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Post by floridayankee on Jul 14, 2011 12:55:02 GMT -5
Romney, Bachmann --- I am lefty and would heartily welcome either - they will both lose. Romney takes over perfectly good companies and then bleeds them to death with predetory finances - adding to unemployment. Bachmann with a ton of skeletons and no ability to contain her warped sense of reality. Bring them both on!!! I've pretty much avoided serious discussion on this thread because it is all based on typical party loyal bullshit like this. It is a recipe for continued failure. Rather than hoping for a good POTUS that would do what is best for the country rather than the party, no matter the party, let's all hope the opposition elects idiots so my party can retain control. Elections have become more about gaining / maintaining control of government rather than what's good for the country and it is truly sad, to see.....really sad.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 14, 2011 12:56:18 GMT -5
Romney, Bachmann --- I am lefty and would heartily welcome either - they will both lose. Romney takes over perfectly good companies and then bleeds them to death with predatory finances - adding to unemployment. Bachmann with a ton of skeletons and no ability to contain her warped sense of reality. Bring them both on!!! i think Romney has a good chance of beating Obama. but the economy has to behave very badly between now and then to get him there. Ok let's assume for argument sake tha economy does perform badly for the next year and one half..do you really think the country will go with Romney??? You have to know or believe the Obama Administration will not only dice and slice Romney they Will destroy him by using his record as Governor of Massachusetts, his flips flops, his reinventing himself and his changes in positions... I just don't see Romney as the right guy to oppose Obama in 2012 and I have no inside track to the RNC but I don't think Romney is their choice either IMHO
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Post by deziloooooo on Jul 14, 2011 13:08:03 GMT -5
"Take this into consideration. If we look at American history, between 1942 and 1947, the data that was collected by the Census Bureau was handed over to the FBI and other organizations at the request of President Roosevelt, and that's how the Japanese were rounded up and put into the internment camps. I'm not saying that that's what the Administration is planning to do, but I am saying that private personal information that was given to the Census Bureau in the 1940s was used against Americans to round them up, in a violation of their constitutional rights, and put the Japanese in internment camps." -Rep. Michele Bachmann, June 2009 I wonder if the information collected by that census was how they identified the Japanese Americans, would think once the law was passed, eassily identified and it shows how the Japanese Americans were such good citizens, just went along with it instead of say know, and making the government forceable remove all of them, though with the mood I am sure there would have been lots of blood shed perpetrated by aroused citizens .The more you think about that happening, it shows how idiotic our elected repreentatives can be..even in a time of crisis, yes even the beloved President of the time, Franklin. I watched on the military channel last night, no ball game , the Cuban Missle Crises , same type of action being promoted by the Military leaders, and we were 24 hours away from invading, and only recently was it discovered that the Russians had put into Cuban , not only the intermediate missles that could reach almost 90 % of all the US, but tacticle ones, that would have been used against the troops landing. There was no knowledge of their having them on the island, 90,000 troops were to land..plus the typical off shore collection of ships that they could have been used against, as well as four Russian submarines heading to the Carribean, all had one nuclear torpedo on board, looking for the three aircraft carriers, their use of had been given if it was decided to attack the Carriers. Why the Russians changed their mind besides the deal Kennedy gave them, no invasion of Cuba and with in a year the removal of the solid fuel missles in Turkey if the Russians made no mention of them, the deal, was that the Russians had only about 80 warheads and missles that could possible reach us and we had thousands.. Kennedy in his decision not to go along with the Military leaders invasion with out sending his brother to the Russian mbassy for one last go at a deal , gave the Russians 24 hours more, was the act of a true leader, we were that close to a world none of us could imagine..and most posters here, haven't a clue, to young, ..and we know about it because Kennedy had all the round table discussions on tape and they have been released..it was that close, 24 hours.. Krushev put those missles there because the Soviets saw themselves surrounded by nuclear threats , from as close as Turkey to Nato and knowing that there possible would be a attack against Cuba in time, that would remeove that threat and also put the US on notice that they too were very vulnerable.
