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Post by txbo on Jun 6, 2011 16:17:58 GMT -5
In todays world we would not even get involved. The nations that Germany invaded first have to much military capabilities today and germany would have been defeated long before we got in. Russia would nuke them in a heart beat today. I like Germany just the way it is today, let sleeping dogs lie.
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Post by txbo on Jun 6, 2011 16:26:15 GMT -5
By the way, did you know Ike is a Texan?
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 6, 2011 16:28:58 GMT -5
Ike ended the Korean War as he promised and warned us all about the power of the Military Industrial Complex and what harm it would bring on our nation if not monitored and controlled....and that is why I like Ike..just in case you were wondering
I admire a guy who was a Lt Col in 1941 and four years later was a 4 star Commander of all the Allied Forces in Europe...not too bad for a boy from Texas..
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 6, 2011 16:30:13 GMT -5
As I was skimming this soon to be lost thread regarding D day in Normandy..I realize, with all the talk about veterans , sacrifices, appreciation of, it seems there is a time limit to the appreciation and caring, and interest too.. Todays local paper had a note that there are about 1.6 million American Veterans alive out of the 16 million who served in this conflict, which makes sense to me . DAD, Uncle Joe, Cousin Lester , Irving, , Bobby, Uncle Lou [1st and second if you can believe, second served in Washington, first France, gassed}all gone and since all are up there , those who are alive I expect the # to dwindle quickly.
Yet it definitely seems no interest, respect for , appreciation of, anything positive from anyone who took the time to post here for this day, what it represented , the sacrifices made in less then three years , of where we came from to where we were.
We got ed's thoughts, "Why are you pretending to admire that? Ike would be run out on a rail.."[ Not pretending to ed . admire, admiring he and those he commanded].
Marsha's "Not a single apology for America. What kind of president was he? [ Not sure of what he was suppose to apologize for , America, the deaths of German military and the unfortunate civilian s who lost their lives? It was a total war, if that was it, with the weapons of the day, and the tactics that were thought of to win the quickest Marsh. As far as what kind of President, eight years means the American populace on the whole were happy with his leadership. What the historians think of him, I really don't know, haven't studied him in that way, though he definitely had it right when he warned the country to be suspicious of the weapon industrial complex and how they could manipulate the system , play on fears and seduce legislatures , more for their benefit then the country's. he had that one nailed correctly.
Old didn't like one of my posts on Israel which is fine but what it has to do with this thread I haven't a clue.
Krick never did post on the thread, more interested in exchanging summer addresses ..there is a PM feature here.
Think there were two or three posts along those lines...possible some others but they would all be on all and everything but the thread posted here on D Day, ...the ones who participated , the General in charge.
So I guess it means there is a time line of interest on these things those who partake so all I can say to those here who served in the past, recent past and the one I know of who is now serving, enjoy the moment, the thanks and the recognition, it seems once it gets to the high 60's in duration from the actual happening , the recognition seems to run to..
"We were at war then, with who? You got to be kidding, never..give me a link then. Well I never...had no idea, and you were there? How old are you again "
Along those lines it seems to run , IMHO. ;D
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Post by txbo on Jun 6, 2011 17:25:07 GMT -5
I guess you had to be there in Europe or Germany during that time to really understand and appreciate Ike. He also valued the autobahn system and initiated our interstate highway system.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 6, 2011 17:32:35 GMT -5
I guess you had to be there in Europe or Germany during that time to really understand and appreciate Ike. He also valued the autobahn system and initiated our interstate highway system. I think Ike also tried to advice President Kennedy for us not to get involved in Vietnam and Southeast Asia....Ike was for military advisors only but apparently Kennedy didn't go with Ike's suggestions and went with McNamara instead..
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 6, 2011 17:36:18 GMT -5
I guess you had to be there in Europe or Germany during that time to really understand and appreciate Ike. He also valued the autobahn system and initiated our interstate highway system. That he did and I guess he got that from the autobam, I never really travelled before a trip West a long time ago and remember talking about how great it was to travel on the , then, newish high ways , tillI came to Misssippi...pretty bad then, lol, think they forgot they had a State there.
