Obama loses again at the Supreme Court

[henryclay]

It happened a week ago, but Judicial Watch just today released their take on the ramifications.

One important adjunct to the ruling is that it upholds the right of states to enforce federal immigration laws, and further says states can require businesses to use E-verify as a hiring tool.

The Court upheld Arizona's law on holding businesses responsible for lax, (or no), employment screening practices that result in hiring illegal aliens. The Obama abdministration opposed the Arizona law just as it still opposes the Arizona SB1070 law. The outcome on that law is still working it's way toward the Supreme Court.

www.judicialwatch.org/weeklyupdate/2011/22-weekly-update-supreme-court-upholds-rule-law

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One important adjunct to the ruling is that it upholds the right of states to enforce federal immigration laws, and further says states can require businesses to use E-verify as a hiring tool.


Now that's great news! Now if the states could just take over the other stuff that the federal government is screwing up.......we could get rid of all of the federal government (cause it screws up everything).

[SweetVirginia]

I just hope that the SC will uphold SB1070. I doubt it though.

[Virgil Showlion]

Curious state of affairs when a Supreme Court needs to rule that laws may be enforced.

[billisonboard]

Jun 4, 2011 9:44:56 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Curious state of affairs when a Supreme Court needs to rule that laws may be enforced.

Constitutionally restrained government does tend to create some interesting situations.

[marshabar1]

Supreme Court says "NO," to pure thuggery from this administration.. I hope most Americans are that smart.

[henryclay]

But does anyone remember a year ago when SB1070 was fresh on people's minds? Was there a pariah anywhere held more like a fart in church than Arizona? These boards weren't active yet but many of the posters were. I recall some comments that mirrored what was being said by the media.

Rich Lowry reminds us of what some of "that" was like:

After it passed a robust immigration-enforcement measure last year, Arizona was practically expelled from the union.

The great and good denounced the state for its Gestapo tactics. The Obama administration sued it. The professionally outraged announced boycotts. Arizona stood condemned before the world, a byword for hatred and defiance of federal law.

www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2011/06/lets_hear_it_for_arizonas_role.html

[pappyjohn99]

I remember henry. I've been sending monetary support to AZ for their legal fees ever since.

[lakhota]

Agriculture Industry Fears Disaster If Illegal Immigration Enforcement Program E-Verify Is Implemented

WASHINGTON -- The agriculture industry fears a disaster is on the horizon if the one bit of new immigration policy that Congress seems to agree on becomes law.

A plan to require all American businesses to run their employees through E-Verify, a program that confirms each is legally entitled to work in the U.S., could wreak havoc on an industry where 80 percent of the field workers are illegal immigrants. So could the increased paperwork audits already under way by the Obama administration.

"We are headed toward a train wreck," said Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a California Democrat whose district includes agriculture-rich areas. "The stepped up (workplace) enforcement has brought this to a head."

Lofgren said farmers are worried that their work force is about to disappear. They say they want to hire legal workers and U.S. citizens, but that it's nearly impossible, given the relatively low wages and back-breaking work.

Wages can range from minimum wage to more than $20 an hour. But workers often are paid by the piece; the faster they work, they more they make. A steady income lasts only as long as the planting and harvesting seasons, which can be measured in weeks.

"Few citizens express interest, in large part because this is hard, tough work," Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsak said this past week. "Our broken immigration system offers little hope for producers to do the right thing."

Arturo S. Rodriguez, president of United Farm Workers, said migrant farm workers are exposed to blistering heat with little or no shade and few water breaks. It's skilled work, he said, requiring produce pickers to be exact and quick. While the best mushroom pickers can earn about $35,000 to $40,000 a year for piece work, there's little chance for a good living and American workers don't seem interested in farm jobs.

"It is extremely difficult, hard, dangerous work," Rodriguez said.

Last year Rodriguez's group started the "Take Our Jobs" campaign to entice American workers to take the fields. He said of about 86,000 inquiries the group got about the offer, only 11 workers took jobs.

More: www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/04/agriculture-industry-e-verify-illegal-immigration_n_871391.html

[henryclay]

But, Lakota, , , , there IS a provision in our labor laws for temporary farm workers from Mexico. All the illegal alien has to do to perform farm labor in the United States is go back to Mexico and sign up. It strikes me as odd that today's farmers who need farm labor would not make their needs known so that an orderly flow of labor can be arranged.

It used to be like that. I believe it was a man who made a name for himself, Cesar Chaves and his immigrant farm labor coalition, that made it all possible many, many years ago.

[lakhota]

Are you talking about "Guest Worker Program" or something else?

[lakhota]

Guest farm worker program not working, panel told

WASHINGTON — Farmers and farm worker advocates alike voiced disdain Wednesday for a foreign guest-worker program that's largely ignored in California, the nation's leading farm state.

But with Congress stymied, significant reform appears unlikely for the H-2A program that's faced sharp criticism from the moment of its creation in 1986.

More: www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/04/13/112127/guest-farm-worker-program-not.html

[pappyjohn99]

a foreign guest-worker program that's largely ignored in California

Of course it's ignored, CA is swimming in illegals.

[lakhota]

Jun 5, 2011 18:37:30 GMT -5 pappyjohn99 said:

a foreign guest-worker program that's largely ignored in California

Of course it's ignored, CA is swimming in illegals.

So what's your point (with regard to thread subject matter)?

