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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 21, 2011 13:36:44 GMT -5
So what does being in the military have to do with it?I would guess that as a former Army Lt Col. West should not resort to personal attacks at a woman and could have responded to Ms Wassermann Schultz in a more gentlemanly way, I guess.....he could have asked her to stop with all of her personal attacks at him but he probably thought that would be a waste of time which in most cases it is just that a complete waste of his time ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- A long-standing feud between South Florida House members Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Allen West turned to insults Tuesday after an exchange of speeches on a debt-reduction bill.
Wasserman Schultz chastised West on the House floor for supporting a bill that would cut Medicare and other spending.
"The gentleman from Florida, who represents thousands of Medicare beneficiaries, as do I, is supportive of this plan that would increase costs for Medicare beneficiaries -- unbelievable from a member from South Florida," said Wasserman Schultz, a Democrat.
West, a Republican from Plantation who lives in Wasserman Schultz's district, responded with an email to her and House leaders: "Look, Debbie, I understand that after I departed the House floor you directed your floor speech comments directly towards me. Let me make myself perfectly clear, you want a personal fight, I am happy to oblige.
"You are the most vile, unprofessional and despicable member of the U.S. House of Representatives. If you have something to say to me, stop being a coward and say it to my face, otherwise, shut the heck up. Focus on your own congressional district!"
West said her behavior "dates back to the disgusting protest you ordered at my campaign headquarters, October 2010 in Deerfield Beach."
He was referring to a demonstration by Wasserman Schultz and others outside West's campaign headquarters, claiming West showed insensitivity by writing a political column in a local biker magazine that includes pictures and articles that they said disrespected women.
Jonathan Beeton, communications director for Wasserman Schultz, responded: "I don't think that Congressman West is upset at the congresswoman, but rather with the fact that she highlighted that he and other Republicans are once again trying to balance the budget on the backs of seniors, children and the middle class."
The dust-up generated considerable attention because of Wasserman Schultz's role as chair of the Democratic National Committee and West's prominence in the new "tea party" crop of freshman Republican lawmakers. Copyright © 2011, Los Angeles Times www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-west-wasserman-schultz-clash-20110720,0,1743087.story
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Post by safeharbor37 on Jul 21, 2011 14:00:19 GMT -5
"Misogynistic comments" provoked a "serious backlash... furious women lawmakers and advocacy groups “lined up to exorciate” the GOP freshman...The Congressional Black Caucus may even seek to discipline its only Republican member." I do have a problem with West's statement that, “You have proven repeatedly that you are not a Lady, therefore, shall not be afforded due respect from me!” Ms. Wasserman-Schultz is not due any respect, therefore the statement should have ended "..., shall not be afforded any more respect than you are due, from me."
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Post by floridayankee on Jul 21, 2011 14:02:06 GMT -5
- if you have to insult your opponent, you've already lost. Gawd, I'd love for that attitude to carry over to election campaigns.....
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 21, 2011 14:05:29 GMT -5
Hey just maybe this feud is none of our business and let them go at ...who cares?? It is probably just business as usual between a Liberal vs a Conservative who just happen to dislike each other.. Or much to do about small and petty politics again..
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Post by ugonow on Jul 21, 2011 14:23:30 GMT -5
I think he is digging himself in deeper-----West: Wasserman Schultz And Dems Attack Me Because I’m A Black Conservative (AUDIO) Rep. Allen West (R-FL) is now making the rounds of the right-wing talk radio circuit, in the wake of his e-mail to DNC Chair and Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL), in which he declared that she has supposedly "proven repeatedly that you are not a Lady, therefore, shall not be afforded due respect from me!" His message for the GOP base: Liberals hate African-American conservatives like him for leaving their "21st-century plantation." tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/07/west-wasserman-schultz-and-dems-attack-me-because-im-a-black-conservative-audio.php So he blames talking to her like that on his military service,and he blames the rift between them on his being black.... Sorry, I don't have much respect for him.
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 21, 2011 14:26:33 GMT -5
wow. can't wait to see how far the RNC will let him go in damaging his own career. I *almost* used a well-worn cliche that said the same thing there......then realized the connotation. yikes.....
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 21, 2011 14:39:36 GMT -5
wow. can't wait to see how far the RNC will let him go in damaging his own career. Considering how West ended his military career ...
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Post by floridayankee on Jul 21, 2011 15:07:11 GMT -5
I think he is digging himself in deeper-----West: Wasserman Schultz And Dems Attack Me Because I’m A Black Conservative hmmmm...a black man playing the race card. Now, let me think......where have I heard that before.......
