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Post by luckyme on Sept 30, 2011 20:45:09 GMT -5
" Christie is not running. thanks for your bit on Cain. "
He may not be running, but I know there is still a lot of talk about him running. Although it is getting to the point where he needs to commit to it if he choses to run.
Romney is still "expected" to be the front runner, but I would still love to see Cain go up against Obama. I know before, if you weren't in favor of Obama you had to be a racist. What argument will Obama's people use in a Cain vs Obama match up?
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 30, 2011 20:51:27 GMT -5
" Christie is not running. thanks for your bit on Cain. " He may not be running, but I know there is still a lot of talk about him running. Although it is getting to the point where he needs to commit to it if he choses to run. Romney is still "expected" to be the front runner, but I would still love to see Cain go up against Obama. I know before, if you weren't in favor of Obama you had to be a racist. What argument will Obama's people use in a Cain vs Obama match up? I supported Obama and I voted for him. I never said all who were against Obama were racists. Care to retract or modify your statement?
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Post by reformeddaytrader on Sept 30, 2011 21:33:48 GMT -5
if you weren't in favor of Obama you had to be a racist
You could see even racists who are so turned off with the Republican Presidential Candidates vote for Obama in 2012..
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Post by ungenteel on Sept 30, 2011 22:07:49 GMT -5
Are righties gulping with their racial issues ... figure it out .. trace it back to "Nixon's southern Strategy"( Google it if you have doubts) ... which transitioned to "hard hats for Reagan" ... the same thing is still being refined and honed by the repubs ... and is in play today in various formats
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Post by reformeddaytrader on Oct 1, 2011 8:52:44 GMT -5
Are righties gulping with their racial issues ... figure it out ..
I don't think racial issues are considered if you are one of the 14 million out of work or the other 20 million who are underemployed. Or are among the 40 million living below the poverty line.
Or among the disillusioned youths in this country who have been really hurt by this President's economic policies for the past three years..
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Post by handyman2 on Oct 1, 2011 10:03:47 GMT -5
Well I am a southern white male and do not consider myself racist. I wished Obama well when he became President. However it has not worked out well for his term. It is obvious the issues facing us today are just beyond his scope of expertise. It makes no difference if he is African American or was white he would have the same issues. In truth as I see it no matter what the next Presidents ethnic back ground will be they are going to face a long hard road. No person in that office will be able to make our economic problems go away in a short amount of time. The focus on race is just a red herring and a waste of time. It took us a long time to get where we are and a long time to get out.
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Post by luckyme on Oct 1, 2011 10:50:49 GMT -5
" Care to retract or modify your statement? " Well, I certainly wouldn't retract it, as I encountered almost everywhere the year Obama ran. Republicans are a super minority in this area; the Dems have run things around here for generations.
I would modify to say: I know before, some believed if you weren't in favor of Obama you had to be a racist.
It could just have been a tactic in the political arsenal, and I'm sure it will be employed by SOME in the next election.
And I still think it would be interesting what tactic would be used, by some, if it were a Cain vs Obama presidential race.
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Post by luckyme on Oct 1, 2011 10:57:33 GMT -5
" It took us a long time to get where we are and a long time to get out. "
Yes, and there is no political will to truly make the changes that need to be made, and huge numbers of voters who benefit from the current system without realizing the damage it is doing to the country as a whole.
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Post by diamonds on Oct 1, 2011 13:25:57 GMT -5
Well I am a southern white male and do not consider myself racist. I wished Obama well when he became President. However it has not worked out well for his term. It is obvious the issues facing us today are just beyond his scope of expertise. It makes no difference if he is African American or was white he would have the same issues. In truth as I see it no matter what the next Presidents ethnic back ground will be they are going to face a long hard road. No person in that office will be able to make our economic problems go away in a short amount of time. The focus on race is just a red herring and a waste of time. It took us a long time to get where we are and a long time to get out. handyman: Perfectly said and I agree. Right now this administration has reached an impasse and with this attitude, there is no confidence reflected to move forward in any area. It will only affect negatively on Obama and his numbers will keep spiraling down. k
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 1, 2011 15:41:06 GMT -5
" Christie is not running. thanks for your bit on Cain. " He may not be running, but I know there is still a lot of talk about him running. Although it is getting to the point where he needs to commit to it if he choses to run. he has committed- to not running. he is no Sarah Palin.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 1, 2011 15:43:20 GMT -5
Are righties gulping with their racial issues ... figure it out .. trace it back to "Nixon's southern Strategy"( Google it if you have doubts) ... which transitioned to "hard hats for Reagan" ... the same thing is still being refined and honed by the repubs ... and is in play today in various formats Reagan's campaign method was totally different. it was done on the basis of psychological profiles. and it set the standard for campaigns since that time.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 1, 2011 15:44:40 GMT -5
Well I am a southern white male and do not consider myself racist. I wished Obama well when he became President. However it has not worked out well for his term. It is obvious the issues facing us today are just beyond his scope of expertise. It makes no difference if he is African American or was white he would have the same issues. In truth as I see it no matter what the next Presidents ethnic back ground will be they are going to face a long hard road. No person in that office will be able to make our economic problems go away in a short amount of time. The focus on race is just a red herring and a waste of time. It took us a long time to get where we are and a long time to get out. indeed. and i am sure it will not be the last red herring to be brought up on deck. meanwhile, the REAL issues facing this country get little or no attention.
