Shifting Tides in the GOP Race

[djAdvocate]

Perry is heading for trouble, imo.

Romney is +3% in the last few weeks, and now trails Perry by only 4%. This early in the race, that is NOT a good sign for Perry.

But that is not the only threat that is coming. Cain actually polled third in the last FOX Poll, and is now in third place, tied with wunderkind Gingrich, who has quietly been building support.

It looks like Ron Paul is heading back to his historic 6% support, and that the rest of the field is just not garnering the required attention.

I am starting to think that Palin is NOT running. Her statements this week indicate that she is starting to think she can do more good outside of Washington (which actually fits in quite well with her outlook).

So, it looks like Romney is heading back on top this fall, and it remains to be seen whether Cain and Gingrich can bump it up to the next level.

If anyone has any strong opinions about Cain, I would be interested in hearing them.

added note for the Obama fans: Obama has widened his lead over all of the major candidates over the last few weeks. his latest generic poll shows him at a draw- which is his best showing in well over a month (since the end of the Osama bounce).

[Phoenix84]

I like Cain, but I don't think he has the name recognition to win. Plus he's never been in politics before, so he may have a hard time selling his experience.

Though to be fair we did elect a freshmen senetor with no name recognition to president of the United states.....

[Don Perignon]

"Shifting tides"?
Seems to me that the GOP problem is "Low tide".
Bush/CHENEY ran us aground, and the only thing the GOP has accomplished since then is blocking the Dems from doing anything, and attempting to blame the bush/CHENEY mess on Pres. Obama.

[Don Perignon]

Sept 29, 2011 23:46:57 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

I like Cain, but I don't think he has the name recognition to win. Plus he's never been in politics before, so he may have a hard time selling his experience.

Though to be fair we did elect a freshmen senetor with no name recognition to president of the United states.....

I say "Cain" has plenty of name recognition... "Cain" is mentioned right at the beginning of Genesis.

[weltschmerz]

I am starting to think that Palin is NOT running. Her statements this week indicate that she is starting to think she can do more good outside of Washington (which actually fits in quite well with her outlook).
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Palin seems to be throwing her support behind some guy named "Herb Cain". I wonder who that is??
gop12.thehill.com/2011/09/palin-sends-more-mixed-signals.html

[djAdvocate]

Sept 30, 2011 0:04:33 GMT -5 Don Perignon said:

"Shifting tides"?
Seems to me that the GOP problem is "Low tide".
Bush/CHENEY ran us aground, and the only thing the GOP has accomplished since then is blocking the Dems from doing anything, and attempting to blame the bush/CHENEY mess on Pres. Obama.

did you bother to read the OP?

[ed1066]

Sept 30, 2011 0:04:33 GMT -5 Don Perignon said:

"Shifting tides"?
Seems to me that the GOP problem is "Low tide".
Bush/CHENEY ran us aground, and the only thing the GOP has accomplished since then is blocking the Dems from doing anything, and attempting to blame the bush/CHENEY mess on Pres. Obama.

Can I just call you Warsaw? It's easier to remember...

[handyman2]

Cain is well spoken. You ask him a question he answers it and does not try to change the subject. My guess the final tally will be between Romney and Cain.
The problem for Obama is the economy. Regardless of his numbers he won't win unless they get better quickly.

[ungenteel]

righties are perpetual suspended animation waiting for the next white knight candidate to ride in and rescue them from the growing group of dud candidates

[pdr79]

"did you bother to read the OP? "

I think we can safely answer that.

[Deleted]

and the only thing the GOP has accomplished since then is blocking the Dems from doing anything, and attempting to blame the bush/CHENEY mess on Pres.

How can ANYONE make that statement when Obama controlled the Presidency, Congress, & the House for 2 frickin years? What EXACTLY does it take before liberals will assign responsibility to this mess to Obama?

[luckyme]

Cain has been coming up a lot on the cable financial programs. Seems a lot of the money guys like what they are hearing.

He may not have name recognition, but being black will take care of that. I know so many people voted for Obama just because he was black.

I think it would be interesting if they ran against each other.

I know Christie is being mentioned a lot more as well. So far, I'm not thrilled with any of those "expected" to be the GOP candidate.

[pappyjohn99]

and the only thing the GOP has accomplished since then is blocking the Dems from doing anything, and attempting to blame the bush/CHENEY mess on Pres.

And bills that are passed in the House are never brought before the Senate because Reid doesn't approve. Yea, That's the Republicans fault. Keep chanting those Denocrat buzzwords, maybe someone will believe.

