Obama to Cantor: "Dont call my bluff."

[privateinvestor]

Jul 14, 2011 15:17:45 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jul 14, 2011 15:15:41 GMT -5 Angel! said:

Yeah, those statements have similar meanings. However, you add the additional words & suddenly 1 means he doesn't care if he brings down the presidency with his stand & the other means that he won't let this ruin his presidency. The two complete statements have complete opposite meanings the way I interpreter them.

agreed.

it is no biggie, PI. i think you misquoted the president, and that is fine. we all agree what he said is that he IS willing to let these talks take down his presidency, right?

I think Sweet Virginia got it right IMHO

Jul 13, 2011 22:36:19 GMT -5 SweetVirginia said:

Obama: "I've reached my limit. This may bring my presidency down, but I will not yield on this," according to a Republican aide.

You can interpret his comment several ways but who cares the important thing we are overlooking is that the talks are a big farce and nothing is getting done... so let's just watch and wait and see what happens..

[Value Buy]

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Obama said he would veto such a stopgap measure, warned Cantor "don't call my bluff," and declared himself ready to take his case to US voters, agreed aides on both sides, who described the events on condition of anonymity.
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Obviously Obama is not a good gambler. A gambler never shows his hand by calling it a bluff.
Game over.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 14, 2011 20:57:58 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

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Obama said he would veto such a stopgap measure, warned Cantor "don't call my bluff," and declared himself ready to take his case to US voters, agreed aides on both sides, who described the events on condition of anonymity.
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Obviously Obama is not a good gambler. A gambler never shows his hand by calling it a bluff.
Game over.

i thought that was a lame thing to say, as well.

[jeep108]

I would like them all out of office at this moment I'm not happy with either side and feel like no one in goverment cares for the working class citizen. If your poor great, here's your programs, if your rich here's your tax cuts. If your middle class bend over baby.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 14, 2011 21:32:50 GMT -5 jeep108 said:

I would like them all out of office at this moment I'm not happy with either side and feel like no one in goverment cares for the working class citizen. If your poor great, here's your programs, if your rich here's your tax cuts. If your middle class bend over baby.

and the problem is, of course, that the middle class built this nation.

[ameiko]

Jul 13, 2011 22:44:32 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

They all need to stop drawing lines in the sand and sit down to business. There IS a compromise for this, and these folks need to get to work!

No way, no how, no compromise.

The GOP backed down and "compromised" with the Democrats when they Dems raised taxed and Bush I stuck firm on his pledge on no new taxes and vetoed it. Government shut down and thus we had a compromise that raised taxes and tanked the economy.

We all remember how that lost Bush the next election as the Democrats crowed that Bush raised your taxes even though THEY wrote them! And the MSM backed them the whole way.

Nope, not going to happen; you can not trust a Democrat compromise.

Besides, what is there to compromise on? Any fool can look at the numbers and see that it's NOT a revenue issue: the last deficit that Bush II and the GOP Congress had was 160 billion dollars; NOW it's literally ten times that! Are you seriously telling us that revenue has dropped by 1.4 trillion? If you think so, check out the CBO!

Heck, even if we get rid of the Bush tax cuts (not sure if it's on everyone or just the "rich", I think the latter) and choose to disbelieve the history that shows that raising taxes tends to hurt revenue, the number I have heard tossed around is 800 billion in additional revenue... OVER TEN YEARS! So 80 billion is 5% of 1.6 trillion. WTH is THAT going to do?!?!?!?

Obama and the Democrats have exploded the deficit and they did so not with declining revenue but out of control spending and it is this spending that must stop!

We need only look at history to know that giving the government more money only whets its appetite: the income tax, raiding the SS fund, the AMT... we have surrended more and more money to them and STILL they can not balance a budget as the government consumers more of the GDP, going from about 5% a century ago (on all levels) to 40% today (again on all levels)!

No, the GOP must stand strong and say: enough! No more spending! No more government takeover of the economy! And no more Obama in 2012. They need to find their inner Gandalf and say to Obama and the Democrats, with regards to their "compromises" that:

"YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!!!"

[ameiko]

Jul 13, 2011 23:33:33 GMT -5 SweetVirginia said:

Jul 13, 2011 22:44:32 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

They all need to stop drawing lines in the sand and sit down to business. There IS a comprimise for this, and these folks need to get to work!

I agree mmhmm. But if we look at how this has played out, Obama was willing to give the repubs 4 trillion in spending cuts (including entitlements) for over 1 trillion in revenue raisers (not tax hikes) It seems to me that he went pretty far in order to compromise and the republicans simply refused. They could have had a 4 to 1 deal and they refuse to compromise. The repubs are the ones who have really drawn the lines in the sand. Obama just ran out of patience, I think.

So if some thugs broke into your house and kidnap only one of your kids, you'd be fine with that?

[ameiko]

Jul 13, 2011 23:42:09 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Sometimes, Been There, a compromise is the only solution possible. Usually, these turn out quite well overall; especially, when each side is polarized.

Yeah, it worked out so well for George H. Bush as well as the economy when Bush compromised and agreed to Democrat tax raises.

Sorry, don't trust Democrat compromises since they always stab you in the back and then steal the credit for anything positive that happens, along with their MSM buddies helping them sell it.

The GOP Congress balanced the budget, not Clinton. The GOP Congress shoved welfare reform down Clinton's throat. The GOP helped assure America that the socialist in the White House was contained (no job-crushing Hillarycare) and that was one (of many factors) that helped the powerful economic boom that Clinton gets so much credit for.

Nope, screw the Democrats and their compromises. They burned those bridges and I will not cross over the rickety ones they have rebuilt; too likely that they are designed to collapse under me.

[djAdvocate]

www.funnyordie.com/videos/e147f3eb3c/obama-i-m-a-dick?rel=player

[decoy409]

Cantor has bets in on 'no deal' and a 'crash.' Thought somebody would have brought that up.

As far as old bush and obama,they do share something in common which is National Security Presidential Directive 51. I know that nobody has been bringing that into the picture and I am surprised as it is law on the books and with the stroke of a pen by the Pres. it is activated.

Three things need to occur; 1) Financial disruption of the system 2) Acts of terrorism 3) Civil unrest.

I personnaly say that we are pushing these 3 causes to induce such.