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Post by SweetVirginia on Jul 13, 2011 22:34:46 GMT -5
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Post by SweetVirginia on Jul 13, 2011 22:36:19 GMT -5
Obama: "I've reached my limit. This may bring my presidency down, but I will not yield on this," according to a Republican aide.
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Post by ed1066 on Jul 13, 2011 22:37:31 GMT -5
His presidency went down a long time ago. Now he's just acting like the spoiled child he is...
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Post by SweetVirginia on Jul 13, 2011 22:41:23 GMT -5
His presidency went down a long time ago. Now he's just acting like the spoiled child he is... So he is acting like the republicans then.
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Post by rovo on Jul 13, 2011 22:41:47 GMT -5
As nice as it would be if Congress would reach some sort of an agreement on the debt ceiling, if it appears hopeless then a continuing resolution makes a lot of sense.
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Post by SweetVirginia on Jul 13, 2011 22:43:05 GMT -5
His presidency went down a long time ago. Now he's just acting like the spoiled child he is... I will not be voting for Obama, but I wouldn't count your chickens till they hatch eddie.
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 13, 2011 22:44:32 GMT -5
They all need to stop drawing lines in the sand and sit down to business. There IS a compromise for this, and these folks need to get to work!
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Post by SweetVirginia on Jul 13, 2011 23:33:33 GMT -5
They all need to stop drawing lines in the sand and sit down to business. There IS a comprimise for this, and these folks need to get to work! I agree mmhmm. But if we look at how this has played out, Obama was willing to give the repubs 4 trillion in spending cuts (including entitlements) for over 1 trillion in revenue raisers (not tax hikes) It seems to me that he went pretty far in order to compromise and the republicans simply refused. They could have had a 4 to 1 deal and they refuse to compromise. The repubs are the ones who have really drawn the lines in the sand. Obama just ran out of patience, I think.
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 13, 2011 23:37:33 GMT -5
That's how it appears, Virginia, and that may be exactly the way it is. All we know is what we're given to know. What I can see is nobody is going to get anywhere until they stop fighting a war amongst themselves and start getting down to the business of getting things done. That's going to have to include ALL of 'em!
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jul 13, 2011 23:40:47 GMT -5
...but the question remains: what MUST be done? ...a compromise does not a solution make...
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 13, 2011 23:42:09 GMT -5
Sometimes, Been There, a compromise is the only solution possible. Usually, these turn out quite well overall; especially, when each side is polarized.
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Post by SweetVirginia on Jul 13, 2011 23:57:28 GMT -5
...but the question remains: what MUST be done? ...a compromise does not a solution make... How is a compromise not a solution? The repubs would have gotten 4 trillion in spending cuts (some entitlements) with no tax hikes. The dems would get 1 trillion in additional revenue. The debt ceiling would be raised, there would be no default. Problem solved.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jul 14, 2011 0:03:48 GMT -5
Sometimes, Been There, a compromise is the only solution possible. Usually, these turn out quite well overall; especially, when each side is polarized. ...and I might argue that sometimes a compromise is the only option available... ... solving our deficit/debt crisis may or may not involve a compromise...
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jul 14, 2011 0:06:07 GMT -5
...but the question remains: what MUST be done? ...a compromise does not a solution make... How is a compromise not a solution? The repubs would have gotten 4 trillion in spending cuts (some entitlements) with no tax hikes. The dems would get 1 trillion in additional revenue. The debt ceiling would be raised, there would be no default. Problem solved. ...solutions do not always involve compromises... ...and who says we'll default come 01 Aug if the debt ceiling isn't raised?
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Post by ungenteel on Jul 14, 2011 0:12:24 GMT -5
nip nup righties are so self righteous that they feel there is no need for them to compromise ... the dimbulbs will reap what they sow
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Post by SweetVirginia on Jul 14, 2011 0:16:35 GMT -5
How is a compromise not a solution? The repubs would have gotten 4 trillion in spending cuts (some entitlements) with no tax hikes. The dems would get 1 trillion in additional revenue. The debt ceiling would be raised, there would be no default. Problem solved. ...solutions do not always involve compromises... ...and who says we'll default come 01 Aug if the debt ceiling isn't raised? Maybe not always, but in this case, compromise would provide a solution.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jul 14, 2011 0:42:08 GMT -5
...solutions do not always involve compromises... ...and who says we'll default come 01 Aug if the debt ceiling isn't raised? Maybe not always, but in this case, compromise would provide a solution. ...well, what compromise would solve our deficit/debt crisis? I think that's still the question... ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png)
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Post by buster on Jul 14, 2011 3:32:04 GMT -5
That's how it appears, Virginia, and that may be exactly the way it is. All we know is what we're given to know. What I can see is nobody is going to get anywhere until they stop fighting a war amongst themselves and start getting down to the business of getting things done. That's going to have to include ALL of 'em! It's never about fixing the problem, it's always about getting sound bites for the next election cycle.
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Post by robbase on Jul 14, 2011 5:39:02 GMT -5
nip nup righties are so self righteous that they feel there is no need for them to compromise ...
just like the "lefties" were so self righteous they felt no need to compromise on health care and rammed it down the repubs throat without one single repub vote...were you complaining when that happened too?
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Post by zipity on Jul 14, 2011 7:27:27 GMT -5
"Our problem is, we made a big deal about this for three months," Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina told The New York Times, illustrating the difficult position in which senior Republicans find themselves.
