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Post by henryclay on Jun 27, 2011 15:48:54 GMT -5
Why does the country know so little about him? Why does a new scientific poll show that half the population now thinks the congress should investigate and find out if he is who he says he is, and why he is so secretive about himself? Half of Americans would like to see Congress investigate Barack Obama's eligibility for the presidency and nearly that many believe the definition of the constitutional term "natural born citizen" means both parents must be U.S. citizens, according to a new scientific poll.
"There's no marginalizing those who want this matter investigated by Congress," said Fritz Wenzel of Wenzel Strategies, who conducted the WND/Wenzel Poll telephone survey June 16-19. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.85 points. www.wnd.com/?pageId=314585
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Post by Shirina on Jun 27, 2011 16:42:08 GMT -5
If I could do it and get away with it, I'd spam this useless thread to high heaven.
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Post by henryclay on Jun 27, 2011 16:52:41 GMT -5
Shirina, in your eternal quest for the truth, surely you're not saying you already know what half of the country still wants to know. Because if you re saying that, then wouldn't you feel obligated to give rise to their wishes and share that knowledge with your fellow countrymen, , , or women?
Just out of being a good citizen, wouldn't you want to share? Maybe make a few dollars in the process, , , , like go on a speaking tour, , , write a book or something, , , but share nonetheless?
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 27, 2011 16:55:17 GMT -5
Why does the country know so little about him?
Well Henry I know that more that half of this country @57% do NOT approve of President Barrack Obama and I have serious doubts that very many of the world leaders approve of him either. Except the Muslim leaders of course.
Also many republicans in congress would like to see Obama have Iraq repay the US for everything we have done for them.. But so far Obama has been reluctant to discuss this with al Maliki.. Or take the lead on debt reduction leadership with the leaders of congress.
So one has to wonder if the majority in congress approve of Obama or not because he will dodge the tough decisions like getting Iraq to repay some of the billions we spent and wasted there.
Just my two cents
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Post by vonnie6200 on Jun 27, 2011 16:57:08 GMT -5
If I could do it and get away with it, I'd spam this useless thread to high heaven. Why would you do that? Do you know something that is being hidden?
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 27, 2011 17:03:25 GMT -5
If I could do it and get away with it, I'd spam this useless thread to high heaven. Why stop now
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Post by marshabar1 on Jun 27, 2011 17:14:51 GMT -5
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Post by marshabar1 on Jun 27, 2011 17:15:45 GMT -5
Shirina, in your eternal quest for the truth, surely you're not saying you already know what half of the country still wants to know. Because if you re saying that, then wouldn't you feel obligated to give rise to their wishes and share that knowledge with your fellow countrymen, , , or women? Just out of being a good citizen, wouldn't you want to share? Maybe make a few dollars in the process, , , , like go on a speaking tour, , , write a book or something, , , but share nonetheless? Oh Henry. . .
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Post by Shirina on Jun 27, 2011 17:26:29 GMT -5
Look at the trash being sold at the check-out lines at any major grocery store. Endless tabloids about celebrity gossip, who is sleeping with whom, a candid shot of a hot actress with no make-up, someone's domestic argument ... the list is endless.
Those people in the survey care nothing for the truth. They want DIRT! They want gossip, innuendo, and any other tidbit of worthless information the public can sink its voyeuristic teeth into.
In the final analysis, the reason why you folks want to know more is because you're hoping to find new lengths of rope to hang him with, and any nuance from his past that can be spun, twisted, perverted, or outright lied about will be brought out and paraded around dishonestly like a circus of lies.
We have already seen this kind of idiotic behavior when it came to his "great" uncle liberating a concentration camp or his "father" serving in WWII, so why should I expect the deception and dishonesty to stop there?
You're like vultures circling around looking for more carrion since you have exhausted what was easily accessible.
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Post by henryclay on Jun 27, 2011 17:32:21 GMT -5
Shirina,. So what you're saying is that he got in by deceptiver means and he can only stay as long as the deception holds.