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Post by zipity on Jul 14, 2011 17:08:54 GMT -5
It's your state that fired the shot that was heard around the world, you are the state of Lexington and Concord, you started the battle for liberty right here in your backyard - Michelle Bachmann 3/11 in NHYou're the state where the shot was heard around the world at Lexington and Concord - Michelle Bachmann 3/11 in NHI found these quotes to be rather funny, Bachmann while in NH mistook Concord, NH for Concord, MA. As for Lexington, who knows, there is no Lexington, NH. The scary part isn't that she mistook NH for MA, heck even Sarah Palin could do that, the scary part was that the second quote came from a speech given almost a full day later and not one person on Bachmann's staff caught the mistake. It was all over the press around New England but Bachmann's hand picked staff either didn't notice or decided not to confuse her by informing her.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 14, 2011 20:11:48 GMT -5
i think Romney has a good chance of beating Obama. but the economy has to behave very badly between now and then to get him there. Ok let's assume for argument sake tha economy does perform badly for the next year and one half..do you really think the country will go with Romney??? You have to know or believe the Obama Administration will not only dice and slice Romney they Will destroy him by using his record as Governor of Massachusetts, his flips flops, his reinventing himself and his changes in positions... I just don't see Romney as the right guy to oppose Obama in 2012 and I have no inside track to the RNC but I don't think Romney is their choice either IMHO i dunno, PI. honestly, i really don't. i mean, i thought so, before this post, but i dunno. yes, i think he can beat Obama. but honestly? i didn't vote for him last time in the primary, and i doubt i would this time either.
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Post by zipity on Jul 15, 2011 0:39:30 GMT -5
In a way I think Ed is right. Who in their right mind wouldn't fear Bachmann or Palin in the white house? The reality however is that neither Bachmann nor Palin have the slightest chance of winning a general election which is why no one worries about it happening.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jul 15, 2011 11:03:06 GMT -5
In a way I think Ed is right. Who in their right mind wouldn't fear Bachmann or Palin in the white house? The reality however is that neither Bachmann nor Palin have the slightest chance of winning a general election which is why no one worries about it happening. This..... Besides, they are SO entertaining! ;D
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 15, 2011 11:07:51 GMT -5
I would love to see Bachmann or Palin as the Republican nominee. The results of the general election would then force either the left or the right to accept that the American people have made a choice.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jul 15, 2011 11:41:55 GMT -5
I would love to see Bachmann or Palin as the Republican nominee. The results of the general election would then force either the left or the right to accept that the American people have made a choice. I believe neither of these Lady's are viable candidates for POTUS, granted it's my feeling of their qualifications, and do believe that the PUBS will come up with a more viable candidate. However, the way candidates are picked now, both parties, unlike from a time most of you here don't remember, when the candidate was picked by stereotyped cigar smoking heavies of the particular political parties , in some back room as they wheeled and dealed, to get a viable candidate acceptable to the majority of all aspects of a political party, now with the actual winning of candidates, anything can happen. I wonder if the cigar filled back room deals weren't a better way to get better candidates to present to the public. Just a thought. The national political committee heads had great clout back then, thinking Kennedy especially with the top political leader of the Dems who was pushing Kennedy as a candidate, he was from Connecticut..and in other times the Republicans also had their influential leaders.. John Baily was the Connecticut and then the Democratic national chairman, and I wonder , as I said if that wasn't , in some ways a better way to get good candidates for these offices. As I said the Republicans also had their fellow Political Bosses.., Meade Alcorn, doing the same thing. Just a thought on the topic. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Moran_Baileyen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meade_Alcorn
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Post by ed1066 on Jul 15, 2011 11:45:13 GMT -5
I can't understand why so many liberals here claim to be "entertained" by someone they believe to be very stupid? Do you all laugh at retarded children you see on the street, too?
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Post by swamp on Jul 15, 2011 11:49:17 GMT -5
I can't understand why so many liberals here claim to be "entertained" by someone they believe to be very stupid? Do you all laugh at retarded children you see on the street, too? I'm not some kind of douchebag that laughs at retarded kids. I laugh at people who think they're smart but really aren't and are dumb enough to go public with it.
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Post by floridayankee on Jul 15, 2011 12:18:46 GMT -5
I can't understand why so many liberals here claim to be "entertained" by someone they believe to be very stupid? Do you all laugh at retarded children you see on the street, too? Simple minds.....
