Is Debt Celing Impasse Due to Obama's Race?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

In Defense of Democrats- Sheila Jackson Lee is NOT representative of the whole Democratic Party. She's quite possibily the most ignorant, ill-informed person in politics, period-- but when you have a Democrat base that's markedly less educated, and accomplished, you're gonna get this kind of crap:

Friday on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives, Texas Democrat Sheila Jackson Lee gave her assessment of the debate. The reason Republicans aren’t negotiating and aren’t willing to compromise on the debt ceiling, she said, is because of Obama’s race. (Congressional bosses from Hell: Sheila Jackson Lee)

“I am particularly sensitive to the fact that only this president, only this president, only this one has received the kind attacks and disagreements and inability to work,” she said. “Only this one.”

Jackson Lee acknowledged that Republicans have a majority in the House, and that it means sometimes Democrats will lose fights in the Congress. “It’s all right to agree or disagree on the balanced budget amendment. It’s all right to talk about how we’re going to appropriate … It’s all right to have that disagreement, that’s the give and take of democracy.”

But it wasn’t long before she pulled the race card back out. “I do not understand what I think is the maligning and maliciousness [directed at] this president. Why is he different? And in my community, that is the question that we raise. In the minority community, that is the question that is being raised. Why is this president being treated so disrespectfully?”

The representative then took a swipe at Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY), implying that his talk about making sure President Obama is a one-term president has to do with race: “Why does the leader of the Senate continually talk about [how] his job is to bring the president down, to make sure he’s unelected? It’s 2011, it’s not 2012, you need to play those politics in 2012, not now.”

RealClearPolitics.com has video of Jackson Lee’s floor speech here: www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/07/15/dem_congresswoman_blames_debt_ceiling_fight_on_obamas_race.html



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[Bluerobin]

I always counted Boehner and Hatch in the most ignorant categories, among others. Barry ain't the one holding things up. He has offered to compromise, the pubs have not.
Yep, certain types always pull the race card when they are too F-ing stupid to figure out what is going on.

[moon/Laura]

Paul, I think your titled needs rephrasing.. something like

"Debt Ceiling Impasse Due to Obama's Race?"

[ameiko]

Jul 17, 2011 10:55:36 GMT -5 Bluerobin said:

I always counted Boehner and Hatch in the most ignorant categories, among others. Barry ain't the one holding things up. He has offered to compromise, the pubs have not.
Yep, certain types always pull the race card when they are too F-ing stupid to figure out what is going on.

Why should the GOP compromise?

BOTH sides are holding it up. BHO offered and the GOP refused. He could give up the tax hikes but he is refusing.

It is silly to acts as if it's just the GOP holding things up when BOTH sides are an impasse.

[txbo]

Jul 17, 2011 11:15:17 GMT -5 ameiko said:

Jul 17, 2011 10:55:36 GMT -5 Bluerobin said:

I always counted Boehner and Hatch in the most ignorant categories, among others. Barry ain't the one holding things up. He has offered to compromise, the pubs have not.
Yep, certain types always pull the race card when they are too F-ing stupid to figure out what is going on.

Why should the GOP compromise?

BOTH sides are holding it up. BHO offered and the GOP refused. He could give up the tax hikes but he is refusing.

It is silly to acts as if it's just the GOP holding things up when BOTH sides are an impasse.

Then you would have to ask yourself who really wants to cut spending and balance the budget.

[kent]

Jul 17, 2011 10:55:36 GMT -5 Bluerobin said:

Yep, certain types always pull the race card when they are too F-ing stupid to figure out what is going on.

That woman is not only stupid, she herself is a racist. If Obama does something good, he's an outstanding "black" man. If he did something stupid, it wouldn't surprise me to hear her blame it on the "white" half of him! Of course you'll never hear her or her ilk saying the president has done anything stupid.

[verrip1]

Race baiting is Sheila's one trick pony. And it's one damned tired pony, at that.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 17, 2011 10:55:36 GMT -5 Bluerobin said:

I always counted Boehner and Hatch in the most ignorant categories, among others. Barry ain't the one holding things up. He has offered to compromise, the pubs have not.
Yep, certain types always pull the race card when they are too F-ing stupid to figure out what is going on.

Obama is precisely the person holding things up. His position of phony cuts, tax increases, and a blank check to spend whatever he wants is unacceptable and he knows it.

The thing is...the people know it this time, too.

It's a new day.

The big government party is OVER.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 17, 2011 12:30:47 GMT -5 verrip1 said:

Race baiting is Sheila's one trick pony. And it's one damned tired pony, at that.

I thought it was her dead horse. ;D

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 17, 2011 10:59:58 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Paul, I think your titled needs rephrasing.. something like

"Debt Ceiling Impasse Due to Obama's Race?"

Done

[ugonow]

Very stupid thing to say.