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 21, 2011 16:17:58 GMT -5
Maybe Ms Debbie Wasserman Schultz was just baiting Congressman Allen West with her comments on the House Floor..?? And she knew if he responded she would make his comments into much more than it was...so he was not the first guy who should have ignored her.
Here's what she said about Congressman West:
"The gentleman from Florida, who represents thousands of Medicare beneficiaries, as do I, is supportive of this plan that would increase costs for Medicare beneficiaries -- unbelievable from a member from South Florida," said Wasserman Schultz, a Democrat
And sometimes the truth hurts some women with huge egos who obsess over their new found role and positions:
"You are the most vile, unprofessional and despicable member of the U.S. House of Representatives. If you have something to say to me, stop being a coward and say it to my face, otherwise, shut the heck up. Focus on your own congressional district!"
Btw many of the Congressman's supporters do indeed agree with his comments above and think this is a true statement about Ms Debbie Wasserman Schultz, since they have all followed her career in Florida and in Washington DC...
But at least Congressman West didn't say Ms Wasserman Schultz has her head up her butt...so what he did say was NOT that horrible as it is being played out here for all it's worth to make some obtuse point, I guess??
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Post by safeharbor37 on Jul 21, 2011 17:05:55 GMT -5
I don't see Allen West as a future leader of the Republican Party, but as a candid representative of his constituency. Ms. Wasserman-Schultz no doubt represents her constituency, but since I tend to agree with West's take on things, I'm likewise prone to agree with his assessment of the [woman ~ since she's obviously not a "lady."] Brouhahas like this take some of the tedium out of the political process.
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“I don’t think that Congressman West is upset at the Congresswoman, but rather with the fact that she highlighted that he and other Republicans are once again trying to balance the budget on the backs of seniors, children and the middle class.
I LOVE this statement. Once again a Democrat accusing a Republican of doing something that the Democrats are doing. What was the headline a few days ago, "President Obama suggests cuts to Medicare"? Boy if a Republican suggested cuts we would be called senior killers.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 21, 2011 17:29:27 GMT -5
... " How do you write women so well?" " I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability." As Good as It GetsThe screenplay was written by Mark Andrus and James L. Brooks. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_Good_as_It_Gets Fiction written by men.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 21, 2011 18:24:12 GMT -5
Don't forget Congressman West is new to the Washington DC political scene and probably never had to deal with so many vile and misprinted comments tossed at him....and he just reacted to the latest ones by Ms Debbie Wasserman Schultz who has not displayed much so called "Class" with some of the things she has said about West..
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Post by Value Buy on Jul 21, 2011 18:50:39 GMT -5
Let's see, he sends an e-mail to her and copies Pelosi and a couple of others on the message. He did not make it "public", but knew she would not keep it private, as it should have been, since it was an e-mail between political equals. He knew what he was saying would fire up Wasserman, so he won this battle, and consequently, the money is rolling into his campaign ;D At least he did not show the "WEINER" like another Democratic Congressman did, and he did not hit "send" to his email address book, so he knows of what he did.......
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 21, 2011 19:02:30 GMT -5
JULY 21, 2011 Will Allen West apologize? 'That is not happening' Day Three of the Allen West-Debbie Wasserman Schultz blowup ... Rep. West was on FOX Business Network this morning and was asked whether he'd apologize to his Florida colleague. "That is not happening," he said. "This is a pattern I referred to in that email that goes back to 2010. Finally I think I have the right to stand up and defend my honor and make sure that this type of activity does cease. I sent her a private email, she decided to make it public by releasing it to the news media www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/content/will-allen-west-apologize-not-happening
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Jul 21, 2011 20:51:00 GMT -5
my 'blinders' as you put it come from years of experience in a male-dominated industry. I am not a politician, but that's a pretty historically male-dominated arena as well. how's this for a double standard - if a man is aggressive, it's valued. if a woman's aggressive, she's a bitch. so she's assertive in doing her job, which is fighting for stuff he doesn't like, and it's okay for him to insult her? that's not at all acceptable to me. People keep using this argument, but there really isn't any truth to it. If a man acts in an aggressive way, most people view that man as (fill in the blank). If a woman acts in the same way, they are called something similiar such as the insult you mentioned. Both are called names....
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 22, 2011 7:49:21 GMT -5
Let's review what we have here ...Ms Debbie Wasserman Schultz( D Florida )takes to the floor of the House of Representatives and baits Congressman West( R Florida)with her lame tirade about balancing the budget with cuts to social security and Medicare while the congressman is not present to defend himself.....He fires off an angry email to Ms Wasserman Schultz that she makes public after rounding up her gal pals in congress to gang up on Congressman West to apologize....He then refuses to do so by giving examples of the long feud these two congressional members from Florida are engaged in.
