Obama administration is saving jobs , , , HAH!!

[henryclay]

South Carolina is a "Right to Work" state. Boeing Aircraft built a facility in Charleston to take advantage of that, while trying to stay ahead of European airplane manufacturers that are subsidized by their governements and cutting into Boeing's market. Then the unions move in and want to undercut the Right to Work laws. It seems not all the Boring employees are enamored by the unions so the unions do what unions usually do in such cases. They want to get rid of anyone who opposes them.

Obama's National Labor Relations Board, (NLRB), has sided with the unions. They are happy with the intent of the unions to shut down the Boeing plant if they don't get their way.

Earlier this week, three South Carolina Boeing employees with the assistance of National Right to Work Foundation staff attorneys took a stand against the tyranny of the Obama administration, the Machinists Union and the National Labor Relations Board (“NLRB”) by filing a motion to stop the NLRB from shutting down Boeing’s North Charleston, South Carolina plant which if successful would save the jobs of those employed at the South Carolina plant.

pumabydesign001.wordpress.com/2011/06/05/boeing-workers-strike-back-against-obama-labor-board/

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Only language Obama speaks is Union and gubmint. Wonder what all those unions workers would say if Obama told them he can't feed all the right to work state people all by himself and they will need to feed them if they want Obama to put them out of work?

[hello fromWarsaw]

Got a real news source- some people would like the truth, not propaganda...

Pubs in charge: no jobs bills- ZERO!- just gloom and doom and paralysis

[henryclay]

From the link.

In 2009, employees of the South Carolina plant voted (199 to 68) to decertify the Machinists union, which therefore brings into question the true motive behind the NLRB siding with the Machinist union against Boeing.

Such a move by the NLRB is an act of retribution deliberately intended to castigate employees of the South Carolina plant for their vote against the Machinist union while sending a message to other right to work states and Americans who would choose to fight for their rights.

It looks to me like the Machinist's Union, having made life unbearable for Boeing in Washington state, wants to now make life unbearable for South Carolina people who just want to work. It looks like the NLRB has no respect for the fact that those South Carolina "who-would-just-like-to-have-a-job-people" have already voted against the union.

Can anyone explain how this move by an Obama support group is creating or saving any jobs?

Does anyone have a link , , of any kind, and from any source, (even a Boeing Machinist Union employee source), , , that tells a different story?

[marshabar1]

US President Barack Obama cannot escape one giant vulnerability as he bids to keep his job: There are millions of voters who still don't have one. Suddenly, the snapshot of the American economy is depressing again. Job creation is down. So is consumer confidence. And homes sales, auto sales, construction spending, manufacturing expansion.

The brutal month of May was a reminder of the economy's fragility and the risks for an incumbent president. Nothing that Obama oversees, not even a success as dramatic as finding and killing Osama bin Laden, will matter as much as his handling of the economy. It is the dominant driver of voter behavior. People hold their president accountable if they can't find work in the richest country in the world.

The weakening recovery is testing the entire foundation of Obama's optimistic economic message, that the nation is getting stronger all the time. As much as the White House says it never dwells on any single jobs report, and Obama never even mentioned the troubling one released Friday, the stakes get higher by the month.

www.kuwaittimes.net/read_news.php?newsid=MTMxMzcyNDQ0OA==

[hello fromWarsaw]

Labor Board Says Boeing’s South Carolina Plant Breaks Law ...
The National Labor Relations Board says in a complaint that the company chose South Carolina for its new ... complaint after a union representing many of Boeing ...
www.nytimes.com/2011/04/21/business/21boeing.html
Ex-Labor Board Chairman: Union-Backed Case Against Boeing ...
... filed the allegation against Boeing with the NLRB in March of last year, said in a statement that the South Carolina decision was aimed at the union. "Boeing ...
www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/26/ex-labor-board...
Boeing gets GOP backing for union bashing
This story is not about Boeing, South Carolina, or even "right to work" states ... The author says knows some of the union kowtowing NLRB members. He says they ...
www.guardian.co.uk/.../2011/jun/01/us-unions-boeing