[Mkitty is pro kitty]

How can ANYONE make that statement when Obama controlled the Presidency, Congress, & the House for 2 frickin years?

If democrats had so much control, why was there all that filibustering? And Obama can only control the Presidency, not Congress, BTW. Maybe you should spend more frickin time reading up on what really frickin happened.

What EXACTLY does it take before liberals will assign responsibility to this mess to Obama?

How 'bout since conservatives never assigned Bush any responsibilies when he was President, so fair's fair, so let's all act like Republicans for the same thing. Now give us all a big smile while you a get a taste of your own medicine, Dr. Oldtex.

And bills that are passed in the House are never brought before the Senate because Reid doesn't approve. Yea, That's the Republicans fault.

What does that statement have to do with Republicans blocking progress? Please toggle your "make sense" switch to on.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 30, 2011 12:43:15 GMT -5 luckyme said:

Cain has been coming up a lot on the cable financial programs. Seems a lot of the money guys like what they are hearing.

He may not have name recognition, but being black will take care of that. I know so many people voted for Obama just because he was black.

I think it would be interesting if they ran against each other.

I know Christie is being mentioned a lot more as well. So far, I'm not thrilled with any of those "expected" to be the GOP candidate.

Christie is not running. thanks for your bit on Cain.

[diamonds]

Sept 30, 2011 8:29:34 GMT -5 handyman2 said:

Cain is well spoken. You ask him a question he answers it and does not try to change the subject. My guess the final tally will be between Romney and Cain.
The problem for Obama is the economy. Regardless of his numbers he won't win unless they get better quickly.

Economics is Cain's forte. He is well-spoken and is the only one to come up with a solid tax plan of 9-9-9. Whether you like it or not, he doesn't waffle or dodge and is not arrogant as Romney or Perry. So, he's not the typical cookie-cutter slick lying poitican, and that's why I like him. People say he doesn't have a foreign policy background, but did the current President? He studied law and was a community organizer. Cain meshes well with middle America and so far my vote is for him. The second smartest man in the room, no doubt is Newt, but Cain said if he were President, he would pick Newt as his Vice President. So a perfect package all around. First on the list is getting the budget under control and the economy running again and Cain is the man.

[diamonds]

Sept 30, 2011 9:54:18 GMT -5 @oldtex said:

and the only thing the GOP has accomplished since then is blocking the Dems from doing anything, and attempting to blame the bush/CHENEY mess on Pres.

How can ANYONE make that statement when Obama controlled the Presidency, Congress, & the House for 2 frickin years? What EXACTLY does it take before liberals will assign responsibility to this mess to Obama?

I say oldtex is spot on and I say to those defending this dead end administration: Get your frickng heads out of the sand.
In fact I will karma him again.....

[djAdvocate]

Sept 30, 2011 14:37:42 GMT -5 diamonds said:

Sept 30, 2011 8:29:34 GMT -5 handyman2 said:

Cain is well spoken. You ask him a question he answers it and does not try to change the subject. My guess the final tally will be between Romney and Cain.
The problem for Obama is the economy. Regardless of his numbers he won't win unless they get better quickly.

Economics is Cain's forte. He is well-spoken and is the only one to come up with a solid tax plan of 9-9-9. Whether you like it or not, he doesn't waffle or dodge and is not arrogant as Romney or Perry. So, he's not the typical cookie-cutter slick lying poitican, and that's why I like him. People say he doesn't have a foreign policy background, but did the current President? He studied law and was a community organizer. Cain meshes well with middle America and so far my vote is for him. The second smartest man in the room, no doubt is Newt, but Cain said if he were President, he would pick Newt as his Vice President. So a perfect package all around. First on the list is getting the budget under control and the economy running again and Cain is the man.

thanks, diamonds. has Cain run before?

[weltschmerz]

He may not have name recognition, but being black will take care of that. I know so many people voted for Obama just because he was black.
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I'm sure just as many DIDN'T vote for Obama because he was black.

[rovo]

I just have to laugh with all the negative comments about the GOP primary and all the players moving in and out of contention.

So my rhetorical question is: Isn't this the purpose of the primaries? To separate the wheat from the chaff? By the time the primaries are over a decision will be made and the ticket set in stone. Until then, let's look at the candidates and see if they are any good.

[Deleted]

How can ANYONE make that statement when Obama controlled the Presidency, Congress, & the House for 2 frickin years?



