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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 3, 2011 7:23:15 GMT -5
Remember when liberals claimed Barack Obama was "probably the smartest guy ever to become president" and was "a sort of god"? Today they say "we are watching him turn into Jimmy Carter right before our eyes," and the center point of his presidency is "a disaster." So what changed exactly? Is President Obama really a different man today than he was before he entered the Oval Office? The same Illinois legislator who voted "present" 129 times is now the debt-crisis-AWOL president who refused to present a specific plan of his own. The same presidential candidate who wanted to "spread the wealth" has unleashed redistributionist, collectivist policies on everything from health care and energy supply to runaway Keynesian spending and ever-increasing taxes. Should we be surprised? The president may still win re-election in 2012, of course, but in recent weeks, his approval rating has crumbled, particularly among liberals, to an all-time low of 40 percent in a recent Gallup poll. Another poll shows that even among liberal Democrats, strong support for Mr. Obama's record on jobs has plummeted 22 points, to a paltry 31 percent. The hope and change of 2008 have given way to the joblessness and foreclosures of Obamanomics. The only thing worse than the abject failure of a liberal president, at least in the eyes of the liberal, is the undeniable failure of liberalism itself. To claim Mr. Obama has been a good president no longer even remotely passes the laugh test. Consider the results thus far of the Obama presidency: Two million-private sector jobs have been lost. Unemployment jumped from 7.8 to 9.2 percent with a simply terrible 2011 first-quarter economic growth rate of just 0.4 percent. A record 1 in 7 Americans is on food stamps. Gasoline prices more than doubled, from $1.83 to $3.74 per gallon. National debt increased 35 percent, to $14.5 trillion, or $137,000 for each taxpayer. National unfunded liabilities increased 47 percent, to $114.9 trillion, or a cool $1 million for each taxpayer (and this does not yet include Obamacare). America is on the verge of losing its AAA credit rating. What's worse, and was as easily predictable, is the systematic dishonesty Team Obama unleashed to persuade Americans to tolerate its big-government, collectivist agenda. America is, after all, a center-right nation with nearly 3-to-1 self-described conservatives compared to liberals. How else besides trickery could Mr. Obama further an agenda so unpopular with voters? Witness the dishonesty: The stimulus would keep unemployment below 8 percent. Stimulus funds would go to "shovel-ready" jobs. Obamacare would create 4 million new jobs - 400,000 almost immediately. You could keep your own doctor. The president's mother was denied health insurance. Obamanomics would mean a "net spending cut." www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/2/liberals-unmaking-of-barack-obama/print/
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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 3, 2011 7:26:05 GMT -5
So, as the liberal presidency of Mr. Obama becomes increasingly indefensible, the liberal is faced with an unthinkable dilemma: acknowledge the fundamental failure of his collectivist liberal philosophy, which tends toward socialism, or blame its failures on a single man whom, until just recently, the liberal deified. The conflict between liberal collectivist ideology and its application was easily predictable by anyone who has studied big-government economic failures throughout history, from the collectivist all-stars including Mao's China, Mussolini's Italy, Hitler's Germany or Stalin's Soviet Union to today's honorable mentions such as Castro's Cuba or Chavez's Venezuela. Enforcement of collectivism has always depended on government power, from Stalin's iron-fisted gulags to Mr. Obama's mere heavy-handed plan for punitive fines for failure to purchase your government-imposed health insurance. The degree of autocracy may vary, but still the collectivist road to economic ruin is universal. Here's what I wrote one year ago: "As President Obama's failures mount, there will be an awkward reversal of roles among liberals, and to a lesser degree, among conservatives, that we're already beginning to see. It will be the liberals, rather than the conservatives, who will decry this man as personally incompetent. In the collapse of the social-welfare state, the last bastion for these scoundrels will be to sacrifice their own anointed deity as though it is his personal failures, rather than the inherent deep flaws of statism, that are to blame. Of course, one must ask how valuable an ideology can be if one man, even (or perhaps especially) a flawed man, can destroy it. "Conservatives will then find themselves in the uncomfortable position of defending Barack Obama personally, or at least reminding the liberals of their earlier effusive praise, in order to redirect the blame where it primarily belongs - at the feet of the statist policies themselves. The liberals will be left to explain, of course, how valuable the liberal ideology itself really is if even a learned and godlike leader cannot manage it. Further, if Barack Obama turns out not to be the deity they once claimed, what does that say of the liberals' perception (and honesty) when they eventually anoint another?" This cycle of liberal, cannibalistic personal destruction is the predictable result of the Democrats' cult-of-personality politics. Those purveyors of big-government rule are the mob that Ann Coulter described in her recent book "Demonic," quoting Gustave Le Bon from a century ago, that "knows neither doubt nor uncertainty ... it goes at once to extremes." The absurdity of liberals' deification and then condemnation of their own leaders is second only to their unwillingness to confront the failures of their collectivist philosophy. In the end, Barack Obama's failures as president are not because he couldn't faithfully execute the liberal collectivist philosophy - he ushered in the Obamacare era, after all - his failures are instead because he bought into the failed philosophy in the first place. Dr. Milton R. Wolf is a board-certified diagnostic radiologist and cousin of President Obama. He blogs at MiltonWolf.com. www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011....ck-obama/print/
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2011 8:04:17 GMT -5
They will never acknowledge the abject failure of liberalism.
