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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 20, 2011 8:46:41 GMT -5
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Post by jkapp on Jun 20, 2011 8:56:12 GMT -5
Yes, let's believe the climatologists that don't get any research funding if they don't tow the global warming line, or lose their university jobs if they don't tow that line, or they get blacklisted by their peers if they don't tow the line... Please explain why non agenda driven/university based climatologists would suddenly not get research funding- usually government grants- based on reasearch outcomes , and who is in charge of the 'global warming line.' Now explain why anyone should take the word of any scientist/group directly funded by the people who stand to lose the most by any laws curbing their pollution- aka externalities-aka the shit society has to pay for the damage they cause. The reason we should take the word of scientists/groups who would lose Billions in funding and grants if AGW was not "widely accepted." And I love how they use the "peer-reviewed" studies as a way to prove AGW. So two sets of people with pre-conceived notions about AGW, and who rely on AGW to be accepted in order to keep their funding in place, agree that some AGW study is true. Wow...I'm convinced! Just as convinced as I'm sure you would be if a priest made a study proving God existed and it was peer-reviewed by a Lutheran Pastor and a Rabbi.
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Post by EVT1 on Jun 20, 2011 9:07:33 GMT -5
Why would they lose funding? Are you saying the governments of the world are all in some giant conspiracy to harass businesses for no reason?
Peer reviewed science is good science- Exxon reviewed science is bunk.
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Post by EVT1 on Jun 20, 2011 9:16:52 GMT -5
There is NOTHING- not one thing- rational about a person still clinging to the climate change hoax as though it were real. A rational person looks at all of the data and comes to a conclusion. Rational people may differ. You are just clinging to the 'climate change is a hoax' hoax perpetuated by mainly by bought off research. Rational people also err on the side of caution- maybe after all our activity isn't at fault-but as long as the science supports it it is prudent to act even if it costs a little of that precious profit.
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Post by EVT1 on Jun 20, 2011 9:19:22 GMT -5
You should be careful which other myths you cling to... Toxic torts are no myth- but I guess you probably think tobacco doesn't cause lung cancer either.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 9:23:32 GMT -5
Peer review is kind of like court appeal... its not based on the merits of the case, but adherence to procedure and practice. Peers review the validity of the methodology and conclusions on a procedural basis.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 9:24:06 GMT -5
Companies... review results based on what will make them the most money.
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Post by EVT1 on Jun 20, 2011 9:26:17 GMT -5
You mean they don't check their liberal ID card and rubber stamp it?
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Jun 20, 2011 9:51:38 GMT -5
Just substitute "corporations" with "scientists/groups" and your arguments are defeated. And who has more to lose, government or corporations? And we love how corporations (who know little about science) also have pre-conceived notions. So we have people that are more biased and know less about science, but somehow you're the winning team. Sure, uh-huh. And peer reviewing isn't a backpatting session. You know science sets itself up to "prove itself wrong." Funny, I've never seen a First Church of Global Warming anywhere. And except for here, I hardly think about it. Funny, there's lots of scientific articles out there. Sure beats a book that tells us the world is flat and if you commit adultery, you should be executed. And I bet you're wearing a mixed fabric right now. Also, you people worship greed ('cause Jesus overturned the bankers' tables because they weren't making enough money, I guess). LOL, you cling to and grossly ignore parts of your faith. As opposed to Conservatives' monoculturalism and xenophobia. Emulate dictatorships much? How's the regressivism going? When it comes to women's rights and child labor laws, you conservatives sure like to turn back the clock.
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 20, 2011 9:57:03 GMT -5
So now rational people are Godless because mindless capitalist conservative crazies happen to be in the same extremist group with the religious zealots- the CINO's? I think worshiping money and the free market is rather cultish- and I don't think for a second God appreciates your views on dumping poison into his creation, or causing cancer clusters, birth defects, and the host of other horrors the free market cultists inflict on the least of their brothers. If anyone is Godless it is you folks- because you don't care about anyone but yourselves.
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Post by jkapp on Jun 20, 2011 11:00:31 GMT -5
>>I think worshiping money and the free market is rather cultish- and I don't think for a second God appreciates your views on dumping poison into his creation, or causing cancer clusters, birth defects, and the host of other horrors the free market cultists inflict on the least of their brothers. If anyone is Godless it is you folks- because you don't care about anyone but yourselves.<< Ummm, the toxins are also part of God's creation...if God didn't create them, they wouldn't be there. But keep trying to spin your religion into Christianty's And you care about other people so much, you wish to control their lives, take away their liberties, raise their cost of living, and tax their earnings to the point that they are slaves to government. Yeah...real humanitarians. I notice how the religious teachings of personal responsibility are still lost on the left. It's like they don't even understand the concept so they ignore it
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 11:23:45 GMT -5
"Ummm, the toxins are also part of God's creation...if God didn't create them, they wouldn't be there."