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Post by steff on Jul 15, 2011 12:24:27 GMT -5
I can't understand why so many liberals here claim to be "entertained" by someone they believe to be very stupid? Do you all laugh at retarded children you see on the street, too? Then it's safe to say that you've never watched a silly comedy movie and laughed? Never had a chuckle at the Griswalds? Didn't find a single scene in Dumb & Dumber to be the slightest bit funny? Didn't have a good hearty laugh thru Tommy Boy?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 15, 2011 12:31:44 GMT -5
I would love to see Bachmann or Palin as the Republican nominee. The results of the general election would then force either the left or the right to accept that the American people have made a choice. i would love to see a Bachmann/Palin ticket, myself. i would buy the poster.
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Post by ed1066 on Jul 15, 2011 12:36:33 GMT -5
I can't understand why so many liberals here claim to be "entertained" by someone they believe to be very stupid? Do you all laugh at retarded children you see on the street, too? Then it's safe to say that you've never watched a silly comedy movie and laughed? Never had a chuckle at the Griswalds? Didn't find a single scene in Dumb & Dumber to be the slightest bit funny? Didn't have a good hearty laugh thru Tommy Boy? Unless you are suggesting that Bachmann is pretending to be dumb for your entertainment, that's a lame argument...
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Post by steff on Jul 15, 2011 12:39:06 GMT -5
whatever ed..... no sense of humor I guess.....
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 15, 2011 14:02:05 GMT -5
I can't understand why so many liberals here claim to be "entertained" by someone they believe to be very stupid? Do you all laugh at retarded children you see on the street, too? i don't think Bachmann is stupid, and i never said so. in fact, i think she is probably pretty smart. which is why when she SAYS stupid things, with such conviction, it is FUNNY. you are absolutely right, ed. if i thought Bachmann was dumb, it would be cruel to laugh at her. but i don't think she is.
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Post by swamp on Jul 16, 2011 9:29:23 GMT -5
Then it's safe to say that you've never watched a silly comedy movie and laughed? Never had a chuckle at the Griswalds? Didn't find a single scene in Dumb & Dumber to be the slightest bit funny? Didn't have a good hearty laugh thru Tommy Boy? Unless you are suggesting that Bachmann is pretending to be dumb for your entertainment, that's a lame argument... No, Bachman is either too arrogant or too dumb to know she's dumb. ETA: After reading djlungrot's comment, I'm going with arrogant.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 16, 2011 9:35:27 GMT -5
The left fears Michelle Bachmann I have a very basic and fundamental question for all the really nice folks from Minnesota who voted for Michele Bachmann as their senator......WHAT WERE YOU THINKING? P.I ( I Was Anti-Bachmann Way Before It Was Cool!!).....
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 16, 2011 10:10:23 GMT -5
The left fears Michelle Bachmann I have a very basic and fundamental question for all the really nice folks from Minnesota who voted for Michele Bachmann as their senator......WHAT WERE YOU THINKING? P.I ( I Was Anti-Bachmann Way Before It Was Cool!!)..... they are in the most conservative district in the state.
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Post by cereb on Jul 16, 2011 10:27:30 GMT -5
"i don't think Bachmann is stupid, and i never said so. in fact, i think she is probably pretty smart. which is why when she SAYS stupid things, with such conviction, it is FUNNY."
Exactly.
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Post by handyman2 on Jul 16, 2011 11:03:14 GMT -5
Why does the left fear Bachman? Heck I don't know she has about as much chance of winning as my mule does winning the Derby. I will say this I think Romney is going to do better in the North East than people think. Those nice folks have a different way of looking at things.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 16, 2011 14:16:59 GMT -5
Why does the left fear Bachman? Heck I don't know she has about as much chance of winning as my mule does winning the Derby. I will say this I think Romney is going to do better in the North East than people think. Those nice folks have a different way of looking at things. i don't think anyone on the left fears her. but if i am mistaken, please feel free to illustrate how wrong i am.
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Post by zipity on Jul 18, 2011 0:43:55 GMT -5
Unless you are suggesting that Bachmann is pretending to be dumb for your entertainment, that's a lame argument...
No Ed, she's actually pretending to be smart for republicans.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 19, 2011 0:19:20 GMT -5
I just don't see any candidate the repubs are fielding yet that is a viable oponent to Obama. When I finally see or hear one then I will get concerned, but there are none out there yet. What happened? are there none smart enough now to field, or are they hanging back because they know noone can fix this mess in the foreseeable future and don't want to be blamed even though their party helped create it. I think the republican party is so split with the tea partiers that they can't get anything done and can't even unify enough to do anything. All they can do is create chaos and block any productive work being done and its a shame, we will all suffer for it in the long run. i know this is going to sound crazy to the GOP rank and file, but they have to start narrowing the field soon, and coalescing around a candidate for fundraising purposes. this disparate bunch of marginal candidates does not inspire anyone to commit themselves or their money.