If democrats had so much control, why was there all that filibustering? And Obama can only control the Presidency, not Congress, BTW. Maybe you should spend more frickin time reading up on what really frickin happened.

mkitty that was AFTER the first 2 years & the democrats DID control Congress (enough to push through Obamacare btw) the first 2 years. They controlled EVERYTHING & just spent & spent. You might do a little research & see what constitutes control.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 30, 2011 14:56:20 GMT -5 rovo said:

I just have to laugh with all the negative comments about the GOP primary and all the players moving in and out of contention.

So my rhetorical question is: Isn't this the purpose of the primaries? To separate the wheat from the chaff? By the time the primaries are over a decision will be made and the ticket set in stone. Until then, let's look at the candidates and see if they are any good.

hey, if you like to go to the races, and sit there watching MTV until the ponies are on the home stretch, that is just fine by me.

for me, tho, the center part of the race is the most interesting. that is why i like discussing it.

we will probably end up with the worst possible candidate. that is how it usually goes. but it is interesting to see some of the better ones bouncing around in 3rd and 4th place, and watch what happens to them.

one thing for certain: the spotlight is totally off Bachmann.

[diamonds]

>>>thanks, diamonds. has Cain run before?<<<

Did Obama and what business experience did he have? What were his accomplishments? A 2 year term Senator who voted "present" 90% of the time? Since Pelosi is gone, he is helpless. She was his backbone. I thought I would like Perry, but since his stance on immigration, I have changed my mind. He has the fire, but to argue with Romney about what was in their books was a time waster. It made them both look bad. I believe Romney may get the nomination, but don't like his flip/flopping.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 30, 2011 15:01:14 GMT -5 diamonds said:

>>>thanks, diamonds. has Cain run before?<<<

Did Obama and what business experience did he have?

you took me wrong, diamonds. i don't care about experience. Lincoln had about the same amount of political experience that Obama had. he turned out OK, as far as most people are concerned (not me, but most people).

i was asking if he ran before. did he?

[djAdvocate]

Sept 30, 2011 15:01:14 GMT -5 diamonds said:

I believe Romney may get the nomination, but don't like his flip/flopping.

me neither. and i am astonished at how he has thrown RomneyCare under the bus.

[diamonds]

Sept 30, 2011 8:29:34 GMT -5 handyman2 said:

Cain is well spoken. You ask him a question he answers it and does not try to change the subject. My guess the final tally will be between Romney and Cain.
The problem for Obama is the economy. Regardless of his numbers he won't win unless they get better quickly.

You mean with another jobs bill at a hefty pricetag? Not going to happen. Prince Harry Reid already said it is DOA. It's just a mirage in the desert, the closer you get to a boost in the ecomomy, it disappears.

[djAdvocate]

Cain did run before, breifly in 2000. i don't think his revenue figures are anywhere close to in balance with expenses for his 9-9-9 plan. other than that, i basically like him.

is he for the elimination of the Fed? department of education? what are his positions on the military?

found the answers: no, no position, and he is interventionist, all the way.

i can't buy into his military positions at all. i will stick with Ron Paul.

[Deleted]

How 'bout since conservatives never assigned Bush any responsibilities when he was President, so fair's fair, so let's all act like Republicans for the same thing. Now give us all a big smile while you a get a taste of your own medicine, Dr. Oldtex.

Actually I think President Bush did an "ok" job. Not great by any stretch of the imagination, unless you compare him to Obama. Against Obama he was a genius (but then anyone would look good compared to Obama....even a peanut farmer).

What does that statement have to do with Republicans blocking progress?

And that is the huge difference between Republicans & democrats. Liberal Democrats want European socialism & Republicans want to keep our form of government. European socialism is only "PROGRESS" if your a socialist (unless you consider it a necessary step before Communism).

[djAdvocate]

Sept 30, 2011 15:40:32 GMT -5 @oldtex said:

How 'bout since conservatives never assigned Bush any responsibilities when he was President, so fair's fair, so let's all act like Republicans for the same thing. Now give us all a big smile while you a get a taste of your own medicine, Dr. Oldtex.

Actually I think President Bush did an "ok" job. Not great by any stretch of the imagination, unless you compare him to Obama. Against Obama he was a genius (but then anyone would look good compared to Obama....even a peanut farmer).

it won't surprise you to learn that i think just the opposite. i think that Obama is sort of an average president- neither good nor bad. but i think that Bush was an abject failure- and that makes Obama look a LOT better. there is a good chance he will get re-elected JUST for that reason.

[wyouser]

I have posted this before, after the South Carolina debate, But I would love to see a Cain/Obama presidential debate.