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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 3, 2011 8:13:51 GMT -5
Obama is proving to be what many said he was @ three years ago, a very weak individual who lacks leadership qualities even his own party is upset with him. Obama stood for single payer health care and he caved, he stood for increased taxes and he caved, and he now stands for only one thing his re election and he speaks today in Chicago at another one of his fund raising dinners..
But to their credit Obama and Biden are not claiming victory with the deficit reduction plan because they only went along with it to prevent a default. Now it is up to the so called Super Committee members to fix our debt problems but for that they will need a lot of luck because the Tea Party could influence their decisions again...IMHO
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Post by handyman2 on Aug 3, 2011 8:20:09 GMT -5
I believe Obama is an intellegent person but the problem is that just because a person may have a very bright mind does not automatically convert into an ability to have leadership qualities. This has been demonstrated many times throughout history.
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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 3, 2011 8:34:35 GMT -5
What is Obama doing about the recent FAA stand off?? Congress is in recess until September so will Obama call them back to resolve this issue?? Millions of $dollars are being held up and airports projects are in a hold pattern for how long??
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Post by Shirina on Aug 3, 2011 8:39:30 GMT -5
LOL! Failure of liberalism.
What, exactly, has Obama done that has been all that liberal? We do not have NHS, there is no national protection of gay marriage rights, the wealth has NOT been redistributed - except to bankers, but conservative Republicans have done the exact same thing, as well. There are now going to be massive cuts to social programs. Obama extended the Bush-era tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans.
Sure ... liberalism failed because it was never applied. If anything, given Obama's track record, it is looking more and more like a failure of conservatism.
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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 3, 2011 8:40:36 GMT -5
LOL! Failure of liberalism. What, exactly, has Obama done that has been all that liberal? We do not have NHS, there is no national protection of gay marriage rights, the wealth has NOT been redistributed - except to bankers, but conservative Republicans have done the exact same thing, as well. There are now going to be massive cuts to social programs. Obama extended the Bush-era tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans. Sure ... liberalism failed because it was never applied. If anything, given Obama's track record, it is looking more and more like a failure of conservatism. President enters predictable free-fall from godlike to Carteresque In the end, Barack Obama's failures as president are not because he couldn't faithfully execute the liberal collectivist philosophy - he ushered in the Obamacare era, after all - his failures are instead because he bought into the failed philosophy in the first place ( Dr. Milton R. Wolf is a board-certified diagnostic radiologist and cousin of President Obama. He blogs at MiltonWolf.com.)