Is this the argument we are having here??? Just trying to be fair and balanced. And of course we see words like "bitch" "class" and etc being tossed around to make a point I guess.. ??
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 22, 2011 7:57:02 GMT -5
if that's how you read it, P.I. clearly, that's how you're reading it. I shouldn't at all be surprised, given the other shots you've taken in this thread. as far as the intent of the OP, to me it is clear that West got his panties in a twist because he was called out for his own actions. but y'all already called me biased because I am a strong woman and must clearly be a self-important aggressive biatch.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 22, 2011 7:59:47 GMT -5
Meet Washington's new odd couple: Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, fiery chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee, and Tea Party hero and political newcomer Rep. Allen West. . Their long-simmering feud turned them into the poster children for inside-the-Beltway partisanship almost overnight this week after West fired off an angry, widely circulated email to Wasserman Schultz for criticizing his stance on Medicare during a spending debate. West called her "vile, unprofessional and despicable" and told her to "shut the heck up." Rather than shy away from the controversy, the lawmakers who represent neighboring South Florida districts are using it to energize their political bases. "She's a rising star in the Democratic Party and he's a rising star in the Republican Party," said Joyce Kaufman, a South Florida radio talk show host who was originally tapped to be West's chief of staff, though she later resigned. "If you're gonna have a fight at least have it with somebody else who's getting attention." Wasserman Schultz is the equivalent of the popular cheerleader in Washington, a breast cancer survivor with friends on both sides of the aisle. It wasn't long after the squabble before five Democratic congresswomen called for West to apologize. West, a former Army officer and freshman GOP lawmaker, has made a name for himself with inflammatory remarks and combative rhetoric. During the campaign, he talked of taking his opponent, Democratic incumbent Ron Klein, out "behind the woodshed" and giving him a "whooping." His recently tweeted "Anyone with an Obama 2012 bumper sticker, I recognize them as a threat to the gene pool." He actually lives in Wasserman Schultz's heavily Democratic district, just across the line from his own, which is legal. . West seems less the Washington insider. He was initially snubbed by the Congressional Black Caucus, although the overwhelmingly liberal group later said he could request a membership. He has an ardent following of both churchgoers and biker clubs. The latter followed him during the campaign, offering protection. In Iraq while still in the Army, he fired a gun near a detainee's head, threatening to kill him and allow soldiers to beat him in hopes of scaring the prisoner into revealing details of a purported plot against West and his men. The man was later found to be innocent. West admitted wrongdoing in a military court, was fined and relieved of his command. But supporters view his actions as those of a true patriot. His speeches quickly became YouTube favorites and he toppled Klein by 9 percentage points in an evenly divided district that voted for John Kerry in 2004 and President Barack Obama in 2008. He faces a tough 2012 re-election race. Now both are using the email flap to garner support. West spokeswoman Angela Sachitano said Wednesday night he had not apologized to the congresswoman, noting, "we are waiting on her apology." West labeled Wasserman Schultz a liberal attack dog and asked for donations in a fundraising email heralding the fight. She appeared on television outlets pushing the Democratic agenda, saying she was just debating policy and got a "tirade out of the clear blue sky." "It's probably good for their re-election base. The partisans on both sides want their representatives to stick to their principals and not compromise and want them to be more aggressive and more assertive," said Aubrey Jewett, a University of Central Florida political science professor. In her remarks on the House floor, Wasserman Schultz said: "The gentleman from Florida, who represents thousands of Medicare beneficiaries, as do I, is supportive of this plan that would increase costs for Medicare beneficiaries. Unbelievable from a member from south Florida." To some, West's response seemed harsh, but Klein says it's typical. "He sort of goes off the handle. It's not shocking to me because I saw it during the campaign. He gives speeches that were designed to be inflammatory. There were a lot of things during the campaign that were over the top, big words, big rhetoric which I think is part of what drives his national Fox popularity. The people that want to hear that love it," Klein said. Insiders say the rift began in 2010 when Wasserman Schultz rallied outside West's campaign headquarters to protest a biker magazine that ran opinion columns written by West. "Wheels on the Road" also contains photos of scantily clad women and sexually explicit columns. "He thinks it's OK to objectify and denigrate women. He thinks it's OK to take away our reproductive freedom. He thinks it's OK to associate with people who refer to women as oral relief stations," Wasserman Schultz said during the rally. Kaufman said West took note and he's "tired of being poked in the chest" by her. After his email, a handful of blogs labeled him a misogynist, too. West, who has been married for 22 years and has two daughters, told conservative radio talk show host Mark Levin on Wednesday that such remarks about him perpetuates the petty lies he hates about politics. "I'm a threat because I'm the guy that got off their 21st century plantation and they cannot afford to have a strong voice such as mine out there reverberating and resonating across this country," he said. "And even more so, they're not used to anyone that says, 'I'm going to fight back against you.'" www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43844850.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 22, 2011 8:29:35 GMT -5
He thinks it's OK to associate with people who refer to women as oral relief stations," Wasserman Schultz said during the rally.There's a new one that hasn't been used much before by most women that I can recall .... "women as oral relief stations".... ? 'I'm going to fight back against you.'"Nothing wrong with a good fight now and then to relieve your pent up frustrations, ....probably NOT as good as a "oral relief station"...I guess?
