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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 19, 2011 14:46:45 GMT -5
Why would they need to spank you when with a word they can destroy your life? By the way, you think spanking is wrong? How about keeping people working during a fire as happened in the World Trade Center disaster. Some who had successfully escaped were ordered back to their desks and they went. They didn't make it out twice either. Is that true, a fact?..the trade center comment? I hadn't heard that..
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 19, 2011 14:48:57 GMT -5
Why would they need to spank you when with a word they can destroy your life? By the way, you think spanking is wrong? How about keeping people working during a fire as happened in the World Trade Center disaster. Some who had successfully escaped were ordered back to their desks and they went. They didn't make it out twice either. Is that true, a fact?..the trade center comment? I hadn't heard that.. Absolutely a fact. A friend of mine died that way.
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Post by moon/Laura on Jun 19, 2011 15:21:01 GMT -5
My dear friend, I don't see you go topic to topic and ask for a point, now do I?
I'm not your "dear" anything.. just so we have that straight.
Now, I am totally OK with everyone having to clearly state a point of their point in the OP. Is that how it works here? I am happy to follow it.
Anyway, I already stated the point. People who abuse kids in the name of the Bible, or some other horse excrement, are really despicable, not to mention criminals in the eyes of the law. I like it that way. Thank goodness for laws in the USA protecting kids, just as there are laws protecting employees.
I agree.. i can't stand child abusers. but some go in the complete opposite direction and don't discipline at all.. that's a different topic though, and i'm not interested in getting into it..
Now, why are some people against spanking employees but for spanking kids? It is quite simple. They know that they would be the ones getting spanked if employers were given the right to spank.
uhhh no.. it's because as an adult, it's demeaning to spank as a form of "discipline", if you want to call it that. that's what being written up, put on probation or being fired is for.
They are minions at work, and take that frustration out on their kids when they come home.
i come home grumpy from work but i don't abuse my son as a result..
Pathetic. And once again, thank goodness for the laws.
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Post by marshabar1 on Jun 19, 2011 15:26:54 GMT -5
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 19, 2011 15:28:57 GMT -5
Moonbeam, I am happy to know that you do not stand for child abuse in the form of spanking.
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Post by moon/Laura on Jun 19, 2011 15:52:03 GMT -5
you are putting words in my mouth.. sort of..
i do not condone child abuse, period. however, your basic hand spanking consisting of 2-5 swats on the bottom is NOT child abuse, imo - as long as it does not involve excessive force. if it's leaving bruises, etc, that's excessive.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 19, 2011 15:59:23 GMT -5
you are putting words in my mouth.. sort of.. i do not condone child abuse, period. however, your basic hand spanking consisting of 2-5 swats on the bottom is NOT child abuse, imo - as long as it does not involve excessive force. if it's leaving bruises, etc, that's excessive. Despite some opposition to corporal punishment in the United States, the spanking of children is legal in all states.[18] Bans have been proposed in Massachusetts[19] and California[20][21] on all corporal punishment of children, including by parents, but these moves were heavily defeated.[22]It will be illegal at some point. As usual MA and CA are leading the way.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 19, 2011 15:59:44 GMT -5
however, your basic hand spanking consisting of 2-5 swats on the bottom is NOT child abuse, imo
Why not?
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Post by moon/Laura on Jun 19, 2011 16:05:45 GMT -5
because a swat is not a full force, all your energy and strength behind it, sort of thing... it gets the attention, and stings.. but it's not going to injure the child.
for the record, i don't spank my son- it's more effective when i take away his nintendo/computer/tv privileges, or time outside with his friends.
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 19, 2011 16:05:59 GMT -5
Okay, NoMore, you seem to be determined to prolong this rather inconsequential subject until it dies of old age. Let's say this: children who are of an age to be spanked, are not capable of the level of reasoning expected from adults; neither, due to the lack of full development in the frontal lobes, are they capable of impulse control to the extent which would be expected of an adult. For that reason, a slap on the backside will get their attention and will be completely understood. They're more likely to think about avoiding a slap on the backside than avoiding loss of privileges, at that point in their development. As they grow older, things change (hopefully!). A slap, or two, on a clothed backside is certainly not abuse, and I think you're well aware of that. This discussion has now become silly, IMO, and is accomplishing nothing. You're capable of much better discourse than you're showing here ... again, IMO.
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Post by moon/Laura on Jun 19, 2011 16:12:59 GMT -5
and the countdown continues... 4.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 19, 2011 16:17:29 GMT -5
Okay, NoMore, you seem to be determined to prolong this rather inconsequential subject until it dies of old age. Let's say this: children who are of an age to be spanked, are not capable of the level of reasoning expected from adults; neither, due to the lack of full development in the frontal lobes, are they capable of impulse control to the extent which would be expected of an adult. For that reason, a slap on the backside will get their attention and will be completely understood. They're more likely to think about avoiding a slap on the backside than avoiding loss of privileges, at that point in their development. As they grow older, things change (hopefully!). A slap, or two, on a clothed backside is certainly not abuse, and I think you're well aware of that. This discussion has now become silly, IMO, and is accomplishing nothing. You're capable of much better discourse than you're showing here ... again, IMO. Look, I didn't want to discuss this with you at all. I already told you - what's the point? You want me to discuss it or not?
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 19, 2011 16:21:30 GMT -5
This is how I "manipulate" my son. He has full freedom to do whatever it is he wants, as long as he gets top grades in school (preferably measured against 2-3 grade levels higher, which is how he has worked so far), and wins state and national competitions in math, pinao, and squash. Once he does that I shower him with gifts and love and attention. I have never had to take things/privileges away from him, nor hit him. Positive reinforcement works far better than any sort of negative reinforcement. That's how I was raised, and it worked very well.
I consider hitting kids who can't hit back a form of abuse. Pick someone your own size if you want to be abusive.
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 19, 2011 16:22:16 GMT -5
Let's not.
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Post by moon/Laura on Jun 19, 2011 16:23:52 GMT -5
oh.. i see.. you only love him when he lives up to your expectations. that's healthy for him.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 19, 2011 16:25:19 GMT -5
oh.. i see.. you only love him when he lives up to your expectations. that's healthy for him. OK, so do you want me to respond to it or not? I am happy either way. I am just afraid that if I do your feelings will be hurt, and I don't like to hurt anyone's feelings, being the sensitive guy that I am.
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