Thanks.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Jun 27, 2011 17:36:51 GMT -5
Shirina,. So what you're saying is that he got in by deceptiver means and he can only stay as long as the deception holds. Thanks. I think you got it right Henry - and you know it's only a good thing when the target is a conservative!
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Post by vonnie6200 on Jun 27, 2011 17:38:00 GMT -5
No offense Henry, but H.G. Welles got plenty of people running into the streets in fear of a Martian invasion in his day. Just because people believe something doesn't make it true. I would trust the very dull clerks at vital statistics over the tabloid press any day. Except of course the tabloids that outed John Edwards
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 27, 2011 18:06:47 GMT -5
This message has been deleted. duplicate again sorry Ma'am
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 27, 2011 18:06:51 GMT -5
Those people in the survey care nothing for the truth. They want DIRT! They want gossip, innuendo, and any other tidbit of worthless information the public can sink its voyeuristic teeth into.
Not really all the people who read that so called tabloid news and there are several all want Obama to be gone...and guess what they are not all conservatives..
Obama cannot be trusted to say or do what is right for this country ...excuse the pun but it is true..and you just are ignoring that fact ..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2011 18:44:20 GMT -5
No offense Henry, but H.G. Welles got plenty of people running into the streets in fear of a Martian invasion in his day. No offense toughtimes but I think your talking about Orson Wells.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2011 18:47:28 GMT -5
President Barack Obama is the President & I think we should let it go. Conservatives could better spend their time organizing voters to replace him the next election. Then if elected they should spend their time repealing just about everything the man passed during his time in the white house. We need to once & for all time let it be known that socialism will not be tolerated in the U.S.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 27, 2011 18:54:56 GMT -5
President Barack Obama is the President & I think we should let it go. Conservatives could better spend their time organizing voters to replace him the next election. Then if elected they should spend their time repealing just about everything the man passed during his time in the white house. We need to once & for all time let it be known that socialism will not be tolerated in the U.S. I would agree with you if he was doing some good things but he isn't doing much in my humble opinion....and Obama's low approval ratings backs me up on that claim.. President Barack Obama speaks in New York on June 23, 2011 on his fund raising trips. But finally then Obama made his first direct foray into the deficit negotiations Monday when he met with Senate Majority Harry "The Proscrastinator" Reid for the first time which may be too little too late...and again he is being given bad advice on our economic slowdown ...if there is not a budget deal then what will that do to our economy?? Think about it,,
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 27, 2011 19:01:08 GMT -5
Why does the country know so little about him? Why does a new scientific poll show that half the population now thinks the congress should investigate and find out if he is who he says he is, and why he is so secretive about himself? Half of Americans would like to see Congress investigate Barack Obama's eligibility for the presidency and nearly that many believe the definition of the constitutional term "natural born citizen" means both parents must be U.S. citizens, according to a new scientific poll.
"There's no marginalizing those who want this matter investigated by Congress," said Fritz Wenzel of Wenzel Strategies, who conducted the WND/Wenzel Poll telephone survey June 16-19. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.85 points. www.wnd.com/?pageId=314585oh for christsakes, man. this is a democracy. you don't like him, vote for some other clown next year. but please stop wasting our time with all this senseless speculation. he is our president, like it or not. just like the last one. and probably like the next one. adapt. if you love America as much as i do, you KNOW we will survive.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 27, 2011 19:02:47 GMT -5
oh for christsakes, man. this is a democracy. you don't like him, vote for some other clown next year. but please stop wasting our time with all this senseless speculation. he is our president, like it or not. just like the last one. and probably like the next one. adapt.
if you love America as much as i do, you KNOW we will survive.
I hear you but why didn't you comment on the thread about Congressman Akin's comments that were not really what he intended to say and were played for all they were worth by the Liberals here and used it to denounce religious folks as well...check it out but hold your nose because it doesn't even pass the smell test.
Henry Clay is NOT a big fan or Obama's and he has every right to post whatever he thinks makes his case that Obama has to go and I back him up 100%...can you deal with that??
