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Post by thyme4change on Feb 2, 2012 12:00:33 GMT -5
My FIL says that potatoes spike his blood sugar, so beans are better. But, those cans of baked beans are just dripping in sugary syrup - so I can't figure that one out.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 2, 2012 12:02:35 GMT -5
I could never figure out my grandma's diet when she was diabetic. She would use Equal in her tea but then made her sandwiches with Wonder Bread. I think eating Wonder Bread cancels out the two teaspoons of sugar you did not put into your tea.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 2, 2012 12:05:49 GMT -5
My FIL can't eat pasta - but carries candy with him, in case his sugar drops too low.
I will say that my MIL is the thinnest of her 6 siblings, and I think it is due to the care and attention that she and my FIL put on their food intake because of the diabetes. That is the only upside I see if my DH follows tradition and becomes diabetic sometime in his 40's.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 2, 2012 12:06:45 GMT -5
Diabetics, if they're careful, can do "trade offs" in their diet to maintain their blood sugar within acceptable limits. If you eat Wonder Bread, but avoid sugar elsewhere, it can work if you do your calculations correctly. Much depends on the individual diabetic.
Refined sugars are converted most quickly to glucose (the only sugar the body uses); however, other sugars are also quickly converted, giving a burst of sugar into the bloodstream. Carbohydrates are converted a bit more slowly, and proteins are converted more slowly than the others. All are, however, converted to glucose for use by the body to nourish cells.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 2, 2012 12:08:36 GMT -5
My FIL can't eat pasta - but carries candy with him, in case his sugar drops too low. I will say that my MIL is the thinnest of her 6 siblings, and I think it is due to the care and attention that she and my FIL put on their food intake because of the diabetes. That is the only upside I see if my DH follows tradition and becomes diabetic sometime in his 40's. Frankly, a diabetic diet isn't bad for anyone. It's particularly useful for those who are really trying to lose weight.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 2, 2012 12:09:28 GMT -5
My grandma didn't do a very good job with her diet. Part of why she died was due to diabetes complications from her poor diet.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 2, 2012 12:09:43 GMT -5
Don't take away my pasta.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 2, 2012 12:17:51 GMT -5
My in-laws opened a can of baked beans and while doing so said that they eat them several times a week because when they do, his sugar is more even. I don't check their facts - just smile and nod.
I do eat the whole wheat pasta now that it is easier to get. But I'm in the normal weight range. I'm not the one we are worrying about - well, at least not until I get cancer.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 2, 2012 12:19:25 GMT -5
My grandma didn't do a very good job with her diet. Part of why she died was due to diabetes complications from her poor diet. That's true for a lot of folks, dramaq. Unfortunately, some just can't give up the foods they love, and will go through all sorts of machinations trying to avoid the necessity of doing so. It rarely works. These days, there are quite a few foods available that can satisfy the cravings for sweets, or carbohydrates, without playing hell with the blood sugar to quite such a severe degree as years ago. Still, we see people often who just aren't willing to do what they must do to keep their diabetes under control. For these, the decision lies with them. All we can do is make sure they know the probably consequences of their choices.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 2, 2012 12:21:02 GMT -5
Baked potatoes.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 2, 2012 12:22:03 GMT -5
As I said, lonewolf, to the body sugar is sugar. It doesn't differentiate. It converts what comes in to what it needs and goes from there. The problem isn't the type of sugar you eat, it's the amount, just as it's the portions you eat that result in obesity more than the foods you eat. You need to burn off a sufficient number of the calories you take in to maintain a healthy weight. Anyone who eats a nutritious diet and still gets heavy needs to cut portions. Same is true with sugar. If your body isn't able to use it correctly (as in diabetes), you need to be much more careful with what you take in and how much. I disagree. It IS the type of sugar we eat. Refined sugar in any amount is poison. Without the vitamins, proteins and minerals the body can't utilize this refined carbohydrate. In fact, eating it will deplete the body of these needed nutrients. It Are you a dietician, lonewolf? Do you have any formal training in this area? If not, you may disagree all you like. The body turns sugars of all kinds, carbohydrates, and proteins into glucose. Glucose is the only sugar it uses.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 2, 2012 12:23:48 GMT -5
Formal training is a giant conspiracy to brainwash people and keep them from the truth. By the way learning about cellular respiration was boring as dirt. I guess we can tell NIH to stop funding cancer research, all the CDC has to do is tell people to stop eating refined sugar.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 2, 2012 12:24:01 GMT -5
You are not allowed to ask the experience, education or vocation of people because we are all allowed to have an opinion.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 2, 2012 12:25:56 GMT -5
What about naturally occuring sugar, say like in fruits. To the body, sugar is sugar. that is not true. HCFS is processed the same way as alcohol is: as a toxin. do you want me to post a video on this?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 2, 2012 12:25:57 GMT -5
We're not going to have to join hands and sing "Free to be You and me" are we?
