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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 12:55:43 GMT -5
THANK YOU to all the states doing what AZ is in court for trying to do!!!! The more that do it, the stronger our case. They can't sue the whole damned country for trying to enforce federal laws!!!! We have millions pouring in to help us take this all the way to the SCOTUS, and believe me, all of you that respect the LAWS of this great country, my Gov. Brewer is NOT going to give up. GO, Georgia, Alabama, etc!!!! And, hey, I read illegals make $100 a day picking Vidalia onions in Georgia. I'm SURE lots of your unemployed will gladly take those jobs. God BLESS the USA!!
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 17, 2011 12:57:18 GMT -5
Do you know what our immigration laws say? I do. They say that states have no rights to enforce immigration laws. Did you know that? If you know what our immigration laws are how can you defend those who refuse to follow the rules to coming into our country. Yes I know that if the Federal Government abdicates it's responsibility of defending border states from people illegally entering there states, they have a right under the 10th amendment of protecting themselves. Abdicate –verb (used with object) 2. to give up or renounce (authority, duties, an office, etc.), especially in a voluntary, public, or formal manner: King Edward VIII of England abdicated the throne in 1936. By doing nothing, leaving enormous swatches of border unguarded and unprotected for the past 50 years, you can defiantly make an argument that the Federal Government has given up the authority to the states in a voluntary manner.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 12:57:32 GMT -5
THANK YOU to all the states doing what AZ is in court for trying to do!!!! The more that do it, the stronger our case. They can't sue the whole damned country for trying to enforce federal laws!!!! We have millions pouring in to help us take this all the way to the SCOTUS, and believe me, all of you that respect the LAWS of this great country, my Gov. Brewer is NOT going to give up. GO, Georgia, Alabama, etc!!!! And, hey, I read illegals make $100 a day picking Vidalia onions in Georgia. I'm SURE lots of your unemployed will gladly take those jobs. God BLESS the USA!! Is that why Georgia farmers are complaining that they can't find an American to work under the hot sun (and potentially die of heatstroke) for $100 a day?
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 12:59:11 GMT -5
I do. They say that states have no rights to enforce immigration laws. Did you know that? If you know what our immigration laws are how can you defend those who refuse to follow the rules to coming into our country. Yes I know that if the Federal Government abdicates it's responsibility of defending border states from people illegally entering there states, they have a right under the 10th amendment of protecting themselves. Abdicate –verb (used with object) 2. to give up or renounce (authority, duties, an office, etc.), especially in a voluntary, public, or formal manner: King Edward VIII of England abdicated the throne in 1936. By doing nothing, leaving enormous swatches of border unguarded and unprotected for the past 50 years, you can defiantly make an argument that the Federal Government has given up the authority to the states in a voluntary manner. So go make the case in court. I support the "illegal" immigrants because the ancestors of most people in this country would have been "illegal" under current laws. This is a country of immigrants. This used to be a open door country. To cherish its ideals, it should once again be a open door country.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 13:01:15 GMT -5
If you know what our immigration laws are how can you defend those who refuse to follow the rules to coming into our country. Yes I know that if the Federal Government abdicates it's responsibility of defending border states from people illegally entering there states, they have a right under the 10th amendment of protecting themselves. Abdicate –verb (used with object) 2. to give up or renounce (authority, duties, an office, etc.), especially in a voluntary, public, or formal manner: King Edward VIII of England abdicated the throne in 1936. By doing nothing, leaving enormous swatches of border unguarded and unprotected for the past 50 years, you can defiantly make an argument that the Federal Government has given up the authority to the states in a voluntary manner. So go make the case in court. I support the "illegal" immigrants because the ancestors of most people in this country would have been "illegal" under current laws. This is a country of immigrants. This used to be a open door country. To cherish its ideals, it should once again be a open door country. How many countries on this planet have an "Open Door Immigration Policy"? I'm truly asking because I want to know.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 13:04:37 GMT -5
How many countries on this planet have an "Open Door Immigration Policy"? I'm truly asking because I want to know.
No idea.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 13:09:17 GMT -5
If farmers are complaining in Georgia it is because they pay illegals $100, and legals more than that. Tough shit-- pay the cost of doing business. Articles about this is in my illegals thread.. that I have been neglecting...I'll update it now. Feel free to browse, judge, criticize, etc, Cotes..
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 13:10:47 GMT -5
If farmers are complaining in Georgia it is because they pay illegals $100, and legals more than that. Tough shit-- pay the cost of doing business. Articles about this is in my illegals thread.. that I have been neglecting...I'll update it now. Feel free to browse, judge, criticize, etc, Cotes.. But, I am told that businesses cannot afford to pay more! That the poor should either spend less or go get a second job.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 13:10:56 GMT -5
How many countries on this planet have an "Open Door Immigration Policy"? I'm truly asking because I want to know. No idea. Can you name 2 'RELEVANT' countries that have this as a policy? By 'relevant', I mean a country that has a similar economic or societal structure to the USA. Ex. France, England, Russia, China, etc.....
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 13:12:32 GMT -5
I already told you, no idea. I am talking about the principles this country was founded on.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 13:16:34 GMT -5
I already told you, no idea. I am talking about the principles this country was founded on. The original principles of the country probably had nothing to do with millions upon millions of immigrants (legal or otherwise) coming into the country and trying to bypass our laws and usurp power by any means necessary.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 13:17:29 GMT -5
I already told you, no idea. I am talking about the principles this country was founded on. The original principles of the country probably had nothing to do with millions upon millions of immigrants (legal or otherwise) coming into the country and trying to bypass our laws and usurp power by any means necessary. Dude, millions and millions of immigrants formed this country. There was no issue of legality as immigration was open.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 13:21:51 GMT -5
The original principles of the country probably had nothing to do with millions upon millions of immigrants (legal or otherwise) coming into the country and trying to bypass our laws and usurp power by any means necessary. Dude, millions and millions of immigrants formed this country. There was no issue of legality as immigration was open. There wasn't a NEED for comprehensive immigration legality. There is now. That's the difference.
