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Post by kimber45 on Jun 13, 2011 10:05:15 GMT -5
How much you wanna bet the Scap Metal Business is a stealing scrap metal business. We see a lot of that in the Fargo area
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Post by sheilaincali on Jun 13, 2011 10:49:42 GMT -5
We had the same problem where I work too. Had to install a fence and a gate to keep people from stealing the scrap metal. Damn fence paid for itself in about 3 weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2011 11:47:51 GMT -5
I'm guessing that stable employment and education are somewhat in odds with living life on the road. They are probably trying to perpetuate their culture by limiting their kids options while they are young. I bet a good portion of those kids, if educated into adulthood, would not choose that lifestyle. I remember in Rome that the gypsies would come by and put their hands on your food while you were eating outside. Most of the time the tourists would then give them the food because they were pretty dirty.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2011 11:53:24 GMT -5
They must have a fairly high out migration from the community. I mean, with the number of kids they have they would have taken over a country or two by now otherwise.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Jun 13, 2011 12:05:16 GMT -5
I watched that show and I was pretty disgusted that many of them couldn't read or write. These are basic skills. The show is based in the UK and they said there were about 300k Roma and Irish Travelers. Many of them are now choosing to live in a house. In someways they are very much discriminated against. One of the brides to be was 22 and working for 5 years and before she left her job, she informed her boss that she was a gypsy. He was shocked. He had no idea. She would not have been hired or even had been fired if he had known that. She worked in a hotel and he would tell her not to rent rooms to gypsies.
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Post by daisylu on Jun 13, 2011 12:15:15 GMT -5
I saw the show, and feel so bad for the young ladies who have no idea what else is out there for them. The 22YO who got married was forced to quit her job and now just spends all day cleaning a camper. Her advice to girls was "do not get married! Live your life."
I was also appalled at the way the girls dressed and danced at the reception. Some of them could not have been more than 6 years old, and were dressed so scantily.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2011 12:32:38 GMT -5
I think they are just trying to keep their culture. From a small snippet I saw, one woman mentioned that the government was not allowing them to travel. I'm not sure what that meant, but it sounded like they didn't really choose to stay in one place. I doubt they view it as not doing what is best for their children, they are just rejecting the values of the culture that is surrounding them. I don't get the appeal of being a gypsy, but then I also don't get the Amish.
I doubt they are going to be able to maintain their culture, while living and interacting with non gypsies. There doesn't seem to be any major philosophy behind it that would hold it together, like religious teachings or something.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Jun 13, 2011 12:44:37 GMT -5
The title of the OP and the content I think are very different questions.
I've seen parents who worked really hard to get where they are, then gave their kids advantages that the parents themselves never had. Part of what made the parents so successful was the struggle. The kids start off with the benefits, but without an appreciation for what it takes to get there. Its easy to get a warped view of the world. My father was one of 3 kids (out of probably 50+ who grew up on the same block he did in NYC) to go to college. In my upbringing, I never got the sense that NOT going was an option.
That can also take a toll on the parents if they don't save anything for themselves. If they pay $250k over 8 years to send 2 kids to college, but then don't adequately prepare for their own retirements, problems can happen.
Not sure what to say about the gypsies, but if you are raised in such a strict environment, then you don't believe what you are doing is wrong. Who is to say that an expensive education, a long career, and a bunch of money is the right way either. There are plenty of very happy people who do not have 401Ks, investment properties, and education beyond 7th grade, if that.
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Post by midjd on Jun 13, 2011 12:50:51 GMT -5
I think this is true, and it kind of dovetails with the "do irresponsible parents raise responsible children?" topic. Generation A struggles and builds wealth from humble beginnings... generation B squanders it all with a sense of entitlement... generation C starts swinging the pendulum back toward Generation A.
At least that's how it works in my family - both sets of grandparents were very successful, while my parents were... I don't want to say "spoiled", but they certainly took a lot of things for granted, and in both cases, ended up far below where my grandparents were at their ages. With the exception of my brother, the rest of us in Generation C seem to be handling things OK.
In DH's family, his sister is a prime example. DH's dad started a successful logging business with an 8th-grade education. DH and his older sister remember what it was like when they were still poor - his younger sister doesn't. So she grows up assuming she can drop out of school (or barely graduate) and go on to buy the nice house, boats, cars, and everything else my ILs have - without considering the work, struggle, and a good dab of luck involved in getting there.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2011 12:51:30 GMT -5
We used to get flyers on our doors that gypsies were coming thru town and to not even open the door to them because they'd keep you busy in front while the rest would go in your back and steal. That's what German Shepherds and guns are for. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2011 12:59:13 GMT -5
Not educating your kids and encouraging them to marry (or at least breed) young is an excellent way of controlling them and keeping them close. Two examples are Arabs and Amish. you should change Arabs to Fundamentalist Muslim. My FIL is 100% Lebanese and actively encouraged his children's academic advancement. But he is Presbyterian.
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 13, 2011 13:05:49 GMT -5
For sure. Our neighbors are Arab and they are BOTH college educated and both their kids are going to college. The girl's not too bright but the boy is going to be another Bill Gates.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 13, 2011 13:28:55 GMT -5
I don't see this being true in my family. My Grandparents worked hard. My father's generation all worked hard and had significant success. All of my father's children were hard workers and had significant success. And now, the grandchildren are starting to emerge from college with a really decent work ethic.
Maybe it is because my grandparents weren't immigrants?
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Post by midjd on Jun 13, 2011 13:35:38 GMT -5
I dunno. Mine weren't, either. It may depend on the attitude with which the children are raised... some parents seem to want to shelter them from their own struggles, which is probably what pushes the pendulum in the opposite direction. I think if you're aware of the work it takes to get to a certain place in life, you're more likely to make the choices that will allow you to get there...
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Post by moneymaven on Jun 13, 2011 14:38:21 GMT -5
Not educating your kids and encouraging them to marry (or at least breed) young is an excellent way of controlling them and keeping them close.
Two examples are Arabs and Amish.
Sorry Phil but this is an inaccurate statement. I am not educated in the ways of the Amish but I am very well information and educated about Middle Eastern religions and culture. This is just inaccurate.
Generalizations should be challenged. I can appreciate what moneyjenny said to change that to "Fundamental Muslims". I would still take that a step further to state "Fundamental [Any Religion]" look for ways to control their children and their thinking/actions.
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Post by midjd on Jun 13, 2011 14:43:02 GMT -5
True, Insmoneymaven... just look at the Duggars.
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Post by moneymaven on Jun 13, 2011 14:48:09 GMT -5
True, Insmoneymaven... just look at the Duggars.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2011 21:52:40 GMT -5
Can anyone tell me where they get all this money from for these weddings? I was curious so I googled it. Apparently they buy and sell a good deal of scrap metal. They breed dogs for sale (one of the smaller breeds- can't remember which off the top of my head). And do construction work. Several of the grooms have referenced doing "Tree Trimming" as their occupation. In this last week's episode one groom wouldn't allow his face to be shown because he thought it would hurt his scrap metal business. I was shocked by how the young girls dressed and danced. Very provocative to say the least. According to good old google- they have very high moral standards and are chaperoned when dating and engaged at all times. The chaperone's are apparently not paying attention when the girl gets grabbed and hauled off against her will by a prospective suitor :P Apparently getting hauled off is ok as long as the girl is unwilling.
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