[Bluerobin]

Hey guys, Obama is NOT holding things up. Remember your civics. The CONGRESS passes legislation. The PRESIDENT signs it. Ergo, Barry shouldn't even be trying to work on the legislation, but our do nothing Pub house should get it's act together and negotiate with the Dems. Then Barry can veto it or not and be blamed. If I were him, I would firmly put it back on Congress' heads.

[privateinvestor]

Is Debt Ceiling Impasse Due to Obama's Race?

The impasse is due to two major issues (1) Spending Cuts and (2) Tax Increases.....and it is not just Liberals vs Conservatives but rather splits within each party...the progressives does NOT like the liberal ideas in the Dem party and the Tea Party does NOT like the conservative ideas in the Republican Party....so what you have is a wide, wide divide among the two parties...

[Bluerobin]

PI, exactly, and the Pubs are gonna have to answer to the majority of their party, not just the lunatic Tea Partiers. That is going to be the interesting part.

[moon/Laura]

Thank you, Paul

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 17, 2011 13:38:58 GMT -5 Bluerobin said:

PI, exactly, and the Pubs are gonna have to answer to the majority of their party, not just the lunatic Tea Partiers. That is going to be the interesting part.

The TEA Party is America. This constant drumbeat in the state controlled media, the far left, and the political establishment in the Republican Party are all proof positive that the TEA Party is a large and growing mainstream movement that scares the shit out of the political elites-- of all stripes.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

The last time I saw anything like the TEA Party was Ronald Reagan's presidency. It wasn't supposed to happen. But it did. And once it did-- once Reagan got the nomination and began to govern, he became an unstoppable juggernaut-- wildly popular with the people, and endlessly frustrating to the political elites in both parties.

Reagan made two big mistakes-- one of them it would appear the GOP has actually learned from: he compromised and raised taxes without insisting on corresponding spending cuts. He should have cut spending AND not raised taxes. Now, it looks like that's exactly what the GOP is determined to do. The second big mistake was George H. W. Bush. He won. Bush lost. He should have picked a conservative.

[cereb]

Jul 17, 2011 13:46:53 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Jul 17, 2011 13:38:58 GMT -5 Bluerobin said:

PI, exactly, and the Pubs are gonna have to answer to the majority of their party, not just the lunatic Tea Partiers. That is going to be the interesting part.

The TEA Party is America. This constant drumbeat in the state controlled media, the far left, and the political establishment in the Republican Party are all proof positive that the TEA Party is a large and growing mainstream movement that scares the shit out of the political elites-- of all stripes.

No, it isn't America.

[mmhmm]

What an arrogant claim! No, the TEA party isn't America. America is made up of individual citizens with individual needs and individual opinions concerning how those needs are to be served by government. That's one thing that has made this country strong, and the very thing that will, in the end, save our patooties from the mess we find ourselves in. We don't lump together very well. While we may have difficulty, at times, arriving at consensus, we're strong in our beliefs, and in our love of country. Not only that, but we don't allow any one group to tell us how we're supposed to think ... at least, most of us don't. I'm not about to be lumped in with the TEA Party, and I'm as much a part of America as anyone else here. I'd be willing to wager there are quite a few others here who feel exactly the same way. Extrapolate that, and you'll find the TEA Party is NOT America!

[ugonow]

Trying to convince people that Palin,Bachmann, Angle,O'Donnell, etc are the mainstream,and they are the far side is going to be an up hill battle, imo.......

[steff]

The TEA Party is America

Not even close.

[ugonow]

Reagan made two big mistakes-- one of them it would appear the GOP has actually learned from: he compromised and raised taxes without insisting on corresponding spending cuts.

His Deficit Reduction Act,which closed loopholes,main sopnsers were republicans Phil Gramm and Warren Rudman and Reagan was totaly on board with it. Cuts to some entitlements were in fact made, but military spending, backed by Reagan, far overshadowed them . So now Reagan was a bad president?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 17, 2011 14:27:34 GMT -5 steff said:

The TEA Party is America

Not even close.

Well, I know the thought scares the shit out of you-- but it's not like polling doesn't completely back it up.

On almost every issue, Americans are 70% TEA Party, and at best 30% Liberal.

Liberalism is wildly unpopular. This isn't to say liberals are unpopular-- many have convinced voters they aren't as far left as they actually are.

Here - let's do a quick run down:

A poll of 1,001 likely voters in fourteen battleground swing states, conducted April 2-4 by Luntz Global, found that 88 percent support taking action now to reform Social Security and Medicare. Likely voters view no area of the federal budget as off-limits, as 78 percent agreed with Defense Secretary Robert Gates’ recommendation to cut $145 billion in unnecessary defense spending.

Other key findings of the survey include:

•Voters Want a Balanced Budget: 78 percent believe there is “no excuse” for taking longer than 10 years to balance the budget.

•No Spending is “Off-Limits”: 78 percent said reforming entitlements is the “right thing to do.” 78 percent supported Secretary Gates’ recommendation to cut $145 unnecessary defense spending.