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Post by kadee79 on Jun 17, 2011 14:15:48 GMT -5
Not necessarily! They just need to follow the laws of OUR land and come legally! I don't have any problems with the legal ones, just the ones that are breaking our laws!
And BTW, my ancestors came here legally at the time of their arrival. Many laws have changed since that time!
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Post by jarhead1976 on Jun 17, 2011 14:33:33 GMT -5
Doesn't matter. The Feds will shit it down. States have no rights to make immigration policy. The states are enforcing the very laws the feds ignore
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 14:35:46 GMT -5
Doesn't matter. The Feds will shit it down. States have no rights to make immigration policy. The states are enforcing the very laws the feds ignore They don't have the right to do so.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 14:36:49 GMT -5
Not necessarily! They just need to follow the laws of OUR land and come legally! I don't have any problems with the legal ones, just the ones that are breaking our laws! And BTW, my ancestors came here legally at the time of their arrival. Many laws have changed since that time! I know. Once they were in, their descendents decided to shut the door. After all, they got theirs, so who cares about the principles on which this country was founded?
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 14:37:14 GMT -5
Dude, millions and millions of immigrants formed this country. There was no issue of legality as immigration was open. There wasn't a NEED for comprehensive immigration legality. There is now. That's the difference. What is the need?
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Post by jarhead1976 on Jun 17, 2011 14:39:06 GMT -5
They ( The States) certainly do and they are. One reason O'bumble is heading out the door. maybe he can get back to his Irish roots
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 14:41:03 GMT -5
There wasn't a NEED for comprehensive immigration legality. There is now. That's the difference. What is the need? Cost ?
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Post by EVT1 on Jun 17, 2011 14:45:51 GMT -5
I know. Once they were in, their descendents decided to shut the door. After all, they got theirs, so who cares about the principles on which this country was founded? Seems to be a theme lately- got mine screw everyone else. Perhaps the Native Americans should have had a more aggressive immigration policy. Is there any group of people we haven't screwed yet?
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 15:00:44 GMT -5
What is the cost? And what is the offsetting benefit? And is the cost higher than it used to be in the past? What about benefits?
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 15:02:04 GMT -5
They ( The States) certainly do and they are. One reason O'bumble is heading out the door. maybe he can get back to his Irish roots My friend, you are a dreamer I see.
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Post by jarhead1976 on Jun 17, 2011 15:04:43 GMT -5
8 U.S.C. § 1325 : US Code - Section 1325: Improper entry by alien No dream just the facts.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 15:05:47 GMT -5
What is the cost? And what is the offsetting benefit? And is the cost higher than it used to be in the past? What about benefits? I was the one asking the cost question, hence the question mark after the word. What was the point of re-asking on the next post. Dodging ?
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Post by jarhead1976 on Jun 17, 2011 15:06:13 GMT -5
A person (including a group of persons, business, organization or local government) commits a federal felony when he:
assists an alien whom he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him to obtain employment, encourages that alien to remain in the U.S., by referring him to an employer, by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.
Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime.
Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without verifying his work authorization status is guilty of a misdemeanor. Aliens and employers violating immigration laws are subject to arrest, detention, and seizure of their vehicles or property. In addition, individuals or entities who engage in racketeering enterprises that commit (or conspire to commit) immigration-related felonies are subject to private civil suits for treble damages and injunctive relief.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 15:06:20 GMT -5
8 U.S.C. § 1325 : US Code - Section 1325: Improper entry by alien No dream just the facts. Details, please? BTW, are you in active duty?
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Post by jarhead1976 on Jun 17, 2011 15:06:36 GMT -5
A person or entity having knowledge of a violation or potential violation of employer sanctions provisions may submit a signed written complaint to the INS office with jurisdiction over the business or residence of the potential violator, whether an employer, employee, or agent. The complaint must include the names and addresses of both the complainant and the violator, and detailed factual allegations, including date, time and place of the potential violation, and the specific conduct alleged to be a violation of employer sanctions. By regulation, the INS will only investigate third party complaints that have “a reasonable probability of validity.”26
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 15:07:13 GMT -5
A person (including a group of persons, business, organization or local government) commits a federal felony when he: assists an alien whom he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him to obtain employment, encourages that alien to remain in the U.S., by referring him to an employer, by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions. Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime. Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without verifying his work authorization status is guilty of a misdemeanor. Aliens and employers violating immigration laws are subject to arrest, detention, and seizure of their vehicles or property. In addition, individuals or entities who engage in racketeering enterprises that commit (or conspire to commit) immigration-related felonies are subject to private civil suits for treble damages and injunctive relief. What does that have to do with states' rights?
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 15:07:56 GMT -5
A person or entity having knowledge of a violation or potential violation of employer sanctions provisions may submit a signed written complaint to the INS office with jurisdiction over the business or residence of the potential violator, whether an employer, employee, or agent. The complaint must include the names and addresses of both the complainant and the violator, and detailed factual allegations, including date, time and place of the potential violation, and the specific conduct alleged to be a violation of employer sanctions. By regulation, the INS will only investigate third party complaints that have “a reasonable probability of validity.”26 Complain away.
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