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Post by ugonow on Jul 22, 2011 8:52:53 GMT -5
Yesterday at 2:26pm, chiver78 wrote: wow. can't wait to see how far the RNC will let him go in damaging his own career.
Considering how West ended his military career ... Which is starting to get some ink now.I think he should cool it and hope it blows over instead of digging a deeper hole,myself.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 22, 2011 9:25:35 GMT -5
Yesterday at 2:26pm, chiver78 wrote: wow. can't wait to see how far the RNC will let him go in damaging his own career.
Considering how West ended his military career ... Which is starting to get some ink now.I think he should cool it and hope it blows over instead of digging a deeper hole,myself. Not going to happen since both sides of this dispute are getting big bucks for their campaigns....but personally I think it is great to see a guy not back down after being attacked by a powerful member of congress again who happens to be a woman known for cheap shots at men throughout her career in politics in Florida....
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 22, 2011 9:27:06 GMT -5
Yesterday at 2:26pm, chiver78 wrote: wow. can't wait to see how far the RNC will let him go in damaging his own career.
Considering how West ended his military career ... Which is starting to get some ink now.I think he should cool it and hope it blows over instead of digging a deeper hole,myself. Not going to happen since both sides of this dispute are getting big bucks for their campaigns....but personally I think it is great to see a guy not back down after being attacked by a powerful member of congress again who happens to be a woman known for cheap shots at men throughout her career in politics in Florida.... I hardly call pointing out that the Congressman is not standing up for what's good for his constituents "attacking" him.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 22, 2011 9:35:19 GMT -5
my 'blinders' as you put it come from years of experience in a male-dominated industry. I am not a politician, but that's a pretty historically male-dominated arena as well. how's this for a double standard - if a man is aggressive, it's valued. if a woman's aggressive, she's a bitch. so she's assertive in doing her job, which is fighting for stuff he doesn't like, and it's okay for him to insult her? that's not at all acceptable to me. People keep using this argument, but there really isn't any truth to it. If a man acts in an aggressive way, most people view that man as (fill in the blank). If a woman acts in the same way, they are called something similiar such as the insult you mentioned. Both are called names.... Yea but to her credit I think Ms Wasserman Schultz is better at taking cheap shots at her male congressional opponents than West is i.e " using women as oral relief stations"...that is nasty IMHO...so he still has to learn how to fight back but in time should be OK with it.. Maybe sending emails to Ms Wasserman Schultz is not the best way to go....but I guess they don't have Private Messages like we do.. Btw I am NOT a big fan of the so called "Pit Bulls In High Heels" i.e Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Barbara Boxer, Barbara Mukulski, and etc they need to be muzzled when they attack IMHO
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Post by cereb on Jul 22, 2011 10:06:14 GMT -5
Frankly, I find it rather amusing that a woman can whine about being called a bitch after she's been one. If one is going to be a bitch, be the best at it.
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Post by henryclay on Jul 22, 2011 10:13:49 GMT -5
How did the West email get to be such a monster? Because Debbie Schultz put it out to the liberal media for publication. I wonder if a female Republican were to hand Huffington Post, or any liberal media, a copy of a private e-mail taking her to task by a Democrat would the reaction be the same? Why do I think it would not be? Congresswoman Schultz is a proven Obama hack. She had promised to keep Ron Klien from being unseated by West and is still fuming for not delivering on it. With regard to West's remark about military forthrightness, (direct method of speaking). Perhaps those who think there is any other acceptable way would like to explain it, , , , in as few words as if they were explaing the benefits of being direct. Debbie Wasserman Schultz is nothing more than a shameless shill that will and say or do ANYTHING to climb the ladder and always has, including selling out her constituents and the Jewish people who she claims to support. She does not consider how her actions affect her constituents, only how she can advance her career. She wants to turn Florida ‘blue’ at any cost. She is disgusting.