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Post by jkapp on Jun 20, 2011 13:28:56 GMT -5
epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=10fe77b0-802a-23ad-4df1-fc38ed4f85e3More Than 700 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims The rise in skeptical scientists are responding not only to an increase in dire “predictions” of climate change, but also a steady stream of peer-reviewed studies, analyses, real world data, and inconvenient developments have further cast doubts on the claims of man-made global warming fear activists. The latest peer-reviewed study in Geophysical Research Letters is being touted as a development that “could turn the climate change world upside down.” The study finds that the “Earth is undergoing natural climate shift.” The March 15, 2009 article in WISN.com details the research of Dr. Anastasios Tsonis of the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. “We realized a lot of changes in the past century from warmer to cooler and then back to warmer were all natural," Tsonis said. “I don't think we can say much about what the humans are doing,” he added. Tsonis further added: “The temperature has flattened and is actually going down. We are seeing a new shift towards cooler temperatures that will last for probably about three decades.” Climatologist and Paloeclimate researcher Dr. Diane Douglas, who has authored or edited over 200 technical reports, also declared natural factors are dominating climate, not CO2. “The recent ‘panic’ to control GHG (greenhouse gas) emissions and billions of dollars being dedicated for the task has me deeply concerned that US, and other countries are spending precious global funds to stop global warming, when it is primarily being driven by natural forcing mechanisms,” --->still believe all peer-reviewed reports are accurate?? Or only those that conform to your "beliefs?"
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Post by EVT1 on Jun 20, 2011 16:39:36 GMT -5
I have no problem with actual dissenting scientists- the one's not funded by moneyed interests- they have something to contribute.
What you are doing is picking the science- a lot of it questionable- that supports your agenda and taking it as fact. What makes you any different? Are you a climatologist? I'm not- but I can read scientific studies and understand data analysis, plus it doesn't take a genius to know pollution is bad- remember smog, acid rain, dead waterways? Do they not exist? Is it so impossible for global warming to be real? If you cannot accept that then you are not objective, which makes you part of the other cult.
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Post by jkapp on Jun 20, 2011 16:45:20 GMT -5
I have no problem with actual dissenting scientists- the one's not funded by moneyed interests- they have something to contribute. What you are doing is picking the science- a lot of it questionable- that supports your agenda and taking it as fact. What makes you any different? Are you a climatologist? I'm not- but I can read scientific studies and understand data analysis, plus it doesn't take a genius to know pollution is bad- remember smog, acid rain, dead waterways? Do they not exist? Is it so impossible for global warming to be real? If you cannot accept that then you are not objective, which makes you part of the other cult. I have no problem with pro-AGW scientists either - as long as they too are not monied interests. unfortunately, nearly all of them are these days. Scientists will say they agree with AGW and want to do a study on how AGW will affect the mating habits of Rhinos...and then they get their grants. However, if AGW was not "widely accepted" they would have a much more difficult time getting those grants. So, of course, all of these scientists TOTALLY believe AGW is happening...that's their bread and butter.
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Post by lakhota on Jun 20, 2011 17:05:56 GMT -5
epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=10fe77b0-802a-23ad-4df1-fc38ed4f85e3More Than 700 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims The rise in skeptical scientists are responding not only to an increase in dire “predictions” of climate change, but also a steady stream of peer-reviewed studies, analyses, real world data, and inconvenient developments have further cast doubts on the claims of man-made global warming fear activists. The latest peer-reviewed study in Geophysical Research Letters is being touted as a development that “could turn the climate change world upside down.” The study finds that the “Earth is undergoing natural climate shift.” The March 15, 2009 article in WISN.com details the research of Dr. Anastasios Tsonis of the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. “We realized a lot of changes in the past century from warmer to cooler and then back to warmer were all natural," Tsonis said. “I don't think we can say much about what the humans are doing,” he added. Tsonis further added: “The temperature has flattened and is actually going down. We are seeing a new shift towards cooler temperatures that will last for probably about three decades.” Climatologist and Paloeclimate researcher Dr. Diane Douglas, who has authored or edited over 200 technical reports, also declared natural factors are dominating climate, not CO2. “The recent ‘panic’ to control GHG (greenhouse gas) emissions and billions of dollars being dedicated for the task has me deeply concerned that US, and other countries are spending precious global funds to stop global warming, when it is primarily being driven by natural forcing mechanisms,” --->still believe all peer-reviewed reports are accurate?? Or only those that conform to your "beliefs?" Why does the following link say " The Inhofe EPW Press Blog"? Inhofe is listed 8 times. There is nothing about Senator James Inhofe that is credible regarding global warming. epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?F....1-fc38ed4f85 e3 And, who exactly is Marc Morano, the author of said article? Marc Morano runs the climate website ClimateDepot.com for the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow, a conservative environmental think tank. Until spring of 2009, Morano served as communications director for the Republicans on the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works. Morano commenced work with the committee under Senator James Inhofe, who was majority chairman of the committee until January 2007 and is now minority ranking member. In December 2006 Morano launched a blog on the committee's website that largely promotes the views of climate change skeptics. Morano is a former journalist with Cybercast News Service (CNS), which is owned by the conservative Media Research Center. CNS and Morano were the first source in May 2004 of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth claims against John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election [1] and in January 2006 of similar smears against Vietnam war veteran John Murtha. Morano was "previously known as Rush Limbaugh's 'Man in Washington,' as reporter and producer for the Rush Limbaugh Television Show, as well as a former correspondent and producer for American Investigator, the nationally syndicated TV newsmagazine."[1] More: www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Marc_Morano