•Entitlement Reform is Necessary and Urgent: 88 percent believe Social Security and Medicare need to be reformed immediately.

•Eliminate Waste: 64 percent support eliminating wasteful departments and programs, such as HUD, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

•Don’t Raise the Debt Ceiling: 69 percent oppose raising the debt ceiling above the current $14.3 trillion level. Support for raising the debt ceiling increases (17 percent to 31 percent) if provisions are included to cut spending and reduce future debt such as binding spending caps and/or passage of a serious balanced budget.

•Likely Voters Look to Republicans: 52 percent would vote for an unnamed Republican challenger in an election held today, versus 39 percent who would vote for President Obama.

[ugonow]

And I am sure everyone felt the same when Herman Cain said Jon Stewart only attacked him because he was black when Stewart made fun of his promise to not sign any bill over 3 pages long.

[steff]

Like it or not paul, America isn't just what you say it is. Every American has the right to their opinions, their views, and their beliefs. If you don't agree with that, tough tittie. You don't have to like or even respect what the rest of America thinks, but you don't get to tell them what to think, believe or vote for.

America is MORE than *just* the Tea Party.

[steff]

Nathan Deal is a Tea Party gvn in Georgia. Even he couldn't bully all he wanted thru a Republican state senate/congress. So seems like even the Tea Party politicians are up against what should be their backers and can't get everything thru that they want.

[mmhmm]

Well, I know the thought scares the shit out of you-- but it's not like polling doesn't completely back it up.

You don't know your arse from third base when it comes to what scares me, paul. You don't know half of what you think you know. There's a lot more to the American people, as individuals and as a whole, than you and your ilk give us credit for. It's all good, though. Everyone benefits from an occasional surprise.

[cereb]

Jul 17, 2011 14:41:55 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Jul 17, 2011 14:27:34 GMT -5 steff said:

Not even close.

Well, I know the thought scares the shit out of you-- but it's not like polling doesn't completely back it up.

On almost every issue, Americans are 70% TEA Party, and at best 30% Liberal.

Liberalism is wildly unpopular. This isn't to say liberals are unpopular-- many have convinced voters they aren't as far left as they actually are.

Here - let's do a quick run down:

A poll of 1,001 likely voters in fourteen battleground swing states, conducted April 2-4 by Luntz Global, found that 88 percent support taking action now to reform Social Security and Medicare. Likely voters view no area of the federal budget as off-limits, as 78 percent agreed with Defense Secretary Robert Gates’ recommendation to cut $145 billion in unnecessary defense spending.

Other key findings of the survey include:

•Voters Want a Balanced Budget: 78 percent believe there is “no excuse” for taking longer than 10 years to balance the budget.

•No Spending is “Off-Limits”: 78 percent said reforming entitlements is the “right thing to do.” 78 percent supported Secretary Gates’ recommendation to cut $145 unnecessary defense spending.

•Entitlement Reform is Necessary and Urgent: 88 percent believe Social Security and Medicare need to be reformed immediately.

•Eliminate Waste: 64 percent support eliminating wasteful departments and programs, such as HUD, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

•Don’t Raise the Debt Ceiling: 69 percent oppose raising the debt ceiling above the current $14.3 trillion level. Support for raising the debt ceiling increases (17 percent to 31 percent) if provisions are included to cut spending and reduce future debt such as binding spending caps and/or passage of a serious balanced budget.

•Likely Voters Look to Republicans: 52 percent would vote for an unnamed Republican challenger in an election held today, versus 39 percent who would vote for President Obama.

All this proves, which BTW isn't a surprise, Many Americans agree on the the issues concerning the management of Americas debt. Sorry, but fiscal responsibility isn't some exclusive club only tea party members can belong to. I would also challange the 69% figure on raising the debt ceiling. I think most Americans are smart enough to know that a balanced approach to this issues is necessary.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 17, 2011 14:32:18 GMT -5 ugonow said:

Reagan made two big mistakes-- one of them it would appear the GOP has actually learned from: he compromised and raised taxes without insisting on corresponding spending cuts.

His Deficit Reduction Act,which closed loopholes,main sopnsers were republicans Phil Gramm and Warren Rudman and Reagan was totaly on board with it. Cuts to some entitlements were in fact made, but military spending, backed by Reagan, far overshadowed them . So now Reagan was a bad president?

More mythology. It's just false. The Democrats promised spending cuts in exchange for 'closing loopholes'-- Defense spending increases DO NOT EXPLAIN the failure of the Democrat Congress to deliver on promised spending cuts.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

All this proves, which BTW isn't a surprise, Many Americans agree on the the issues concerning the management of Americas debt. Sorry, but fiscal responsibility isn't some exclusive club only tea party members can belong to.

Wow, you don't miss much, do you? THIS IS MY ENTIRE POINT. The TEA Party is America.