Finally, I thought it was truly refreshing that West had the chutzpa to call her out on it. He got fed up enough to fight back. Good for him! I think many people are cheering him on, both R’s and D’s and will contribute to her opponent’s race. She will be beaten this election. And it will be a strong and decisive defeat. People, even her aged and ailing constituents that she has buffaloed for so long, are going to turn on her and vote against her because her actions are inconsistent with her words. Plain and simple she does not tell the full truth. There are some good videos on the link, too. shark-tank.net/2011/07/20/wasserman-schultzs-resentment-for-allen-west-dates-back-to-his-win-over-her-buddy-ron-klein/Hello, bills. I see you're still having trouble finding anything usefull to say.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 22, 2011 10:22:11 GMT -5
Good stuff Henry as always....now get ready for some negative responses which ought to be entertaining again as you know.. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- July 21, 2011 Jewish Dems defend Wasserman Schultz after West’s attack JTA www.jewishjournal.com/ nation/article/jewish_dems_defend_wasserman_schultz_after_wests_attack_20110721/ Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.) Jewish Democrats slammed Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.) for his vituperative attack on Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.) as a pro-Israel PAC raised funds for the congresswoman based on the attack. West emailed Wasserman Schultz, who is also the chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee, after she chided West on the U.S. House of Representatives floor for backing a plan she said would increase costs for elderly Medicare recipients in their adjacent districts. “Look, Debbie, I understand that after I departed the House floor you directed your floor speech comments directly towards me,” he said in an email obtained by a number of news outlets. “Let me make myself perfectly clear, you want a personal fight, I am happy to oblige. You are the most vile, unprofessional, and despicable member of the U.S. House of Representatives. If you have something to say to me, stop being a coward and say it to my face, otherwise, shut the heck up. Focus on your own congressional district! You have proven repeatedly that you are not a Lady, therefore, shall not be afforded due respect from me!” The National Jewish Democratic Council, where Wasserman Schultz launched her career, blasted West for his “hostile tone and belligerent language.” In a statement, the NJDC said that West’s declaration that Wasserman Schultz is “‘not a Lady’ and will not be ‘afforded due respect’ confirms yet again that West has a problem with progressive women. American Jews overwhelmingly support women’s rights and have nothing but tremendous respect for Debbie and all that she’s accomplished.” JACPAC, a Jewish political action committee that focuses on Israel and reproductive rights, launched a fundraiser based on the attack. “Our best response is to make sure friends like DWS are re-elected and foes like West are defeated,” said the PAC in its appeal. “People like West who resort to personal attacks, rather than disagree respectfully with their colleagues, demean the institution in which they serve. The government they denigrate is not their punching bag. It is us!” JACPAC mostly backs Democrats, although it has also supported moderate pro-Israel Republicans. Other Democrats have rallied to Wasserman Schultz’s defense and a number of fundraisers have been launched based on West’s attack. West is also using the exchange to fund-raise. Both lawmakers are seen as pro-Israel stalwarts; the Republican Jewish Coalition championed West last year when he ousted Rep. Ron Klein (D-Fla.). © Copyright 2011 Tribe Media Corp. All rights reserved. JewishJournal.com is hosted by Nexcess.net. Homepage design by Koret Communications. Widgets by Mijits. Site construction by Hop Studios.
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ugo, his military time has nothing to do with it. he's using it as an excuse to justify his lack of class. to answer financialtexan - my panties aren't in a twist, thanks. I'm just posting an article that shows how not to conduct yourself in Congress. as I said in another reply - if you have to insult your opponent, you've already lost. I didn't say "Why are your (chiver's) panties in a twist"...I said "why are peoples"...don't take it personally when it wasn't meant that way. As far as insulting first.....since Wasserman-Schultz felt the need to attack West while he wasn't there, wouldn't that mean she "lost the argument"?...using your own words....
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Post by verrip1 on Jul 22, 2011 10:29:10 GMT -5
People sure are thin skinned about two congresspeople disliking each other. It's not like this is the first time.
Most amusing are the shallow intimations that W-S is being browbeaten because she is 'just a woman'.
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Post by cereb on Jul 22, 2011 10:32:12 GMT -5
Much ado about nothing. Both sides behaving badly. If you are going to try an be a badass, you need to be effective.
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