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Post by EVT1 on Feb 1, 2012 22:49:02 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 1, 2012 23:01:44 GMT -5
he is so ill informed. Americans don't live longer than people in other countries, and our life expectancy is dropping.
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Post by dumdeedoe on Feb 1, 2012 23:42:47 GMT -5
LOL yep we are in trouble, no legal restraint on monopoly medicine cost and then Obama/Romney care making you a law breaker if you don't pay the load..............
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Post by formerexpat on Feb 1, 2012 23:47:02 GMT -5
Excluding murder & car accidents (not indicative of a system), Americans do live longer than people in other countries. And that's even though we live a much worse lifestyle than our European and Asian counterparts. Life expectancy is also still increasing too. www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-11/u-s-life-expectancy-climbs-as-homicide-cancer-deaths-decline.htmlOur cancer survival rates among all types of cancer is superior to every country in the world. If cancer isn't something we care too much about treating and we want survival rates to go down, then that's a very, very easy place to save money.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 2, 2012 0:04:29 GMT -5
Our cancer survival rates among all types of cancer is superior to every country in the world. --------- Sure they are, sweetie. An assessment by Health Canada found that cancer mortality rates are almost identical in the two countries.[122] Another international comparison by the National Cancer Institute of Canada indicated that incidence rates for most, but not all, cancers were higher in the U.S. than in Canada during the period studied (1993–1997). Incidence rates for certain types, such as colorectal and stomach cancer, were actually higher in Canada than in the U.S.[123] In 2004, researchers published a study comparing health outcomes in the Anglo countries. Their analysis indicates that Canada has greater survival rates for both colorectal cancer and childhood leukemia, while the United States has greater survival rates for Non-Hodgkin's lymphoma as well as breast and cervical cancer.[113] -wiki
I realise it's an older article, but since then, our survival rates have continued to improve.
What with this need Americans have with being the best at everything? Seriously...explain it to me. It's not a contest.
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Post by dumdeedoe on Feb 2, 2012 0:17:58 GMT -5
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 2, 2012 0:23:29 GMT -5
Expat said ALL cancer rates, which is untrue. However, if you insist.....YOU"RE BEST AT ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING!!!
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Post by dumdeedoe on Feb 2, 2012 0:26:48 GMT -5
Thanks I feel strangely satisfied now.......
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Post by EVT1 on Feb 2, 2012 0:48:12 GMT -5
Excluding murder & car accidents (not indicative of a system), Americans do live longer than people in other countries. He he- that is the number one explanation for health care disparity perpetuated by the right wing and has been proven false numerous times. Anyway- not the point really- it was Santorum's verbal vomit. Apparently health care for special needs children should be allocated by economic ability, and, if necessary denied. No free rides!
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 2, 2012 0:50:56 GMT -5
Thanks I feel strangely satisfied now....... In which case, this should satisfy you even more.... Not only do you have the best healthcare on the planet, but your kids are the best-educated in the world, and most of you aren't obese.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 2, 2012 0:52:53 GMT -5
Anyway- not the point really- it was Santorum's verbal vomit. Apparently health care for special needs children should be allocated by economic ability, and, if necessary denied. No free rides! --------------------- Santorum is an ass.
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Post by vandalshandle on Feb 2, 2012 1:26:38 GMT -5
Santorum may be an ass, but he was smart enough to avoid total humiliation of the Forida primary, so he did his taxes 3 months early at home....
Actually, I suspect that the Holiday Inn would not extend him any more credit.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 2, 2012 8:08:01 GMT -5
he is so ill informed. Americans don't live longer than people in other countries, and our life expectancy is dropping. I'd say that has more to do with the number of Big Macs (et al) that Americans shovel down their gullet than inadequate health care.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 2, 2012 8:48:07 GMT -5
Um, no "elitist scumbags" are people that think price controls work. In reality, what price controls ultimately do is make it so you can't get the drug at all, no matter what you're willing to pay. In fact, probably 80% of the reason we are in the healthcare mess we're in today is government wage and price controls dating back to World War II- but I don't expect liberals to know that, or acknowledge it if they do know.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Feb 2, 2012 9:13:09 GMT -5
I recall as a child under the age of 10, that would be prior to 1965, we were very low income, living paycheck to paycheck and my siblings and I got regular medical care all paid for in cash.
Note this was before big, unwieldy govt social programs were put in place that caused the cost of medical care to skyrocket.