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 3, 2011 9:01:43 GMT -5
LOL! Failure of liberalism. What, exactly, has Obama done that has been all that liberal? We do not have NHS, there is no national protection of gay marriage rights, the wealth has NOT been redistributed - except to bankers, but conservative Republicans have done the exact same thing, as well. There are now going to be massive cuts to social programs. Obama extended the Bush-era tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans. Sure ... liberalism failed because it was never applied. If anything, given Obama's track record, it is looking more and more like a failure of conservatism. President enters predictable free-fall from godlike to Carteresque In the end, Barack Obama's failures as president are not because he couldn't faithfully execute the liberal collectivist philosophy - he ushered in the Obamacare era, after all - his failures are instead because he bought into the failed philosophy in the first place ( Dr. Milton R. Wolf is a board-certified diagnostic radiologist and cousin of President Obama. He blogs at MiltonWolf.com.)Gee P.I. if only you had posted it the first time in bold and italics we would have realized it was TRUTHModified: and underlined, missed that the first time
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Post by jkapp on Aug 3, 2011 9:04:22 GMT -5
LOL! Failure of liberalism. What, exactly, has Obama done that has been all that liberal? We do not have NHS, there is no national protection of gay marriage rights, the wealth has NOT been redistributed - except to bankers, but conservative Republicans have done the exact same thing, as well. There are now going to be massive cuts to social programs. Obama extended the Bush-era tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans. Sure ... liberalism failed because it was never applied. If anything, given Obama's track record, it is looking more and more like a failure of conservatism. LOL...what conservatism?? You wouldn't have debt ceiling problems if conservative policies and legislation were in place. Only spend-happy liberal policies create such issues...
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Post by Cookies Galore on Aug 3, 2011 9:13:59 GMT -5
LOL! Failure of liberalism. What, exactly, has Obama done that has been all that liberal? We do not have NHS, there is no national protection of gay marriage rights, the wealth has NOT been redistributed - except to bankers, but conservative Republicans have done the exact same thing, as well. There are now going to be massive cuts to social programs. Obama extended the Bush-era tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans. Sure ... liberalism failed because it was never applied. If anything, given Obama's track record, it is looking more and more like a failure of conservatism. LOL...what conservatism?? You wouldn't have debt ceiling problems if conservative policies and legislation were in place. Only spend-happy liberal policies create such issues... So Reagan and GW Bush were liberal? Why else would Republican leadership during their administrations vote to raise the debt ceiling multiple times?
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Post by jkapp on Aug 3, 2011 9:49:56 GMT -5
LOL...what conservatism?? You wouldn't have debt ceiling problems if conservative policies and legislation were in place. Only spend-happy liberal policies create such issues... So Reagan and GW Bush were liberal? Why else would Republican leadership during their administrations vote to raise the debt ceiling multiple times? If they raised the debt and spent more than they brought in, then yes. Maybe not liberal in philosophy, but they continued liberal policies and legislation.
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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 3, 2011 9:59:35 GMT -5
Ok what are the new or revised Obama economic plans for a recovery this year and in 2012??? Does he have any since trying to spend his way out of this mess may not be a wise choice.. The FAA just laid for @20,000 construction workers because they don't have the funds to pay for all of the work being done at our nation's airports including one in Barbara Lee's backyard in Oakland CA and she is blaiming the republicans for this issue since blaming Bush doesn't seem to be an excuse anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2011 10:08:53 GMT -5
In the end, Barack Obama's failures as president are not because he couldn't faithfully execute the liberal collectivist philosophy - he ushered in the Obamacare era, after all - his failures are instead because he bought into the failed philosophy in the first place. I think you misunderstand liberals. Like Snerdley says if a plan fails it's because it wasn't ambitious enough - it was held back, crippled, and underfunded by people who aren't visionary enough. So liberals, if they abandon Obama at all, will search for someone who can put their plans in place more aggressively. I have friends who make me look republican and their main gripe is that Obama gives in too much - he's too moderate, too conservative. It's not the philosophy that's incorrect - it's the lack of execution. Obamacare is a failure because it doesn't go far enough - my friends wanted nationalized healthcare like the U.K.'s.
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Post by ugonow on Aug 3, 2011 10:31:03 GMT -5
As are republicans blaming dems for this latest standoff.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 3, 2011 11:03:09 GMT -5
i am still trying to fathom what a president has to do with gas prices.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 3, 2011 11:04:27 GMT -5
LOL! Failure of liberalism. What, exactly, has Obama done that has been all that liberal? We do not have NHS, there is no national protection of gay marriage rights, the wealth has NOT been redistributed - except to bankers, but conservative Republicans have done the exact same thing, as well. There are now going to be massive cuts to social programs. Obama extended the Bush-era tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans. Sure ... liberalism failed because it was never applied. If anything, given Obama's track record, it is looking more and more like a failure of conservatism. LOL...what conservatism?? You wouldn't have debt ceiling problems if conservative policies and legislation were in place. Only spend-happy liberal policies create such issues... a bold statement, but not entirely true, unless you consider our foreign policy "liberal".