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Post by ungenteel on Oct 1, 2011 17:39:39 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 1, 2011 18:07:06 GMT -5
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Post by diamonds on Oct 1, 2011 22:33:08 GMT -5
<<<issues are dangerous<<<
dj, I agree, although a stronger word for that is explosive. Combined with frustration, who has the best formula for targeting the colossal and all encompassing issues we are facing.
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Post by diamonds on Oct 1, 2011 22:36:55 GMT -5
Who cares? The Republicans are under a microscope for every opinion they utter. Too bad Obama wasn't scrutinized as intently.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 2, 2011 9:55:35 GMT -5
<<<issues are dangerous<<< dj, I agree, although a stronger word for that is explosive. Combined with frustration, who has the best formula for targeting the colossal and all encompassing issues we are facing. i have believed that person to be Ron Paul for the last five years. and yet the disease rolls merrily on.
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Post by cereb on Oct 2, 2011 11:03:00 GMT -5
My prediction, Romney for the republican ticket.
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Post by usaone on Oct 2, 2011 13:42:46 GMT -5
and the only thing the GOP has accomplished since then is blocking the Dems from doing anything, and attempting to blame the bush/CHENEY mess on Pres.How can ANYONE make that statement when Obama controlled the Presidency, Congress, & the House for 2 frickin years? What EXACTLY does it take before liberals will assign responsibility to this mess to Obama? The Recession started in December of 2007. The economy and stock market collapsed in Sept of 2008. The mess that we are in is squarely on the shoulders of the Republicans. Until the oversupply of housing is worked though and all the deleveraging is done, there is not much anyone can do. If you can supply some specifics on what the government could do and how that would affect the housing/deleveraging time line, I'd love to hear it.
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Post by usaone on Oct 2, 2011 13:44:14 GMT -5
Romney gives us the best chance to win.
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Post by formerexpat on Oct 2, 2011 13:58:59 GMT -5
A liberal using the term rock-show pyrotechnics after seeing the 2008 campaign from the current, worthless president. Classic.
Still in denial about the cozy relationship that Frank, Dodd and other prominent Dems had with the GSEs? Forgetful about their "persuasion" of banks to decrease their lending standards from "financially responsible" to "having a pulse"?
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Post by usaone on Oct 2, 2011 14:05:13 GMT -5
We had ample opportunity to change the course on housing and chose not too.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 2, 2011 15:02:39 GMT -5
We had ample opportunity to change the course on housing and chose not too. moreover, Bush ran on the housing bubble in 2004- AND WON. it is another one of those inconvenient truths that many seem to have forgotten.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 2, 2011 15:11:42 GMT -5
what happened with that? 2004-2006 was his big chance. what did he and the GOP do with it?
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Post by formerexpat on Oct 2, 2011 15:22:47 GMT -5
I don't know, I understood S190 out of the 109th Congress was killed by Dodd in 2005...but I will admit that my 24 year old self wasn't nearly as aware politically as I am now.
Do you care to opine since it seems like a leading question?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 2, 2011 18:17:23 GMT -5
I believe it was I on these very message boards that predicted Perry will be a distant memory by Christmas. The Republican nominee will be a conservative. Romney might be able to pull an upset with his money, but my prediction is the TEA Party candidates are going to thin out, and there will be an obvious candidate around which the conservative wing of the party will rally.
Christie can get in, he can stay out- doesn't matter. He's going nowhere. For starters, he's a liberal Republican. He's got some cool soundbites, but he's left of center and no one is in the mood for that shit right now. Less important but every bit the reality- he's fat. He is not physically appealing, and that's a liability-- for better, or for worse, it's a reality of the world we live in.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 2, 2011 18:25:09 GMT -5
Well I am a southern white male and do not consider myself racist. I wished Obama well when he became President. However it has not worked out well for his term. It is obvious the issues facing us today are just beyond his scope of expertise. It makes no difference if he is African American or was white he would have the same issues. In truth as I see it no matter what the next Presidents ethnic back ground will be they are going to face a long hard road. No person in that office will be able to make our economic problems go away in a short amount of time. The focus on race is just a red herring and a waste of time. It took us a long time to get where we are and a long time to get out. handyman: Perfectly said and I agree. Right now this administration has reached an impasse and with this attitude, there is no confidence reflected to move forward in any area. It will only affect negatively on Obama and his numbers will keep spiraling down. k I don't have a racist bone in my body, but I hoped Obama would FAIL from day one, and I'm sad that it took this long for his presidency and his agenda to unravel. I wish he could have been stopped before he created this big a mess.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 2, 2011 19:33:21 GMT -5
I don't know, I understood S190 out of the 109th Congress was killed by Dodd in 2005...but I will admit that my 24 year old self wasn't nearly as aware politically as I am now. Do you care to opine since it seems like a leading question? nope. wasn't a leading question. i was just responding because i know for a fact that it never passed.
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