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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 4, 2012 19:12:10 GMT -5
Newt did something this week that for me is almost unforgivable. I'm a stickler for being on time, and being where you're supposed to be when you're supposed to be there. Tonight, I read something that is really, really bad about Newt: reddogreport.com/Dude, you're at a money disadvantage- how much does it cost to make news by meeting with a popular governor and maybe picking up an endorsement? I wonder if tonight's press conference will mark the end of Newt's campaign?
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Post by Don Perignon on Feb 4, 2012 23:32:03 GMT -5
Of all the crap sticking to Gingrich, you decided that his missing a photo-opp with a republican governor is the fulcrum that will decide the upcoming Republican nomination for the Presidency?
Are republicans really as shallow and trivial as you portay them to be?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 5, 2012 0:08:55 GMT -5
Yeah- that goes directly to being disciplined.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 5, 2012 8:48:00 GMT -5
What Newt does is of little interest to most people. He says and does the wrong things too often. A loose cannon. Perhaps it is unfair but if you plan to run for public office, a high one, perhaps you shouldn't be such a serial cheater and there's no way in hell his latest strumpet is going to be first mistress. He is also unelectable.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2012 12:51:57 GMT -5
Newt seems to have gone from having constructive ideas to being primarily focused on attacking Romney. Seems almost like his true nature is coming out as he starts to feel the pressure. Starting to like him less and less. ----------------------------------------
"Perhaps it is unfair but if you plan to run for public office, a high one, perhaps you shouldn't be such a serial cheater "
Unfair? Yes. After all, he wouldn't be the first serial cheater to become President.
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Post by handyman2 on Feb 5, 2012 13:32:34 GMT -5
Newt needs money. Money comes with endorsements. It is a full circle process. Missing a chance for an endorsement can be costly.
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Post by ugonow on Feb 5, 2012 13:35:10 GMT -5
IMO, Newt is screwing up by making this a personal vendedatta against Romney instead of trying to convince people he would make a good president...example---<<<"Gingrich: Romney didn't deserve congrats (CNN) – In some of his harshest words yet, Newt Gingrich explained Friday why he didn't call rival Mitt Romney after the former Massachusetts pulled a decisive Florida primary victory earlier in the week.
Pointing to Romney's post-South Carolina campaign strategy, which turned noticeably negative against the former House speaker, Gingrich said Romney didn't earn any kudos.
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"They outspent me five to one to quote destroy Newt Gingrich?" Gingrich said in an interview on CNN's "The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer." "You know, I think that doesn't deserve congratulations. I think that's reprehensible, I think it's dishonest, and I think it's shameful."
Gingrich took heat over not making the call after Romney's win on Tuesday, given that the former Massachusetts governor had congratulated Gingrich for his South Carolina win just 10 days prior.
Meanwhile, Romney's other rivals, Rick Santorum and Ron Paul, both picked up the phone on Tuesday.
"The other candidates all called, but I guess Speaker Gingrich doesn't have our phone number," Romney said Wednesday on NBC's "Today."
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Post by reasonfreedom on Feb 5, 2012 13:39:13 GMT -5
Newt is screwing up by thinking he should be in a role model position like the POTUS. The president should have morals and ethics, so your kids can't come back and say "hey I don't have to be ethical you voted for a unethical president. What makes your choices any better than mine?". Parents that vote for Gingrich are just giving their children ammunition.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 5, 2012 16:00:53 GMT -5
Other than Clinton, voters did not know about serial cheaters. Kennedy was well hidden.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2012 16:43:26 GMT -5
A loose cannon.