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Post by ed1066 on Jun 20, 2011 17:08:34 GMT -5
epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=10fe77b0-802a-23ad-4df1-fc38ed4f85e3More Than 700 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims The rise in skeptical scientists are responding not only to an increase in dire “predictions” of climate change, but also a steady stream of peer-reviewed studies, analyses, real world data, and inconvenient developments have further cast doubts on the claims of man-made global warming fear activists. The latest peer-reviewed study in Geophysical Research Letters is being touted as a development that “could turn the climate change world upside down.” The study finds that the “Earth is undergoing natural climate shift.” The March 15, 2009 article in WISN.com details the research of Dr. Anastasios Tsonis of the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. “We realized a lot of changes in the past century from warmer to cooler and then back to warmer were all natural," Tsonis said. “I don't think we can say much about what the humans are doing,” he added. Tsonis further added: “The temperature has flattened and is actually going down. We are seeing a new shift towards cooler temperatures that will last for probably about three decades.” Climatologist and Paloeclimate researcher Dr. Diane Douglas, who has authored or edited over 200 technical reports, also declared natural factors are dominating climate, not CO2. “The recent ‘panic’ to control GHG (greenhouse gas) emissions and billions of dollars being dedicated for the task has me deeply concerned that US, and other countries are spending precious global funds to stop global warming, when it is primarily being driven by natural forcing mechanisms,” --->still believe all peer-reviewed reports are accurate?? Or only those that conform to your "beliefs?" Great post, jkapp!
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Post by EVT1 on Jun 20, 2011 17:20:51 GMT -5
'Morano is a former journalist with Cybercast News Service (CNS), which is owned by the conservative Media Research Center. CNS and Morano were the first source in May 2004 of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth claims against John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election [1] and in January 2006 of similar smears against Vietnam war veteran John Murtha.
'Morano was "previously known as Rush Limbaugh's 'Man in Washington,' as reporter and producer for the Rush Limbaugh Television Show, as well as a former correspondent and producer for American Investigator, the nationally syndicated TV newsmagazine."[1]
As I said- AAA rated conservative source- sure as hell knows more than a bunch of goofy researchers with their math and their models.
I think the damn ocean could rise 2 feet and these people would be swimming in their front yards still hollering it's all a hoax.
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Post by jkapp on Jun 20, 2011 20:05:20 GMT -5
'Morano is a former journalist with Cybercast News Service (CNS), which is owned by the conservative Media Research Center. CNS and Morano were the first source in May 2004 of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth claims against John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election [1] and in January 2006 of similar smears against Vietnam war veteran John Murtha. 'Morano was "previously known as Rush Limbaugh's 'Man in Washington,' as reporter and producer for the Rush Limbaugh Television Show, as well as a former correspondent and producer for American Investigator, the nationally syndicated TV newsmagazine."[1] As I said- AAA rated conservative source- sure as hell knows more than a bunch of goofy researchers with their math and their models. I think the damn ocean could rise 2 feet and these people would be swimming in their front yards still hollering it's all a hoax. Yep...the same-old, same-old liberal arguments - lose the message, attack the messenger. Nothing about the fact that 700 scientists disagree with the "majority" (and this was an older article...2009 I believe). Don't mind the fact that the article included one of those pure, incontrovertable peer-reviewed studies and that it goes against everything the AGW propagandists are fearmongering about 24/7. Nope...their argument: who wrote the article?! Someone dared to actually speak against the left's AGW religion...BLASPHEMY!! ;D
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Post by lakhota on Jun 20, 2011 20:57:04 GMT -5
Rabid Republicans hate Liberals more than they love the planet.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 20, 2011 21:23:22 GMT -5
Jesus is right up there with Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny to these leftists. They keep his image in a jar of urine until they see fit to drag His Name out to try to score points with evangelicals. Your post is spot on.
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Post by lakhota on Jun 20, 2011 21:25:58 GMT -5
No, Jesus is NOT right up there with Santa Clause! Santa actually delivers!
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 20, 2011 21:26:15 GMT -5
Rabid Republicans hate Liberals more than they love the planet. Cut me some slack. I'd have to love the planet an awful lot to even things out-- I'm not sure I'm capable of that much love.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 20, 2011 21:26:43 GMT -5
No, Jesus is NOT right up there with Santa Clause! Santa actually delivers! Thank you for making my point.
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