[vonnie6200]

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[vonnie6200]

townhall.com/columnists/fredwszolek/2011/05/23/nlrb_admits_boeing_complaint_applies_to_every_business__state

[hello fromWarsaw]

NYT:
Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law
By STEVEN GREENHOUSE
Published: April 20, 2011
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CloseLinkedinDiggMySpacePermalink In what may be the strongest signal yet of the new pro-labor orientation of the National Labor Relations Board under President Obama, the agency filed a complaint Wednesday seeking to force Boeing to bring an airplane production line back to its unionized facilities in Washington State instead of moving the work to a nonunion plant in South Carolina.

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In its complaint, the labor board said that Boeing’s decision to transfer a second production line for its new 787 Dreamliner passenger plane to South Carolina was motivated by an unlawful desire to retaliate against union workers for their past strikes in Washington and to discourage future strikes. The agency’s acting general counsel, Lafe Solomon, said it was illegal for companies to take actions in retaliation against workers for exercising the right to strike.

Although manufacturers have long moved plants to nonunion states, the board noted that Boeing officials had, in internal documents and news interviews, specifically cited the strikes and potential future strikes as a reason for their 2009 decision to expand in South Carolina.

Go Dems!! Screw SC!GD ghouls....Boeing should have some loyalty to SEATTLE and its traditions. Why not INDIA? GD Pubs.... ;D

[vonnie6200]

Why not INDIA?

Well that will just fix everything now, won't it.

[marshabar1]

Boeing has always treated its employees like yoyo's. They've built bad will over the years because of high handed behavior toward employees. It's tough for them to prove otherwise to anyone. It's totally believable to anyone who has had any experience with Boeing that they would punish Washington employees this way.

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Anyone have an idea why Obama is doing so many different things to try to destroy this country? Another thread about intentionally raising gas prices... Is this man stupid, or what? The Townhall article was good...

[ed1066]

Seems like Obama is laying the groundwork for an aircraft industry takeover just like he did with the auto and financial industries...

[henryclay]

Warsaw. At least one of your links doesn't work, the one for: www.guardian.co.uk/.../2011/jun/01/us-unions-boeing says: "

Sorry - we haven't been able to serve the page you asked for", , ,

and the others don't tell the whole story. Boeing offered the union everything but the keys to the safe in Washington and the union/s told Boeing to take a hike. Boeing took a hike. They kept hiring in Washington and decided that it's new aircraft designs would be built somewhere else.

[hello fromWarsaw]

Obviously there are laws the anti union people would like to break....

[hello fromWarsaw]

The Times one worked, that's the true one....

[hello fromWarsaw]

If you think I mind that there's a liberal pro union Dem in charge after FORTY THREE YEARS of rightie BS, you are mistaken ;D

[henryclay]

Obviously there are laws the anti union people would like to break....

Obviously it is time some laws were changed.

I saw a Westinghouse employee on strike , , on the old Phil Donahue show , , , say that if Westinghouse didn't meet their demands they intended to break Westinghouse.

Puts it all in perspective for me. . . . . . Maybe it'll get to the Supreme Court.

[marshabar1]

Americans are accustomed to thinking of themselves as the freest people on Earth. Except that according to the Heritage Foundation’s 2011 Index of Economic Freedom, the United States stands at a dismal 9th in international rankings for economic liberty, embarrassingly behind social democracies like New Zealand (4th) and Canada (6th) and well behind Asian powerhouses Hong Kong and Singapore (first and second, respectively).

It is safe to say that these depressing stats would come as no surprise to the higher-ups at Boeing, who had the temerity to act as if they were a private company operating in a free market when they decided to relocate the company’s 787 Dreamliner assembly from Washington state to a new production facility in South Carolina.This new relationship was poised to be mutually beneficial — South Carolina would get about 1,000 new jobs, Boeing a less regulated, less unionized — read: cheaper — business climate in which to operate.