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 27, 2011 19:11:02 GMT -5
oh for christsakes, man. this is a democracy. you don't like him, vote for some other clown next year. but please stop wasting our time with all this senseless speculation. he is our president, like it or not. just like the last one. and probably like the next one. adapt.
if you love America as much as i do, you KNOW we will survive. I hear you but why didn't you comment on the thread about Congressman Akin's comments that were not really what he intended to say and were played for all they were worth by the Liberals here and used it to denounce religious folks as well...check it out but hold your nose because it doesn't even pass the smell test. Henry Clay is NOT a big fan or Obama's and he has every right to post whatever he thinks makes his case that Obama has to go and I back him up 100%...can you deal with that?? i have no problem with what individuals say. especially ones that can articulate their positions. but i am getting increasingly impatient with what "Americans" who don't bother to articulate their positions think. 60% of Americans believed that Saddam was behind 911 in 2003. 60% of Americans believed that the hijackers were from Iraq. 68% of Americans believed in a physical hell overseen by the fiery one. if 60% of Americans think that Obama is from Timbuktu, i couldn't care less. let him govern, and if you don't like it, elect someone else.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 27, 2011 19:12:17 GMT -5
let him govern, and if you don't like it, elect someone else
Ok but not to be glib do you think he is doing a good job at governing?? if you do they we have to disagree....Obama can deliver a speech, warm up a crowd, ingratiate himself with his opponents, play a good game of basketball, shoot in the 70s on the Golf Courses in Washinton DC, but has he accomplished that much in 2 1/2 years to satisfy the voters of this country? I don't have a clue but would hazard a guess and say NO ..NO WAY NO HOW...
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 27, 2011 19:12:43 GMT -5
for the record, i would have voted for a moldy turnip over Bush in 2004, but Kerry was not better than a moldy turnip, imo. but never once, PRIOR TO 2004, did i call for his ouster.
sad what the primary process produces.
PI- i gotta go....but i will be back late tonight.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 27, 2011 19:16:54 GMT -5
for the record, i would have voted for a moldy turnip over Bush in 2004, but Kerry was not better than a moldy turnip, imo. but never once, PRIOR TO 2004, did i call for his ouster. sad what the primary process produces. PI- i gotta go....but i will be back late tonight. Ok but I am busy tonight so take care and will chat later..
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Post by ed1066 on Jun 27, 2011 20:55:57 GMT -5
Provocative thread, and you can see by the instant and hostile response from the left that they are very, very protective of this man. A lot is hidden. Some will come out and some won't, but one thing is clear; we have seen the last election where the candidates are not thoroughly vetted...
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Post by Shirina on Jun 27, 2011 21:14:51 GMT -5
It's not provocative, ed, it's repetitive, boring, and it has been done to death. I think what really bothers conservatives is that they haven't been able to land a smoking gun event against Obama. Just a lot of rumors, speculation, and groupthink from media talking heads.
If Obama is as bad as you people claim he is, then I find it odd that you cannot disparage him based on what IS known instead of sniffing around his garbage cans trying to find what ISN'T known. If I didn't know better, I would think that your political arguments are weak, and you know they are, so you've been chomping at the bit hoping for some definitive scandal that will utterly ruin the man. Perhaps some indecent pictures like Wiener, or maybe an illegitimate child or maybe you're hoping to find out he cheated on Michelle.
You want another blow job in the Oval Office. And you're praying to every deity in heaven that you find one.
It's pathetic.
I think Obama is a fair president. Not spectacular, not horrible, and certainly not "the worst president ever" as some have said. He isn't even close to that, but those who hate with irrational fervor care nothing for reality.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 27, 2011 21:22:23 GMT -5
I am sure djl- you can deal with it, but after a year of the same rhetoric, it's not like there are so many new people who come to these boards and need to be educated. It has gotten so old, thus so many moderates who would love a discussion of honeast merits have given up and left here.