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 3, 2011 11:05:33 GMT -5
So Reagan and GW Bush were liberal? Why else would Republican leadership during their administrations vote to raise the debt ceiling multiple times? If they raised the debt and spent more than they brought in, then yes. Maybe not liberal in philosophy, but they continued liberal policies and legislation. why do conservatives continue liberal policies?
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 3, 2011 11:08:26 GMT -5
i am still trying to fathom what a president has to do with gas prices. Such ponderings often result in massive headaches, dj. I recommend Excedrin, but don't exceed the recommended dose. ;D
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 3, 2011 11:12:09 GMT -5
They will never acknowledge the abject failure of liberalism. yeah. that rural electric program. what a complete and utter disaster. we should get rid of child labor laws, too. those things are an impediment to capitalism. workplace and food safety has to go, too. it just drives up the cost of goods. and that national highway system should all be torn up and turned into buggy paths again. better for the environment. and horses produce their own natural fertilizer! we really ought to get blacks and women off the voter roles, too. i don't know what those liberals were thinking when they did that. disaster after disaster after disaster.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 3, 2011 11:14:28 GMT -5
If you receive money you didn't earn by the sweat of your brow, over time, receiving this erodes your very ability to earn it. i agree. all of those fortune 500 CEO's who fail to generate profits at the businesses they run should go without pay. that'll learn 'em.
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Aug 3, 2011 11:16:09 GMT -5
Remember when you could have an intelligent conversation with conservatives? You know, where they actually replied to what you said and they didn't quote some mystery liberal out there? Heck, they even didn't contradict themselves from one sentence to the next and weren't raging hypocrites and didn't need to use buzzwords or routine stereotypes or circle jerking. So what changed exactly? I find him more of a centrist. Oh, and thanks for asking. And let's not forget Republicans doing anything to make him a "one term president," including flushing the US down with it. And I made a challenge yesterday to name all the accomplishments of Boehner. Come on, if Conservatism is so great, this should be easy peasy. Or does this all fit along with Conservatives doing all they can to ruin the economy to make Obama one term? How are the Conservatives doing on this? You know Obama can't just make a bill by himself. You know, 'cause Somalia and other countries on the other side of the spectrum are just doing great, huh? Oh, and Hitler is considered to be mostly on the right, but when dealing with posters here, as Chris Rock would say, that would be like "calling [them] for double dribble." Oh, and earlier I challenged people to find that oh so wonderful capitalist country that was doing great. And surprise, surprise no one could come up with one. You know, if you're trying to sell product A instead of B, sure, part of the strategy is to say how bad B is, but if A is just as bad or worse (until proven otherwise, all you guys got are places like Somalia and 3rd world dictatorships), what's the point? On a related note, Romney is mostly hiding out. Once in a while he'll say something bad about Obama, then at best give some vague statement of what he'd do. Way to show leadership! So, Mkitty, can you name any socialist countries that are doing well? Sure, whenever there's a list of countries with the highest standards of living, socialist Scandanavian countries top the list. Germany is the world's second biggest exporter, and how about even Canada? Hey maybe if you join up with other people here, you can get a group discount with Miss Cleo. Not only are there "mystery liberals" that are quoted, we're also being fascistly treated to being dictated of what we think. Goosetype much? Right, he just caved in for no reason at all. It had nothing to do with filibusters and blue dog democrats. Wow, maybe it's because THEY'RE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AND THAT'S THEIR ROLE AS DEFINED IN THE CONSTITUTION? /? Any more expectations that aren't even what Obama isn't at all obligated to do? This is beyond double dribbling. Well if you keep on expecting things that Obama doesn't have to do (like bill crafting), no wonder it's been a long wait. And remember folks, it's the liberals that are the ones who are supposedly clueless about the Constitution and who expected great things from Obama. Let me guess, you want Obama to put on his cape, fly around the country and fix everything. Or how about blaming Congress for not doing anything and going on vacation? Maybe Obama should tell them to brush their teeth and look both ways before crossing the streets too. Nah, it's just easier to blare out the WAHHHHH OBAMMMMAHHH sirens. Oh, and let me frost this crapola cake: www.opencongress.org/ "Today in Congress August 03, 2011 House: Not In Session Senate: Returns Aug. 5th" Oh lookie, lookie. The Senate returns in two days. Who's in charge of each? Yeah, I thought so. But I guess only passing about a dozen or so bills (mainly having to do with renaming post offices) must