But it was not to be. In April, Barack Obama’s National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) filed a complaint against Boeing to block the move and thwart the South Carolina relocation, charging that Boeing’s decision constitutes an unlawful retaliation against the unionized workers of Washington state.

Boeing contends it simply cannot afford the constant work stoppages of the Washington unions (roughly one every three years over the past decade), and no wonder: In 2008 alone, a strike instigated by the International Association of Machinists (IAM) lasted 39 days and accrued roughly 1,053,000 in lost work days for some 27,000 employees in Washington, Oregon, and Kansas. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), “Some analysts have estimated that the shutdown of jet production during the work stoppage cost Boeing more than $2 billion in profits.” Ouch. One can hardly blame the company for looking toward the warmer climes and more attractive labor market of South Carolina, one of the 22 states with so-called “right-to-work” laws forbidding the compulsory unionization of workers.

pajamasmedia.com/blog/how-free-is-america/

Again, to me it seems like chickens coming home to roost. Boeing was king of the castle and they acted badly. There is no love lost between the parties. They engendered the bad faith that has come back to bite them. It's too bad if it gives the progressives an opportunity to destroy an industry that is already at great risk from a growing aircraft industry in China.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8494202.stm


The Shanghai-based state-owned Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China (COMAC) is manufacturing it. The name is appropriate because Asia’s past forays into the commercial aircraft industry have all been ill-fated, known for being expensive failures. This includes attempts made in China, Indonesia, Japan and Korea.

Will Asia, led by this Chinese initiative, succeed this time? It does seem well within the realm of possibility because contemporary Chinese economic and high-technology manufacturing capabilities are appreciably higher than those of two decades ago.

China has risen exceedingly fast to be a manufacturing global power. It is now a successful exporter of a range of high-technology products. According to the US-based HIS Global Insight, China may supersede the US as the world’s pre-eminent manufacturer in 2011, forcing the US to relinquish the title it held for over a century.

According to the OECD, China’s exports of IT products, which include laptop computers, mobile phones and digital cameras, increased to $180 billion in 2004, outstripping for the first time US exports of $149 billion.

Technological prowess of today’s China made it a global leader in consumer electronics, automobiles, semiconductors, personal computers and shipbuilding. Scientists in China can also remind the world of their manned spacecraft flights in 2003 and 2005. The Three Gorges Dam (2008) is regarded as a construction landmark. These were no mean accomplishments.

Modern commercial aviation industry in China is about a decade old. COMAC was set up in 2008 to build two commercial aircrafts, the ARJ-21 and C919. The commercial aircraft industry has enormous glamour and cachet.


www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/bizfocus/2011/04/343_82991.html

[hello fromWarsaw]

Well, Unions and the Greatest generation made the golden age, and it's been downhill since Nixon, and faster under Raygun and W Booosh...

[hello fromWarsaw]

What the heck is economic liberty, anyway. We are LAST among modern countries in Rich/poor gap and upward mobility after 30 years of Raygunomics, and pubs are fighting health care for people andcollective bargaining. As for the worst, most ideological Supreme Court, it's amazing what lying cheating, polluting, worker-screwing corporations can buy these days, and the sheep just LOVE it.... Helloooooo?!?!!

[hello fromWarsaw]

Oooooo, Red Dawn is on. Good fun, but a bad basis for a political philosophy ;D

[hello fromWarsaw]

Like the Commies would attack High Schools and Farmers.... ;D

[hello fromWarsaw]

Seem to want a banana republic or South Carolina 1920...

[jkapp]

Jun 5, 2011 18:53:40 GMT -5 hello fromWarsaw said:

Well, Unions and the Greatest generation made the golden age, and it's been downhill since Nixon, and faster under Raygun and W Booosh...

Yeah right...they made their OWN golden age and now the generations after them are forced to PAY FOR IT!

Screw these union scumbags...