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Post by wyouser on Jun 6, 2011 17:40:11 GMT -5
Just some reflection....The times were a bit simplier...it was perhaps easier to see who the enemy or aggressor was. Eisenhower had his hands full dealing with all the allies to coordinate efforts to defeat the Nazi's. Even his Generals were sometimes hard to get to work together..think Montgomery and Patton.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 6, 2011 17:47:35 GMT -5
Ike being a Conservative and Sheppard of government spending including waste and fraud would be appalled to see this waste of Air Force #1 Use I agree those times were much simpler and our Presidents were well respected by the entire nation.
This is from Mark Knoller of CBS. The pilots and crew of Air Force One are flying more hours than a rookie on a beer run. They are tired of it too, and are adding more crew to Air Force-1, - I know this for a fact because I'm one of the instructors that trains the crews. Our company (Atlas Air) has had the Air Force-1 and E-4 contract for over two years and I've been doing it for about 8 months now.
Last year (2010) Obama flew in Air Force One 172 times, almost every other day.
White House officials have been telling reporters in recent days that the Democrat doesn't intend to hang around the White House quite so much in 2011. They explain he wants to get out more around the country because, as everyone knows, that midterm election shellacking on Nov. 2 had nothing to do with his health care bill, over-spending or other policies, and everything to do with Obama's not adequately explaining himself to his countrymen and women.
And with only 673 days remaining in Obama's never ending presidential campaign, the incumbent's travel pace will not likely slacken.
At an Air Force-estimated cost of $181,757 per flight HOUR (not to mention the additional travel costs of Marine One, Secret Service, logistics and local police overtime), that's a lot of frequent flier dollars going into Obama's carbon footprint.
We are privy to some of these numbers thanks to CBS' Mark Knoller, a bearded national treasure trove of presidential stats. According to Knoller's copious notes, during the last year, Obama made 65 domestic trips over 104 days, and six trips to eight countries over 22 days. Not counting six vacation trips over 32 days.
He took 196 helicopter trips, signed 203 pieces of legislation and squeezed in 29 rounds of left-handed golf.
Obama last year gave 491 speeches, remarks or statements. That's more talking than goes on in some entire families, at least from fatherly mouths.
In fact, even including the 24 days of 2010 that we never saw Obama in public, his speaking works out to about one official utterance every 11 waking hours. Aides indicate the "Real Good Talker" believes we need more.
Related: Obama spends nearly half his presidency outside Washington , plans to travel more
Related: Vacationer-in-Chief Spends $1.75 Million to Visit Hawaiian Chums.
Obama has spent over $100 million taxpayer dollars flying around in Air Force One, and probably another $100 million on his entourage. Obama is just another tin-pot dictator living lavishly at the expense of his subjects.
And we seniors have to "tighten our belts" because we aren't getting a COLA again this year... and none last year!
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 6, 2011 17:49:35 GMT -5
Just some reflection....The times were a bit simplier...it was perhaps easier to see who the enemy or aggressor was. Eisenhower had his hands full dealing with all the allies to coordinate efforts to defeat the Nazi's. Even his Generals were sometimes hard to get to work together..think Montgomery and Patton. Simpler in some ways but then the theater they were involved with. Africa, Mediterranean, Italy, the Balkans, the sheer amount of people involved, equipment, no computers...just the paper..the shipping with the supplies..and still planning and thinking about Europe, and the equipment they had then vs today, 1000 plane raids..., 10 bombers go down, 100 trained men lost, whether they got out or not..they were lost and all those skills, training. Remarkable accomplishment and Ike ,, in charge of it all.
