edgar Allen Poe's, The Bells. I can understand why anyone sitting next to me doesn't want to hear it three times a day.
No problem Green Eye, it's not an issue I really understood either until I needed to pump myself. It's easy to say "Just use any room with a lock" until you realize that that room has to be shared by everyone else you work with. The needs and respect for your fellow employees needs to be considered as well.
A lot of big employers around here are already offering lacation rooms, some even provide pumps and all you have to do is bring the gear.
So there must be something these employers are getting out of making these things available long before they were told they had to.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2012 13:07:43 GMT -5
That better be once nice chair. If construction is involved to create this room, this might indeed cause an employer to lay off an employee. That better be one nice room.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2012 13:10:10 GMT -5
That better be one nice room. The government will make sure it's one nice room. Fine art would make the experience more enjoyable.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Feb 8, 2012 13:11:29 GMT -5
That better be once nice chair. If construction is involved to create this room, this might indeed cause an employer to lay off an employee. Yeah, but really, how many places that have 50 employees don't already have at least one conference room, or a closet, or a server room? All you need is a room with a chair and lock on the door and a plug. Even with the conference room thing, all you have to do is not schedule meetings during pumping times, no big deal, since pumping is 20 minutes, once or twice a day per employee. Putting a lock on an existing door isn't that expensive.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2012 13:11:34 GMT -5
it will definitely need marble countertops.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Feb 8, 2012 13:13:11 GMT -5
I'm guessing not having employees pumping in their cubes is a big factor.
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Post by cme1201 on Feb 8, 2012 13:14:08 GMT -5
If construction is involved to create this room, this might indeed cause an employer to lay off an employee. That better be one nice room. Permit cost to add a 7x7 room in our local low income clinic was $4200.00 based on the value of the whole building 385,000.00. Not really a nice room just expenses that go into construction.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2012 13:14:48 GMT -5
That better be one nice room. Permit cost to add a 7x7 room in our local low income clinic was $4200.00 based on the value of the whole building 385,000.00. Not really a nice room just expenses that go into construction. Move the clinic down south.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2012 13:15:25 GMT -5
Employee satisfaction and loyalty?
Assuming you value the contributions of your female employees of childbearing age, enticing them to return to work is probably worth it to most employers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2012 13:15:52 GMT -5
That better be one nice room. Permit cost to add a 7x7 room in our local low income clinic was $4200.00 based on the value of the whole building 385,000.00. Not really a nice room just expenses that go into construction. $4200... so that's, what, 1/10th of a job eliminated to build that room?
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Post by cme1201 on Feb 8, 2012 13:16:33 GMT -5
If construction is involved to create this room, this might indeed cause an employer to lay off an employee. Yeah, but really, how many places that have 50 employees don't already have at least one conference room, or a closet, or a server room? All you need is a room with a chair and lock on the door and a plug. Even with the conference room thing, all you have to do is not schedule meetings during pumping times, no big deal, since pumping is 20 minutes, once or twice a day per employee. Putting a lock on an existing door isn't that expensive. I used where I work as an example. Large amounts of employee's yet small office staff, office was designed for the needed amount of room. There are lots of small construction firms who have large numbers of employee's and limited office staff.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2012 13:17:10 GMT -5
Employee satisfaction and loyalty? Assuming you value the contributions of your female employees of childbearing age, enticing them to return to work is probably worth it to most employers. we all know that women are useless once they've popped out a kid. Just relegate them to their homes where they can be barefoot and, um, nursing. ;D
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 8, 2012 13:18:11 GMT -5
That's what they did here with the exception of the nursing school becasue it was already being remodeled anyhow. They just coverted unused storage rooms into lacation rooms, the one in University Tower used to be an unused patient room.
All that is in them are chairs, drapes and a place to set your pump with a plug underneath. There is a TV in the UT one but that is because it used to be a patient room at some point. Some are as simple as a one pump station depending on where it is located on campus.
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Post by cme1201 on Feb 8, 2012 13:18:49 GMT -5
Permit cost to add a 7x7 room in our local low income clinic was $4200.00 based on the value of the whole building 385,000.00. Not really a nice room just expenses that go into construction. $4200... so that's, what, 1/10th of a job eliminated to build that room? No, it was 4200.00 in permit fees to add a 7x7 room to an existing clinic that was valued at 385,000.00. In time and Material it cost 3,600.00 for the metal stud drywall and finishing, another 4,800 for electrical and HVAC. The largest single cost was the permit fee.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2012 13:20:13 GMT -5
$4200... so that's, what, 1/10th of a job eliminated to build that room? The largest single cost was the permit fee. Move the clinic down south. that kind of permit fee is a tell tale sign of a liberal town.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2012 13:20:43 GMT -5
okay, so that's $12,600. I guess that could be someone's salary if they were making a little over $6/hour...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2012 13:23:24 GMT -5
Son had to pay 1K+ for a permit to just put up a business road sign no wider than 10 feet. This didn't include getting GOVERNMENT REQUIRED engineered plans drawn up, which I have no idea the cost. move down south.
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Post by cme1201 on Feb 8, 2012 13:23:47 GMT -5
okay, so that's $12,600. I guess that could be someone's salary if they were making a little over $6/hour... I'm not argueing that it will/won't cost jobs. I am stating that it can be a burden on small businesses.
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Post by cme1201 on Feb 8, 2012 13:25:05 GMT -5
The largest single cost was the permit fee. Move the clinic down south. that kind of permit fee is a tell tale sign of a liberal town. I go any farther south next stop is Cuba. I'm in Florida, America's wang.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2012 13:25:08 GMT -5
What difference would that make? The south is more conservative and would never charge that kind of outrages fee for a permit.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2012 13:25:44 GMT -5
Move the clinic down south. that kind of permit fee is a tell tale sign of a liberal town. I go any farther south next stop is Cuba. I'm in Florida, America's wang. Florida doesn't count. Too many rich liberal northerners live there. Move to the real south.
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Post by cme1201 on Feb 8, 2012 13:25:45 GMT -5
Son had to pay 1K+ for a permit to just put up a business road sign no wider than 10 feet. This didn't include getting GOVERNMENT REQUIRED engineered plans drawn up, which I have no idea the cost. Depending on your location around the 200-500 mark for a simple design.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2012 13:32:04 GMT -5
okay, so that's $12,600. I guess that could be someone's salary if they were making a little over $6/hour... I'm not argueing that it will/won't cost jobs. I am stating that it can be a burden on small businesses. yeah, but small businesses are less likely to make any special accomodations for anyone.
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Post by cme1201 on Feb 8, 2012 13:35:26 GMT -5
I'm not argueing that it will/won't cost jobs. I am stating that it can be a burden on small businesses. yeah, but small businesses are less likely to make any special accomodations for anyone. It isn't a special accomodation as it is law of the land.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2012 13:36:25 GMT -5
The small construction companies I knew let their female employees go as soon as they lose their attractiveness, anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2012 13:38:18 GMT -5
and I'm sure hoots and hollers went down by 80%.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 8, 2012 13:40:52 GMT -5
It's much easier to be discreet when you are nursing a child. Only part of one breast is exposed and the nipple is covered. Most women at work use a double pump. I have no desire to see another woman's nipples dragged an inch down the cup in a rhythmic fashion. Call me crazy. You're crazy!! Now, may be a stupid question, but why would a woman even want to pump at work? Isn't that something better done at home?
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