I've always loved that expression. In general being a loose cannon is viewed as a bad thing, but I don't view it that way. I would much rather have a loose cannon in the white house than a cannon that was permanently aimed at destroying our form of government like we have now. Of course that's just me & I don't look at it from the socialist point of view.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 5, 2012 16:56:44 GMT -5
I don't either but I need to respect the POTUS.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 5, 2012 19:43:03 GMT -5
Well, I think if Newt hasn't imploded yet- he has imploded after Florida. I'm pretty sure they're updating the online dictionary so that next to "Flailing" there's a video of Newt's press conference. I'll give it to Mitt- when it was clear that he was losing in the last primary to McCain, Mitt Romney bowed out and kept it classy. Newt is a powerful idea man, and I probably like him because I relate to him-- however, at some point in my shiny object, ADD, idea-a-minute life, I had to find some focus and discipline. I'm not writing him off- that's proven to be dangerous. I'm still supporting him. But I am not expecting much.
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Post by handyman2 on Feb 5, 2012 19:57:49 GMT -5
PBP; that is a lot of if an's and buts in your last post. He He. kind of reminds me of the people on the titanic who said but it is unsinkable, isn't it. Unfortunately I think he is going to sink this time.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 5, 2012 21:37:23 GMT -5
I'm disappointed. The worst part is that if Romney is in- and he is- I'm out. I won't have a horse in the race. I am not going to carry water for that idiot like I did for McCain-- even though I defended him, I didn't vote for him. This time, I just don't know how I will support the GOP candidate in any capacity.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 5, 2012 22:19:56 GMT -5
I'm disappointed. The worst part is that if Romney is in- and he is- I'm out. I won't have a horse in the race. I am not going to carry water for that idiot like I did for McCain-- even though I defended him, I didn't vote for him. This time, I just don't know how I will support the GOP candidate in any capacity. Paul, it will be interesting to see how 3rd parties play out this year.
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Post by handyman2 on Feb 5, 2012 23:01:18 GMT -5
With Romney does run against Obama He must get his act together or Obama will out perform him in the debates and possibly win a second term. Shudder the thought. Obama has shown an arrogance with dealing with Congress in my opinion and if he wins a second term it will only get worse. Again in my personal opinion.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 5, 2012 23:58:09 GMT -5
IMHO, if Romney doesn't run as right wing a campaign as Ann "I asked my husband for an open marriage because I'm in love with Mitt Romney" Coulter said he would- there will be a third party run for sure. If Romney leaves so much as a millimeter gap on his right- it'll get filled. Now, OTOH, if Romney does run to the right in the general election, Obama might get his worst nightmare: Some 'sensible', 'moderate', Adlai Stevenson type might run and that'll be the end of Obama. We'll see. I still do not trust Mitt. I don't think he's serious about repealing ObamaCare. I don't trust him not to cave on raising taxes- let alone actually reforming the tax code, and cutting taxes. I don't see him reforming entitlements, eliminating czars, rolling back executive orders, opening up the energy spigot, repealing Dodd-Frank, repealing Sarbanes-Oxley-- I mean there is some major shit that needs to happen yesterday, and Romney is as tepid a candidate as I've ever seen.
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Post by 2kids10horses on Feb 6, 2012 9:10:31 GMT -5
Paul,
You may be right about Romney. He might not get all those things done that you (and I) want.
But one thing is for certain. If Obama wins, they DEFINATELY won't get done.
So, if Romney is the candidate, we have to support him as the lesser evil.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 6, 2012 9:42:00 GMT -5
Paul, You may be right about Romney. He might not get all those things done that you (and I) want. But one thing is for certain. If Obama wins, they DEFINATELY won't get done. So, if Romney is the candidate, we have to support him as the lesser evil. Yeah- I'm still not going to help the GOP establishment. I want them to know that if they give us a RINO, they have to drag his ass across the finish line. Of course. they don't think Obama can be beaten, so if he's not- they'll just go on thinking they know everything. Now, once elected- if that happens- I will be there to hold his feet to the fire-- and he had BETTER repeal ObamaCare. If he doesn't there will be a primary or third party challenge, and if you think the GOP is a mess now...
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Post by reasonfreedom on Feb 6, 2012 10:02:00 GMT -5
I am hoping when Ron Paul goes to the convention that he announces his support for Gary Johnson and gives the GOP establishment a big middle finger. I will admit that the democrats are a bunch of mindless zealots, but the GOP is a bunch of conniving idiots. I hope the third party just throws a huge rock into the gears of the 2-party machine. I want a world of color not black and white.