"How many Republicans have been on TV saying, 'I am not going to raise the debt limit,'" Graham told the newspaper, including himself among the GOP members dealing with the seemingly no-win situation. "We have no one to blame but ourselves."
That kind of sums up the situation. The pubs have made so many promises to so many different people I don't think they could come up with a compromise even if they were negotiating among themselves.
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Post by zipity on Jul 14, 2011 7:40:02 GMT -5
...well, what compromise would solve our deficit/debt crisis?
Which would you go for, $4 trillion over 10 years that hits SS and Medicare, trims every agency except defense, closes tax loop holes and ends some subsidies, $2 trillion over 10 years which hits SS and Medicare, trims every agency except defense but doesn't close tax loop holes or end any subsidies OR the backup plan which gives Obama an easier way to cram through the ceiling increase unless pubs can pull together a veto proof plan to do it differently.
Personally I think they should sit down today and just raise the debt ceiling with no strings attached. Then tomorrow they can go back to acting like children, which is an unfair dig at children.
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 14, 2011 7:49:45 GMT -5
"Our problem is, we made a big deal about this for three months," Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina told The New York Times, illustrating the difficult position in which senior Republicans find themselves.
"How many Republicans have been on TV saying, 'I am not going to raise the debt limit,'" Graham told the newspaper, including himself among the GOP members dealing with the seemingly no-win situation. "We have no one to blame but ourselves."That kind of sums up the situation. The pubs have made so many promises to so many different people I don't think they could come up with a compromise even if they were negotiating among themselves. I'm not usually a big fan of Lindsey Graham, but he's hit the nail squarely on the head with that statement, and it doesn't just apply to the Republicans. It applies to all of 'em.
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Post by Driftr on Jul 14, 2011 7:51:06 GMT -5
...well, what compromise would solve our deficit/debt crisis? I think that's still the question... ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) Eliminate the debt ceiling and write into law that Treasury shall not disburse more than 97% of the prior year's disbursements (excluding reductions to debt held by the public) for the next 40 years.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2011 7:53:01 GMT -5
I guess that before I made a comment on this I would like to know what President Obama's offer really was. I will say that a 4 trillion dollar cut at some time in the future wouldn't do it for me. That's just another way of saying that we will keep spending & maybe cut "tomorrow". If that was the deal I would turn it down to.
I would say that they have seen this coming now for 700 days so to start working on a compromise now is a bit stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2011 8:01:24 GMT -5
Dont call my bluff."
My response would have been "Don't get paid, comrade".
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 14, 2011 8:01:39 GMT -5
I guess that before I made a comment on this I would like to know what President Obama's offer really was. I will say that a 4 trillion dollar cut at some time in the future wouldn't do it for me. That's just another way of saying that we will keep spending & maybe cut "tomorrow". If that was the deal I would turn it down to. I would say that they have seen this coming now for 700 days so to start working on a compromise now is a bit stupid. I'd disagree. I'd say what was stupid was to sit around arguing and fighting for 700 days rather than get in there and get a necessary job done.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 14, 2011 8:07:21 GMT -5
I guess that before I made a comment on this I would like to know what President Obama's offer really was. I will say that a 4 trillion dollar cut at some time in the future wouldn't do it for me. That's just another way of saying that we will keep spending & maybe cut "tomorrow". If that was the deal I would turn it down to. I would say that they have seen this coming now for 700 days so to start working on a compromise now is a bit stupid. Morning Joe claimed that Eric Cantor kept interrupting and heckling Obama yesterday at the White House so called "Debt Reduction" meeting.. and Obama lost his cool....no big deal...they are supposed to get back together again today... There is no love lost between Obama and Cantor and Cantor held a press conference to whine and cry about Obama getting pissed off at him and storming out of their meeting is not going to help much in today's meeting...but these meetings are a big farce IMHO
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 14, 2011 8:18:28 GMT -5
Obama: "I've reached my limit. This may bring my presidency down, but I will not yield on this," according to a Republican aide. What limit? He hasn't proposed, or indicated agreement in principle to $1 dollar of spending cuts. IF Republicans hold firm, the voters will back them. If they cave, the Republican Party implodes, the country spirals into bankruptcy and collapse, and Obama gets re-elected. It really is that simple. Right now, the voters have a choice. If Republicans cave and remove that choice and we go back to two big spending, big government parties working together against the people-- it's all over for the United States. The very existence of the US is on the line. It's the country vs. Obama and our front line is the GOP.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Jul 14, 2011 8:22:37 GMT -5
His presidency went down a long time ago. Now he's just acting like the spoiled child he is... So he is acting like the republicans then. I agree, they are both acting like idiots.
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Post by handyman2 on Jul 14, 2011 8:24:28 GMT -5
The thing is that negotiating before raising the debt ceiling on major spending cuts is the only major lever the Republicans have at this point and time. Just accepting the promise that raising the ceiling and negotiating later will not cut it. Oba,a is not known for keeping his promises. So were if I was negotiating with him I would say no way also and call his bluff. It is obvious we cannot afford the constant massive spending cycle from the past 20 years so it is time to get real and do something positive. Everyone I have talked to recently is of the mind set that they believe we should balance the budget by cutting spending and cutting government. I also agree that for all intents and purposes the Obama presidency is finished.
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