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Post by domeasingold on Jun 6, 2011 17:50:17 GMT -5
First of all "Ike" was commander of all Allied forces. At the time he had a job to do. What apology did he owe and to whom. Lest you all forget, that war started out with the survival of America in question. No one with the exception of FDR could know what was to come three to four years later. Oh, FDR foresaw this war years before we were actually in it. He knew by the middle thirties we were destined to clash with both Germany and the Japanese. He however did not expect it to be similtaneous. Also, was not God (which ever God any individual chooses) the Supreme being we all asked for guidance. I kid you not, in the heat of battle you ask for God's help and protection. I can only speculate on what my father felt as he sailed the Pacific on an escort carrier for four years, or my uncle(his brother) felt while manning a 75mm gun in a tiny Stuart tank fighting Rommel in North Africa, or even my Father in law, a Marine on Iwo Jima loading bombs on B-25's. This all may not mean much to you but D-Day to them meant the war would end soon but we still hadn't won. That took the annilation of two aggressor countries. My generation had Viet Nam of which I am a veteran. Did I feel the same way as that earlier generation? I wasn't fighting for the immediate danger to my country but I was fighting for the freedom I had and still enjoy. What kind of president was "Ike"? He was a president that all current and future hopefuls should hope to measure up to.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 6, 2011 17:54:27 GMT -5
your feeling , me thinks Ike would have thought " Damn , born to early, how I would have loved all those toys...so easy to get around, do my job...also think after reading the post above, "Lighten up son, your disrespect is showing , try giving it a rest..it really is silly and getting soooo old, really beneath one who is supposed to have been there , really old"...
Naturally what Ikes thoughts would have been , IMHO.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 6, 2011 17:55:36 GMT -5
What kind of president was "Ike"? He was a president that all current and future hopefuls should hope to measure up to.
I think the country really liked Ike and his wife Mamie and he was a very plain spoken, no nonsense man.. When he held a press conference you knew what he said was the truth.. If you have the time replay his address about the Military Industrial Complex it is outstanding and very insightful ..
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Post by domeasingold on Jun 6, 2011 17:57:08 GMT -5
Semper Fi! P.I.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 6, 2011 18:00:08 GMT -5
Thanx.....I remember an interview with Walter Chronkite and Ike at the Memorial Cemetary at Normandy France just after Ike retired from public life and Ike said " When I walk through these rows of crosses, I see names of men I knew and I say to myself how sad and how unfair these men died so young and never had a chance to live a long and full life like I have" And the Old General and President's eyes teared up...and Chronkite was unable to say anything for a few minutes or so...goood stuff..
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Post by domeasingold on Jun 6, 2011 18:03:29 GMT -5
...also think after reading the post above, "Lighten up son, your disrespect is showing , try giving it a rest..it really is silly and getting soooo old, really beneath one who is supposed to have been there , really old"...
Just who am I disrespecting?
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 6, 2011 18:11:13 GMT -5
...also think after reading the post above, "Lighten up son, your disrespect is showing , try giving it a rest..it really is silly and getting soooo old, really beneath one who is supposed to have been there , really old"... Just who am I disrespecting?No one that I can see, you posted before I did, seems we passed in the night. One posted he's feeling of what he thought Ike would feel regarding a certain topic and I disagreed, I thought he would have posted as I indicated, naturally neither of us are qualified to speak for the General, just a IMHO, and in the other one IHHO...#38 post was the one I was referring to. Any reason for all the bold??
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Post by henryclay on Jun 6, 2011 18:20:04 GMT -5
Cat fight. Cat fight. He started it. No I didn't, you did. Didn't. Did so.
It had to come. Everything was going too well.
It HAD to come.
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Post by domeasingold on Jun 6, 2011 18:21:28 GMT -5
Sorry Dez. You are right. Our ships passed through at the same time. I just read your post wrong and assumed it was posted after mine. Guess this happens time to time in social media. Bold was to get your attention. Guess it did. On the original post thought. I am very much a WWII historian. Being that I am of the generation of post war offspring, I feel it is my responsibility that those guys are never forgotten as we know they will all be gone shortly. I have personally lost all those in my family who were veterans. Funny how with all the "boomers" in my family, I was the only one to enter service. Before people say I must of been the only stupid one, let me tell you that I was through two years of college prior to my enlistment and commenced to finish college after, whereas many of my contemporaries rarely finished college in the four years they were not affected by military service. Now, if we can remember those from each war that followed: Korea, Viet Nam, Gulf Wars.
EAT ME HENRY!