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Post by tallguy on Jul 19, 2011 4:04:41 GMT -5
I can't understand why so many liberals here claim to be "entertained" by someone they believe to be very stupid? Do you all laugh at retarded children you see on the street, too? I don't know, Ed. We're all pretty entertained by you. Impressed, too. It must be damn hard to be so completely ridiculous ALL the time. Most people will at least occasionally make a certain amount of sense, even if it's by accident. And I'm not even a liberal.
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Post by Shirina on Jul 19, 2011 18:09:53 GMT -5
I don't fear Bachmann in the traditional sense. What worries me is that there could be enough people dissatisfied with Obama to cause a) Democrats to not vote or b) cause people to vote for Bachmann just to vote against Obama.
I just don't think the average American voter puts a lot of time or effort into deciding who to vote for. Some historians will argue that Carter, for instance, was elected because he had a nice smile, Kennedy was elected because he was young and attractive, Bush Jr. was elected because he claimed to be religious, etc. etc.
With that in mind, I could conceivably see how Bachmann could end up as the POTUS. If she can appeal to specific issues which concern the mass of one-issue voters, she could win. But only if the Democrats get lazy in 2012 and don't bother going to the polls - another conceivable event.
This could put a religious zealot into the White House, and yes, that scares me a little bit. I have no shame in admitting as much. Anyone who values TRUE freedom - not the right-wing fascist version of it - should be at least a little worried.
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Post by zipity on Jul 19, 2011 18:22:03 GMT -5
What I find amazing is that republicans are listening to Bachmann's words of wisdom instead of scrambling to do exactly the opposite of what she says.
"The current negotiations on the debt ceiling demonstrate exactly what's wrong with Washington, D.C.," she said. "And the American people are trying to get the attention of the politicians. We should never continue to spend … money we don't have. And now we are talking about trillions of dollars in debt. And just because that's the way politicians have done things in the past doesn't mean that's the way we should do it in the future. Those days are done. South Carolinians have had enough, as have the rest of us in this country."
"We should never continue to spend money we don't have." True enough but she doesn't seem to realize that having already spent that money it would be a disaster to not pay our bills, default and have our credit rating lowered. Then the government which is already costing us a lot more than we have will cost trillions more in added interest charges on our debt.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 19, 2011 18:55:14 GMT -5
i have been staring at the polls for the last half hour, and discovered something interesting.
i had long assumed that the Bachmann and Palin people were the same people. however, in polls where both are present -vs- where only one is, Bachman's numbers are a surprisingly steady 11-16%, even though Palin gets 12%, when she is shown. where does it come from, do you ask? from ROMNEY, surprisingly. when Palin is present, Romney polls about 10% lower.
now, that makes no sense to me whatsoever. can anyone explain that?
the good news for Bachmann fans is that Palin's entry into the race would not appear to affect Bachmann's numbers much. the bad news is that it would bring Romney so close to those ladies that it makes for a very muddled field.
in other words, it strangely appears to HELP Bachmann if Palin runs. and Romney might be wise to consider having her be his VP. that would be a smart move for him, i think.
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 19, 2011 19:59:45 GMT -5
i have been staring at the polls for the last half hour, and discovered something interesting. i had long assumed that the Bachmann and Palin people were the same people. however, in polls where both are present -vs- where only one is, Bachman's numbers are a surprisingly steady 11-16%, even though Palin gets 12%, when she is shown. where does it come from, do you ask? from ROMNEY, surprisingly. when Palin is present, Romney polls about 10% lower. now, that makes no sense to me whatsoever. can anyone explain that? the good news for Bachmann fans is that Palin's entry into the race would not appear to affect Bachmann's numbers much. the bad news is that it would bring Romney so close to those ladies that it makes for a very muddled field. in other words, it strangely appears to HELP Bachmann if Palin runs. and Romney might be wise to consider having her be his VP. that would be a smart move for him, i think. Were that to happen, and were Romney to run, and were Romney to win ... he'd best not die! If he dared to die while in office with that woman as VP, I'd dig the SOB up and beat him to death for a second time! ;D
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