The same rhetoric, again and again and again, never changing and because of the freedom allowed here to post anything at all, no matter how off the wall and untruthful it is , as long as not a personal attack on another poster, it gets old.
Especially when many who would love a chance to actualy discuss topics and the man and his ideas and policies find that the last thing wanted by the few who are most vocal is open honest and fair discussion, the last thing on their minds.
More the beliefe that they seem to have a platform to change the minds of others , promote their warped paranoia either by true convictions, which seems to some of us as not to be there, more the possibility by some of we posters that we are dealing with those who enjoy promoting anger, confusion for confusion sake.
Basically the things that those who enjoy Trolling these types of sites..thus earning the name of that endeaver, just being Trolls and as one knows, the last thing one ever gets from Trolls is a fair discussion or discourse with others, just not their thing, not on their agenda.
Sherina you have said it as well as anyone here..as to why the rhetoric we have been exposed to for over a year here..thanks for saying in so few words what some of us, me included, have taken to many words to express correctly.
The reason by a few here, for their continuouse blow hard rhetoric, though I still feel that my suggestion that for some of them, the fact of their being the caracture of those mystical creatures whoe's abodes seem to be under bridges also fits to a a tee as to what they really are, and as I suggsted, there is no sense even trying to communicate or have a dialogue with them, it's not on their agenda, IMHO.
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Post by ed1066 on Jun 27, 2011 21:49:23 GMT -5
It's not provocative, ed, it's repetitive, boring, and it has been done to death. I think what really bothers conservatives is that they haven't been able to land a smoking gun event against Obama. Just a lot of rumors, speculation, and groupthink from media talking heads. If Obama is as bad as you people claim he is, then I find it odd that you cannot disparage him based on what IS known instead of sniffing around his garbage cans trying to find what ISN'T known. If I didn't know better, I would think that your political arguments are weak, and you know they are, so you've been chomping at the bit hoping for some definitive scandal that will utterly ruin the man. Perhaps some indecent pictures like Wiener, or maybe an illegitimate child or maybe you're hoping to find out he cheated on Michelle. You want another blow job in the Oval Office. And you're praying to every deity in heaven that you find one. It's pathetic. I think Obama is a fair president. Not spectacular, not horrible, and certainly not "the worst president ever" as some have said. He isn't even close to that, but those who hate with irrational fervor care nothing for reality. LOL! Yes, I remember you vociferously defending Bush against the same accusations. NOT!
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Post by Shirina on Jun 27, 2011 22:01:01 GMT -5
And when did I register for this site? Oh, that's right ... Dec. 2010! During Bush's first term, I was on a forum run by a major radio talk show (no, not a political talk show), and during his second term, I was on the MSN US News board.
Were you there at either of them? And if so, what was your username?
Otherwise, you have no idea who I did or didn't defend, and I wouldn't be too quick to assume I hated Bush from the beginning. I didn't particularly want Bush to win, but I supported him even through Iraq. It was when the WMDs didn't turn up that I began to doubt.
But you go right ahead and pretend to be psychic if that makes you feel better. Perhaps you can land a gig with Madame Cleo or the Pyschic Hotline.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 27, 2011 22:19:53 GMT -5
let him govern, and if you don't like it, elect someone elseOk but not to be glib do you think he is doing a good job at governing?? i already stated that i think his idea of governing in a bipartisan fashion was all wet. the GOP never had any intention of cooperating with him. he should have rammed through EVERYTHING he had in mind while he had the power to do so. instead he sat back and waited to get clobbered in midterms. now, he has to negotiate with people that he has already capitulated to, rather than people who's asses he kicked for two years. dumb dumb dumb now, if you want me to answer "could McCain have done better?", the answer is absolutely not. he would not have sought bipartisanship, but without the Democrats on his side, he would have faced the same struggles or worse. we were going to get this government either way. which is why i don't really think it matters much. and his weakness is why i don't consider him very dangerous.
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Post by ed1066 on Jun 27, 2011 22:21:48 GMT -5
LOL! Under which name? Please...
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