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Post by henryclay on Jun 6, 2011 18:34:10 GMT -5
Thanks for the invite domeoldboy, but I don't do boys. I don't even do girls any more. Fact is I don't do much of anything any more except remember how things once was. There's a poem that goes with it.
My get up and go has got up and went. My vim and my vigor is just about spent. But slumped in my rocker I can still work a grin, When I think of the places my get up has been.
And I learned a long time ago that if a post questions, or in any way can be skewed to question old desi, he's gonna take notice and test your mettle.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 6, 2011 18:34:38 GMT -5
Sorry Dez. You are right. Our ships passed through at the same time. I just read your post wrong and assumed it was posted after mine. Guess this happens time to time in social media. Bold was to get your attention. Guess it did. On the original post thought. I am very much a WWII historian. Being that I am of the generation of post war offspring, I feel it is my responsibility that those guys are never forgotten as we know they will all be gone shortly. I have personally lost all those in my family who were veterans. Funny how with all the "boomers" in my family, I was the only one to enter service. Before people say I must of been the only stupid one, let me tell you that I was through two years of college prior to my enlistment and commenced to finish college after, whereas many of my contemporaries rarely finished college in the four years they were not affected by military service. Now, if we can remember those from each war that followed: Korea, Viet Nam, Gulf Wars. EAT ME HENRY! No Problem at all, You Got my attention Love your new Bold one though
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 6, 2011 18:39:24 GMT -5
WWII Veterans are passing at the rate of @1000 a week and in another few more years they will all be gone.. Sadly many are not passing on their war time experiences to their families...
Veterans came home after WWII hung up their uniforms and never tallied about what they did or where they were to anyone.
An example of this was "Flags of Our Fathers" written by a guy whose dad was a Navy Corpsman at Iwo and was one of the flag raisers... He came home severely wounded and kept his time and memorabilia on Iwo all locked in a footlocker that his son opened and read after he passed...then he wrote his famous book
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2011 18:42:50 GMT -5
Old didn't like one of my posts on Israel which is fine but what it has to do with this thread I haven't a clue.
I'll tell you. Most of the time your post are left wing with a strange left wing view on stuff & a lot of naivety on even basic things. An example of that was the Israel post. The clashes between Israel & their neighbors aren't exactly short term & weren't exactly secrete. As I said in my post on that thread everyone saw that coming except you deziloooooo. You seemed both surprised & shocked about something that most people I know would have bet their house on.
Most liberals are more or less anti military (use the money spent on the military for this or that social program). Yet here you are posting a positive about the military & one of it's leaders.
Your a contradiction. A card carrying liberal with at least some conservative views. Most liberals that I've know weren't exactly rooted in reality (think Warsaw). I'm starting to think your a split personality.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 6, 2011 18:44:14 GMT -5
Sorry Dez. You are right. Our ships passed through at the same time. I just read your post wrong and assumed it was posted after mine. Guess this happens time to time in social media. Bold was to get your attention. Guess it did. On the original post thought. I am very much a WWII historian. Being that I am of the generation of post war offspring, I feel it is my responsibility that those guys are never forgotten as we know they will all be gone shortly. I have personally lost all those in my family who were veterans. Funny how with all the "boomers" in my family, I was the only one to enter service. Before people say I must of been the only stupid one, let me tell you that I was through two years of college prior to my enlistment and commenced to finish college after, whereas many of my contemporaries rarely finished college in the four years they were not affected by military service. Now, if we can remember those from each war that followed: Korea, Viet Nam, Gulf Wars. EAT ME HENRY!Son of a gun , me too , college , service, then the finish...only thing was I went and finished my first semster of my third year , then do to stuff, left , went in , over , and after all back..would you believe the next years, semester, deans list, all of us who came back, naturally a bit older. Experiences , so kind of hung together, you could tell who we were. Eyes one of my profs told me, we got to go out for a beer or two, at times on Fridays after class, all of age now. He loved the Vets in his classes, said most profs did , possible like after WW2, GI bill, LOL, who knew it was a snap, I loved schooling second time through, made the parents proud. ,
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Post by domeasingold on Jun 6, 2011 18:45:04 GMT -5
Sorry Henry. I don't know you. Just lashing out.