[pappyjohn99]

The point is that if our immigration laws are actually enforced the market will adjust. Prices will raise for a while, people will buy less, farmers will adjust what they plant, and young people capable of doing the heavy work will do it while they are able. It's not like vegetables are some new item on store shelves. I myself earned cash in middle and high school working the fields of Wisconsin. Young people have the highest unemployment rate in the country and many would love to earn $20 an hour during the summer months. They are crowded out by illegals.

[henryclay]

",,,,,, So what's your point (with regard to thread subject matter)? ,,,,"

It reads plain enough to me. In fact a lot more than reference to farmers not being able to get labor if they have to use E-verfy.

But that's just me, I guess.

[Deleted]

This immigration stuff is interesting to watch unfold. Can't wait for AZ SB1070 to get to the SCOTUS, but the longer the better, as they keep tripping all over themselves trying to say what the states can do, have to do, and are not allowed to do about illegal immigration, when it all comes down to enforcing existing federal laws. The more different states do, the better it gets for AZ, and we really would like to help the country by stopping as many as possible right here in AZ. Of course, what the Feds under Obama want to do is get rid of all these laws, but as more and more broke states say NO to illegals it is getting less likely they will be able to do that. GO, STATES!!

My current fav hiccup from the Feds on all this is them telling AZ that we have no right to ask for ID during police contact, while at the same time telling some liberal place in CA that they have no right to refuse to use the Fed system to see if prisoners are illegal. Say WHAT??? AZ CAN'T check, but jails in CA HAVE to check?? HUH???

[Deleted]

In Georgia illegals make $100 a day picking Vidalia onions. LOTS of legal Americans would work for that.

[lakhota]

I would guess that California and other states will continue business as usual.

[lakhota]

Jun 5, 2011 19:00:12 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

In Georgia illegals make $100 a day picking Vidalia onions. LOTS of legal Americans would work for that.

Last year Rodriguez's group started the "Take Our Jobs" campaign to entice American workers to take the fields. He said of about 86,000 inquiries the group got about the offer, only 11 workers took jobs.

[henryclay]

"....... Last year Rodriguez's group started the "Take Our Jobs" campaign to entice American workers to take the fields. He said of about 86,000 inquiries the group got about the offer, only 11 workers took jobs......."

And no one seems to wonder why. No one except the taxpayers who are supporting that other 85,989 leeches at the public trough.

[pappyjohn99]

We also have 2 million people incarcerated in this country suing for air conditioning and big screen TV's. Let's take every person involved in a gang related crime and put them on a labor gang. It would be a great deterrent.

[floridayankee]

Jun 5, 2011 18:03:13 GMT -5 @lakhota said:

Agriculture Industry Fears Disaster If Illegal Immigration Enforcement Program E-Verify Is Implemented

WASHINGTON -- The agriculture industry fears a disaster is on the horizon if the one bit of new immigration policy that Congress seems to agree on becomes law.

I'm not seeing how it would be a disaster if they had to hire legal American citizens and offer a higher wage to attract workers.

[ed1066]

Jun 6, 2011 7:27:02 GMT -5 floridayankee said:

Jun 5, 2011 18:03:13 GMT -5 @lakhota said:

Agriculture Industry Fears Disaster If Illegal Immigration Enforcement Program E-Verify Is Implemented

WASHINGTON -- The agriculture industry fears a disaster is on the horizon if the one bit of new immigration policy that Congress seems to agree on becomes law.

I'm not seeing how it would be a disaster if they had to hire legal American citizens and offer a higher wage to attract workers.

The Democrats will lose a lot of (fraudulent) voters. That's the disaster...

[pepper112765]

"Lofgren said farmers are worried that their work force is about to disappear. They say they want to hire legal workers and U.S. citizens, but that it's nearly impossible, given the relatively low wages and back-breaking work."

That about says it all right there.

[pepper112765]

Jun 6, 2011 7:27:02 GMT -5 floridayankee said:

Jun 5, 2011 18:03:13 GMT -5 @lakhota said:

Agriculture Industry Fears Disaster If Illegal Immigration Enforcement Program E-Verify Is Implemented

WASHINGTON -- The agriculture industry fears a disaster is on the horizon if the one bit of new immigration policy that Congress seems to agree on becomes law.

I'm not seeing how it would be a disaster if they had to hire legal American citizens and offer a higher wage to attract workers.

Because evidently reaping profits is more important and a business can't seem to do that while paying higher wages.

[ed1066]

Jun 5, 2011 19:40:36 GMT -5 pappyjohn99 said:

We also have 2 million people incarcerated in this country suing for air conditioning and big screen TV's. Let's take every person involved in a gang related crime and put them on a labor gang. It would be a great deterrent.

Good idea, but at least in California, that's considered cruel and inhumane (making prisoners work). They had them picking up roadside trash for a while here, but that was deemed an injustice by liberal lawyers, so the city instead pays union workers $40.00 an hour to do it while the prisoners sit in their cells watching TV...

[henryclay]

They had them [convicts] picking up roadside trash for a while here, but that was deemed an injustice by liberal lawyers, so the city instead pays union workers $40.00 an hour to do it while the prisoners sit in their cells watching TV...

Same thing happened in North Carolina several years ago. Wages weren't $40 an hour but otherwise the events are mirrored.

[Deleted]

Everyone realizes this is all bullshit, right? This North American Union thing is the end goal, and that is just a small part of the global manipulation of we the people. They give, they take. They kill us, or they pretend to save us. It goes WAY back, through both major parties, and I'm not sure even the lowliest candidate is clean from it any more, except the local and state guys/gals. And I'm just hoping on that one.