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Post by swamp on Feb 6, 2012 10:11:27 GMT -5
I keep reading the title as "Newt is screwing the pig"
But I agree with the posters that say this has become a personal vendetta, not a campaign. I'm hearing everything that's bad about Romney, but nothing about why I need to vote for Newt.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 6, 2012 10:17:51 GMT -5
So, if Romney is the candidate, we have to support him as the lesser evil. We don't have to do anything. Look at where supporting the 'lesser evil' gotten us. I don't really give a rats ass if voting for Gary Johnson serves up a victory for Obama on a silver platter....I will not vote RINO.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 6, 2012 10:22:24 GMT -5
I keep reading the title as "Newt is screwing the pig" But I agree with the posters that say this has become a personal vendetta, not a campaign. I'm hearing everything that's bad about Romney, but nothing about why I need to vote for Newt. And you won't. Everybody seems to hate negative campaigns but the fact remains....they win elections. Unfortunately, it leaves the voters "supporting the lesser of two evils".
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 6, 2012 10:23:18 GMT -5
I am hoping when Ron Paul goes to the convention that he announces his support for Gary Johnson and gives the GOP establishment a big middle finger. I will admit that the democrats are a bunch of mindless zealots, but the GOP is a bunch of conniving idiots. I hope the third party just throws a huge rock into the gears of the 2-party machine. I want a world of color not black and white.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Feb 6, 2012 10:25:58 GMT -5
I keep reading the title as "Newt is screwing the pig" But I agree with the posters that say this has become a personal vendetta, not a campaign. I'm hearing everything that's bad about Romney, but nothing about why I need to vote for Newt. a 3 trillion space station on a luscious green moon that a civilization can live off of just in case the sun blows up. Oh wait the moon is closer to the sun at time, /shrug.
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Post by swamp on Feb 6, 2012 10:28:08 GMT -5
I keep reading the title as "Newt is screwing the pig" But I agree with the posters that say this has become a personal vendetta, not a campaign. I'm hearing everything that's bad about Romney, but nothing about why I need to vote for Newt. a 3 trillion space station on a luscious green moon that a civilization can live off of just in case the sun blows up. Oh wait the moon is closer to the sun at time, /shrug. MMmkay, that's a reason not to vote for Newt................
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Post by reasonfreedom on Feb 6, 2012 10:34:32 GMT -5
I live here in SC and talk constantly to the Gingrich voters. When I ask them what they think about the whole ethics and morals issue with Gingrich, all they say is that it would be good to have somebody that can be dirty as President. They keep on bringing up to me the thought "if you want a lawyer you want the most conniving dirtiest lawyer you can find'. I stop talking to them and they smile like they won the argument, but in my head I am thinking " Really? Really? Are you that fricken stupid?" most of these are religious people by the way. If baby jeebus was able to see the future and saw this conversation, I would have to think he would have told his almighty father to just give up. SC might be part of the bible belt, but I think the only education book they read here is the bible and to be honest I don't think they grasp the whole meaning of the message it sends.
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Post by swamp on Feb 6, 2012 10:37:19 GMT -5
So they want to spend their money on fighting for the sake of fighting instead of doing something productive? Way to cut off your nose to spite your face.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Feb 6, 2012 10:39:18 GMT -5
So they want to spend their money on fighting for the sake of fighting instead of doing something productive? Way to cut off your nose to spite your face. Yeah, that is where I am at deciding point. I can't make up my mind if I want to cry or laugh hysterically.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 6, 2012 10:59:13 GMT -5
I keep reading the title as "Newt is screwing the pig" But I agree with the posters that say this has become a personal vendetta, not a campaign. I'm hearing everything that's bad about Romney, but nothing about why I need to vote for Newt. Yeah- it harkens back to the days when Newt was whining about getting a bad seat on Air Force One. I had hoped he had moved on- he has such good ideas. Even the "moon colony" idea, if you listen to his in-depth explanation, isn't a bad idea. He's got to let this personal stuff go.
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