jkapp
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Post by jkapp on Jul 18, 2011 9:19:14 GMT -5
I always counted Boehner and Hatch in the most ignorant categories, among others. Barry ain't the one holding things up. He has offered to compromise, the pubs have not. Yep, certain types always pull the race card when they are too F-ing stupid to figure out what is going on. Obama has only offered fantasy and conjecture...his $4T in cuts is just a bs number that he will quickly turn his back on as soon as an agreement is reached. It's this admin's M.O. It's exactly what happened to the $38B in cuts the left had to have their arm twisted to give in to a few months ago. The reps had to twist the dems' arms to get $38B in cuts (which quickly dropped to $352 million), but now they all of a sudden agree to $4T? Pure bullshit... ANd if Ms. Lee did not see the disrespect lobbed at Bush Jr on a daily basis for 6+ years then she is the one with racist blinders on...I didn't really like the guy, but he got just as much flack and disrespect as Obama - if not more considering how left slanted most media is.
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Bluerobin
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Post by Bluerobin on Jul 18, 2011 9:28:31 GMT -5
Jkapp, Obama should NOT be involved in the debate. It is up to Congress (both houses) to make the bill. All Obama has to do is sign or veto it. Time for Congress to start doing it's job and stop blaming the president.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2011 10:12:19 GMT -5
Handy, they take the extreme view, while most of the populace is middle of the road. I think the politicians who listen to the radical left or radical right are in for a big surprise. If the Tea Party thinks they are that viable, they should form a legitimate 3rd party - that would really show how on target they are. The tea party exists because they are the extreme right wing of the Pub. They are NOT populist enough to become an actual party
First off I would point out that they are getting people elected in congress. I think that makes them a 3rd party although I don't know if they are viable for the long term. The 2nd election that they are in may prove that one way or another.
Second off I think both the Republican & Democratic parties "need" the Tea Party. There is a huge pool of voters out there that don't feel that either party represents them in any way. They are an untapped voting pool that both parties should be trying to appeal to. I would guess (but don't know) that if 80% of those that don't normally vote (plus Tea Party voters) were to vote this next election for the Tea Party candidate there might be no Republican or Democrats in either house. That is something that both parties should be aware of.
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Bluerobin
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Post by Bluerobin on Jul 18, 2011 10:24:32 GMT -5
Oldtex, I do not find any registered Tea Party in any state. Can you? If not, they are just the lunatic fringe of the Republican party, taking credit for the lunatics that can get elected under the republican banner. There may be a need for a 3rd party, but anything started under Republican auspices will not be accepted by the public at large. BTDT with Perot 92. It would be a different scene today if Perot was serious. He actually did get his party registered in most states, unlike the Tea Party branch of the Pubs.
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jkapp
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Post by jkapp on Jul 18, 2011 13:11:17 GMT -5
Oldtex, I do not find any registered Tea Party in any state. Can you? If not, they are just the lunatic fringe of the Republican party, taking credit for the lunatics that can get elected under the republican banner. There may be a need for a 3rd party, but anything started under Republican auspices will not be accepted by the public at large. BTDT with Perot 92. It would be a different scene today if Perot was serious. He actually did get his party registered in most states, unlike the Tea Party branch of the Pubs. Who would want them to form a party? Considering much of our political division and stonewalling has to do with the two parties involved, I don't see how continuing the political party model is the right way to go. If anything, we should try and dismantle politicial parties so that people run and govern as individuals...much like unions, political parties have outlived their usefulness and are now just a hinderance.
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handyman2
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Post by handyman2 on Jul 18, 2011 13:58:35 GMT -5
Well I am neither Repub nor Dem but an Independent and never considered myself a tea partier but have attended some of their rally's to see what they are about. The idea that tea partiers are a lunatic fringe of the Republican party is way off base. The freshman house member elected this last time from our district received support help from the tea party was a Democrat. Are some tea partiers registered Republicans? yes. Are some Democrat? yes. there is a mix and it is growing.
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Post by Bluerobin on Jul 18, 2011 15:14:38 GMT -5
Handy, they are just a passing fancy until they get serious and register as a legitimate party. jkapp, the first step to dismantling the parties would be to form a strong 3rd party. Once the Dems and Pubs are no longer the dominant parties, change will happen. Who knows if that will be a dismantling or not.
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AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 18, 2011 17:59:45 GMT -5
Obama has only offered fantasy and conjecture...his $4T in cuts is just a bs number that he will quickly turn his back on as soon as an agreement is reached. It's this admin's M.O.
It's exactly what happened to the $38B in cuts the left had to have their arm twisted to give in to a few months ago. The reps had to twist the dems' arms to get $38B in cuts (which quickly dropped to $352 million), but now they all of a sudden agree to $4T? Pure bullshit... to you! Spot on! I can't believe I flaked out on the whole $38 billion crap. Let's see...$4 trillion over 10 years is $400 billion a year, and Obama and the democrats raised holy hell over $38 billion. Proof positive they're lying. They don't intend to cut one penny.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 18, 2011 18:03:33 GMT -5
"middle of the road" is how we end up with a prescription drug benefit added to Medicare. It's how we end up with cap and trade. It's how we end up with RomneyCare, sensless environmental regulations and bullcrap like cap and tax...
Oh, Republicans are running like hell from this stuff now-- but they were for some form of all of it until the TEA Party started reigning it all in.
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