be awful hard work! You sure earned it, Republican controlled HoR! Oh, and inb4 the next WAHHHHHHH! OBAMMMMA TAKES SO MUCH VACATION AND PLAYS GOLF!!!1! rant. Here's my next challenge: Using the above statement as a requirement for being a Conservative President, name the latest President that fits such requirement. The debt ceiling has been around since 1917, so good luck with that. Until one is shown, hyuk, I guess all modern presidents are spend happy liberals! Since Reagan tripled the deficit and raised the debt ceiling 18 times, you guys have been worshiping a liberal all this time! Oh, and there are fiscal conservatives and social conservatives, and people can be considered conservative even if they don't meet each and every requirement (i.e. aren't one-dimensional as many conservative arguments), but again, more double dribbling. Shame, shame for calling Saint Ronnie a failure. Now give 1,000 hail Ronnies on your jelly bean rosary and write "ketchup is a vegetable" 100 times.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 3, 2011 11:16:17 GMT -5
i am still trying to fathom what a president has to do with gas prices. Such ponderings often result in massive headaches, dj. I recommend Excedrin, but don't exceed the recommended dose. ;D yeah......i would be so much happier if i would just memorize the right wing talking points and repeat them endlessly.
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Post by handyman2 on Aug 3, 2011 11:23:45 GMT -5
Now DJ please explain how the programs you listed were part of the liberal agenda? The rural electrification program certianly wasn't. I grew up with that program, the interstate highway program was a result of the cold war hysteria and originally funded through the defense department. Worker, food safety and child labor laws are a no brainer. everybody supported those.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 3, 2011 11:31:07 GMT -5
Now DJ please explain how the programs you listed were part of the liberal agenda? The rural electrification program certianly wasn't. I grew up with that program, the interstate highway program was a result of the cold war hysteria and originally funded through the defense department. Worker, food safety and child labor laws are a no brainer. everybody supported those. No, everybody did not support those. In today's world, it would seem like a no-brainer to assume everyone did, but that was not the case. Had it been, there would have been no need for laws with regard to these issues.
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Post by jkapp on Aug 3, 2011 11:41:45 GMT -5
i am still trying to fathom what a president has to do with gas prices. You'll have to have Democrats explain it to you...they were the ones blaming Bush for high gas prices for years. I was never able to figure it out their "logic" on the issue
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Post by jkapp on Aug 3, 2011 11:43:38 GMT -5
If they raised the debt and spent more than they brought in, then yes. Maybe not liberal in philosophy, but they continued liberal policies and legislation. why do conservatives continue liberal policies? Because they are not conservative...they may be Republican, but that does not necessarily mean conservative-Republican. They and others can call themseves conservative, but actions speak louder than words...
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Post by jkapp on Aug 3, 2011 11:46:23 GMT -5
They will never acknowledge the abject failure of liberalism. yeah. that rural electric program. what a complete and utter disaster. we should get rid of child labor laws, too. those things are an impediment to capitalism. workplace and food safety has to go, too. it just drives up the cost of goods. and that national highway system should all be torn up and turned into buggy paths again. better for the environment. and horses produce their own natural fertilizer! we really ought to get blacks and women off the voter roles, too. i don't know what those liberals were thinking when they did that. disaster after disaster after disaster. Interesting argument, unfortunately those issues are not exclusively liberal policies... Plus you have to factor in that liberal today is not much of anything like liberal of only 40-50 years ago.
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Post by jkapp on Aug 3, 2011 11:47:36 GMT -5
If you receive money you didn't earn by the sweat of your brow, over time, receiving this erodes your very ability to earn it. i agree. all of those fortune 500 CEO's who fail to generate profits at the businesses they run should go without pay. that'll learn 'em. Most who don't generate profits are fired...the BOD expects profits too.
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Post by handyman2 on Aug 3, 2011 11:48:03 GMT -5
Sorry MMM: You are mistaken. I am a lot older than you most likely and remember them. The laws were put into place to set the parameters under which the regulations would be administered and the creation of the agencies to provide over site of compliance. Who could argue that they were not a worth while endeavor. Certainly not the people who were being exploited by the wealthy barons who cared nothing for human life and safety. By the way the REA was one of the few government programs that turned a nice profit and still does today.
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