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Post by jeep108 on Feb 2, 2012 12:26:35 GMT -5
We all are going to for sure 100% die of something. Out of all the vices to have I will keep my sugar habit. Thanks.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 2, 2012 12:28:18 GMT -5
Moderation is the key... (except for pot, no, I don't think it should be legalized) why not legalize it in the same way that alcohol is legalized?
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 2, 2012 12:29:21 GMT -5
We all are going to for sure 100% die of something. Out of all the vices to have I will keep my sugar habit. Thanks. yr welcome. but diabetes is a shitty way to live, and an even shittier way to die. i will pass, thanks.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 2, 2012 12:30:19 GMT -5
The reason refined sugar is considered less optimal is because of its quick conversion, lonewolf. Diabetics are advised to carry it with them in case their blood sugar drops into a dangerous range. That's because it will convert quickly to the glucose they need. I've not said, nor would I ever say, a good diet isn't important. It is. However, sugar is not a poison, and it doesn't feed cancer cells exclusively. You're misleading people, and that can be dangerous. It's important to understand how the body functions and how it deals with food intake before you make absolute statements in that area.
What experts, by the way?
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 2, 2012 12:32:30 GMT -5
We all are going to for sure 100% die of something. Out of all the vices to have I will keep my sugar habit. Thanks. It's not a problem for me, either, jeep, although I'm not one to eat a lot of it all the time. Fortunately, my body handles glucose quite well despite a family background of diabetes. At 70, I have no problem with glucose metabolism. Those who do must be a lot more careful. Glad you're not one of them!
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 2, 2012 12:38:49 GMT -5
The quinoa is also supposed to be excellent for migraines. I need to pick it up (magnesium). Ask your doctor first if you take medication for high blood pressure, osteoporosis or osteopenia, diuretics, or have kidney problems, toughtimes. There are some interactions to be concerned with, depending on the medication.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 2, 2012 12:44:45 GMT -5
I don't recognize Dr. William Coda Martin as an expert, lonewolf, and I have considerable training in this area, and must have so many continuing education credits per year to retain my license to practice. Everybody you read who has Dr. in front of their name is not an expert.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2012 12:49:30 GMT -5
The quinoa is also supposed to be excellent for migraines. I need to pick it up (magnesium). Funny you should mention that. I have incorporated Quinoa into my diet for over a year now. I haven't had a migraine in that time either. coincidence? As far as sugar goes, its poison. Thats my opinion based on what I have read. We are poisoning our children, nice eh?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 2, 2012 12:50:06 GMT -5
I don't recognize Dr. William Coda Martin as an expert, lonewolfThat's becasue you are not enlightened enough. I skimmed the link. It is interesting the liberties he takes with his interpretations of data. I know a bit about the sailor data he cites myself and it wasn't due to "OMG they drank rum which is made of sugar! back then sailors were limited in what they could take on a ship so they took mainly what would not spoil and that puts some serious restrictions on your diet. Studies found it was not SUGAR that caused the problems but a severe lack of Vitamin C. Once sailors were stocking citrus on their ships and then stopping off at various islands to restock along the way, scurvy pretty much disappeared. But that information doesn't suit the agenda being pushed, so let's leave that part out.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 2, 2012 12:53:31 GMT -5
I disagree. It IS the type of sugar we eat. Refined sugar in any amount is poison. Without the vitamins, proteins and minerals the body can't utilize this refined carbohydrate. In fact, eating it will deplete the body of these needed nutrients. ---------------------- Ummmm, no. Sugar is sugar is sugar. It's much like people using sea salt exclusively, thinking it's somehow better for them. It isn't. Just because you read something online, doesn't make it true.
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Post by swamp on Feb 2, 2012 12:55:59 GMT -5
I disagree. It IS the type of sugar we eat. Refined sugar in any amount is poison. Without the vitamins, proteins and minerals the body can't utilize this refined carbohydrate. In fact, eating it will deplete the body of these needed nutrients. ---------------------- Ummmm, no. Sugar is sugar is sugar. It's much like people using sea salt exclusively, thinking it's somehow better for them. It isn't. Just because you read something online, doesn't make it true. I've never got the whole salt debate. Salt in Sodium Chloride, and nothing else, so how is one salt better than another?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2012 12:56:13 GMT -5
Sea salt tastes better though. I use sea salt., non iodized sea salt, yum.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 2, 2012 12:56:24 GMT -5
People, really. The body does not recognize any difference between the various sugars. Whatever goes in will be converted to glucose for use by the cells. It's really as simple as that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2012 12:56:59 GMT -5
magnesium deficiency is a major cause of migraines. However, for those "health nuts" among us, soy is a real head-banger too. Mine were of the ocular variety.
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Post by swamp on Feb 2, 2012 12:57:08 GMT -5
People, really. The body does not recognize any difference between the various sugars. Whatever goes in will be converted to glucose for use by the cells. It's really as simple as that. That's what I remember learning in Biology 101 in college. Maybe things have changed since then?
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