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Post by rockon on Feb 2, 2012 9:24:20 GMT -5
I saw a report a year or so ago that claimed Americans could reduce our national health care costs by about 70% just with improved diet and exercise. Now if our government would have or could do their job of not allowing some of the acquisitions and mergers that have created monopolies within our health care, pharmaceutical and insurance companies I'm pretty sure we could improve that percentage even more and that's with out any new taxes, borrowed money, or forced insurance mandates. Our country could enjoy improved health, productivity, quality of life, improved relations with Canadian posters and reduce a major part of our deficit without borrowing more against our children's future.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Feb 2, 2012 9:27:49 GMT -5
improved relations with Canadian posters We love our Canadien posters.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 2, 2012 9:34:58 GMT -5
....my very liberal state....individual policy alone costs a MINIMUM of $800.00 a month.... You're not seeing any connection there, are you. Sounds to me like you're living in the wrong state.
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Post by rockon on Feb 2, 2012 9:50:31 GMT -5
You gotta leave the Canadians alone because they are part of a dwindling group of nations that we can count on for help in a crises.
I love Canada. Especially the fishing. It's the best! We try to take the kids up at least once a year to enjoy the great outdoors up there. It's probably also good for our health!.... Makes me wonder how much our health care costs would go down if we all stopped for a fishing trip once in a while? They have also done some things that have kept their drug costs much lower then ours but I'm not convinced their medical services are better or more accessible. I still know people who come here for major operations. I however don't think calling anyone "elitist scumbags" is beneficial to solving any problem and might even suggest that the situation in our government is only heightened by such immature name calling.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 2, 2012 10:23:56 GMT -5
Excluding murder & car accidents (not indicative of a system) how so? are you saying that there is no relationship between health issues such as drug addiction and car accidents? are you saying that poverty has no impact on murder rates?
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 2, 2012 10:24:42 GMT -5
he is so ill informed. Americans don't live longer than people in other countries, and our life expectancy is dropping. I'd say that has more to do with the number of Big Macs (et al) that Americans shovel down their gullet than inadequate health care. i never claimed it was due to "inadequate" healthcare- only that Santorum has his facts wrong.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 2, 2012 10:29:16 GMT -5
I saw a report a year or so ago that claimed Americans could reduce our national health care costs by about 70% just with improved diet and exercise. yet when the first lady mentions it, she is accused of being a fascist.
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Post by rockon on Feb 2, 2012 10:44:31 GMT -5
Mentioning it doesn't make her a fascist. As a matter of fact awareness of this could have a huge impact on the problem. Now if there is talk of starting a department, appointing a czar, appropriating funds, blaming congress, signing executive orders then I would start to have a problem. Most problems in this country can only be fixed by the people themselves at no cost. You can't legislate problems away at any cost.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2012 11:26:37 GMT -5
You gotta leave the Canadians alone because they are part of a dwindling group of nations that we can count on for help in a crises. Which is why the prez. killed the keystone pipeline.
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Post by usaone on Feb 2, 2012 14:08:55 GMT -5
Did they kill the pipeline or delay it?
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Post by cme1201 on Feb 2, 2012 16:01:41 GMT -5
They effectively killed that proposal, but NOT the pipeline. Keystone immediately started drafting a new one as soon as that one was scrubbed. There will be a pipeline south to Texas. Or to Canada's west coast to ship the oil to China.
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Post by cme1201 on Feb 2, 2012 16:40:31 GMT -5
There will be both cme. The one to the west coast was always part of the Keystone plan. Our Canadian friends did not want to be held hostage to buyers from just one market. I don't believe that this is correct dem. Canada has zero oil exports to China, No pipeline plans had been submitted for a westward pipeline until Obama turned down the Keystone project. In July when the "war" over keystone was heating up, Chinesse firms were buying stake in Canadian assets to the tune of 5.5b. ETA: Link business.financialpost.com/2012/02/02/harpers-oil-pitch-to-china-faces-big-hurdles/?__lsa=058803bd
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 2, 2012 16:46:08 GMT -5
Well, as long as you don't have a strong point of view...
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 2, 2012 17:03:22 GMT -5
As a quick aside, when comparing cancer survival rates between nations with public healthcare and those without, you have to realize that the former considers a sample space of everyone—the impoverished, the elderly, the chronically unemployed, ex drug addicts, convicts, single moms on shoestring budgets, etc. included—while the latter considers a sample space of individuals sufficiently wealthy or exceptionally well-insured so as to be able to afford treatment for 5 years. In other words, if you were to look at the median income of the two sets of patients, the latter would be significantly higher. And the correlation between wealth and life expectancy... well...
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 2, 2012 18:37:28 GMT -5
As a quick aside, when comparing cancer survival rates between nations with public healthcare and those without, you have to realize that the former considers a sample space of everyone—the impoverished, the elderly, the chronically unemployed, ex drug addicts, convicts, single moms on shoestring budgets, etc. included—while the latter considers a sample space of individuals sufficiently wealthy or exceptionally well-insured so as to be able to afford treatment for 5 years. In other words, if you were to look at the median income of the two sets of patients, the latter would be significantly higher. And the correlation between wealth and life expectancy... well...Excellent point, Virgil! I'd give you a karma if I gave out karmas.
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