I have no room in my heart for either the "right" or the "left". I am what I am. As far as I am concerned there has been no one worthy of my respect or my vote.
Sarah Palin: If there is even a hint that she may be elected, I will move to New Zealand!
Just remember guys...If I was half the man I was 35 years ago,....I'd take a flame thrower to this place! (apologies to Al Pacino)
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 6, 2011 19:06:22 GMT -5
... Most liberals are more or less anti military (use the money spent on the military for this or that social program). ... The belief that less money should be allocated for military and more for social programs does not make one "anti-military". It is simply a question of priorities.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 6, 2011 19:24:42 GMT -5
Old didn't like one of my posts on Israel which is fine but what it has to do with this thread I haven't a clue. I'll tell you. Most of the time your post are left wing with a strange left wing view on stuff & a lot of naivety on even basic things. An example of that was the Israel post. The clashes between Israel & their neighbors aren't exactly short term & weren't exactly secrete. As I said in my post on that thread everyone saw that coming except you deziloooooo. You seemed both surprised & shocked about something that most people I know would have bet their house on. Most liberals are more or less anti military (use the money spent on the military for this or that social program). Yet here you are posting a positive about the military & one of it's leaders. Your a contradiction. A card carrying liberal with at least some conservative views. Most liberals that I've know weren't exactly rooted in reality (think Warsaw). I'm starting to think your a split personality. How to answer why even try....I don't think I do post left wing..possible since I am middle to the left and don't recognize how I feel about things as out of the ordinary, the way things are. I try NOT to get emotional in my posts, thus when I see the posts so anti MUSLIM of the whole , some suggesting mothers raise their children, sons to be martyrs, how can any one in their right mind, IMHO, post like that. I explained in detail my feelings on the Golon. I felt, and still have questions , the leadership, Israeli's played into the instigators , the ones who are out of range but egging the kids on, into their hands. j Just what they wanted and possible other things could have been tried. Just a suggestion. I covered myself. A demonstrator, young , old, through he wire approaches the troops, he's down, who knows what he is carrying, but if they are standing swearing , throwing rocks.. What could have been done before lethal fire, non threatened, beyond the verbal..possible fire truck, fire hoses. Ok Possible can't get them up there no water...I mentioned low caliber rifle, in the hands of snipers..before a military round, you and I know what an military round does in shock and awe when it hits flesh, legs, knees, feet thighs...POSSIBLY a .22 round..still shot but and placed correctly,these aren't soldiers, one is shot, no matter the caliber, they are shot, the panic and dispersal will follow, IMHO...just a thought.. By putting suggestions and questions up, one says as a analist no less, a progressive, LOL, a traitor, as all American Jews are who support the other side. Give me a break already. No one really knows the casualties they are coming from the Syrians..if true sounds like a lot, 20 dead over 200 wounded, that's a hell of a lot...to me. Israeli leadership knew what was coming, I question if they cared that much, thought that much. These people plan as well as any military, including our own , as any in the world. Just because I have questions as I posted to another, means I am not a supporter of Israel, nothing further from the truh , though some who don't think that well IMHO, don't understand that. "Most liberals are more or less anti military" I think labels are stupid, not saying your post are..but Most.., all, Libs, cons...on this board...well just read . " split personality. " ;D, How about a personality...sometimes this way, then again that way..mostly , think , 'Don't sweat the little things, it will all work out and if it doesn't ? So be it.
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Post by ed1066 on Jun 6, 2011 19:26:14 GMT -5
Thanks for the invite domeoldboy, but I don't do boys. I don't even do girls any more. Fact is I don't do much of anything any more except remember how things once was. There's a poem that goes with it. My get up and go has got up and went. My vim and my vigor is just about spent. But slumped in my rocker I can still work a grin, When I think of the places my get up has been. And I learned a long time ago that if a post questions, or in any way can be skewed to question old desi, he's gonna take notice and test your mettle. for your restraint in the face of extreme immaturity...
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 6, 2011 19:28:18 GMT -5
Obamas not the first?? What a bummer.
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