Clear violation of 1st amendment?

[fairlycrazy23]

news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110602/us_ac/8578303_federal_judge_prohibits_prayer_at_south_texas_high_school_graduation_1

Federal Judge Prohibits Prayer at South Texas High School Graduation

This seems like a clear violation of prohibiting the free exercise thereof and also and abridgement of freedom of speech

[Deleted]

R'amen

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

The Supreme Court has already upheld student-led prayer at graduations, so I don't understand where this case is even coming from?

[Deleted]

Seems to me it is okay to deny SOME people freedom of speech. Messed up. Look at this article, also. They can't even say invocation, or benediction....
www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/02/prayer-prohibited-at-graduation-ceremony/?test=latestnews

How uncomfortable this will be as kids and adults have to monitor EVERY SINGLE WORD they say. Ridiculous. This country is going insane...

[chiver78]

the judgment was for no official prayer. it also said that individual speakers could speak what they chose, save for their own prayers. I would liken this to an award acceptance speech, where an athlete or entertainer "thanks God/Allah/Jehovah/Mother Nature and the Moon, for bringing them such talents to be able to earn the love and admiration of the masses and receive this award here tonight. " did I get it all?

I don't see anything wrong with this judgment, as it falls in line with the original SCOTUS decision decades ago.

[henryclay]

More dismantling of America to suit the whims of non-conformists.

From the link:

Ironically, by suggesting that prayers in public schools violate one part of the First Amendment, courts have been making an exception to other parts of the First Amendment, which guarantee free speech and practice of religion. The courts have not been able to resolve this thorny contradiction and have generally chosen to trample on the rights of religious majorities to pray wherever they choose in defense of non religious minorities, in this case one family out of hundreds, not to be present when such practices occur.

It is doubtful that when the Bill of Rights was first written, the Founders actually intended for the First Amendment to stop people from praying. They might have advised the Shultz family that good manners, a quality they valued as much as the free practice of religion, required a respect for the rights of other people, to not be offended by someone calling upon their deity. Certainly they would have raised an eyebrow at the spectacle of a couple running to the courts to demand redress to make sure their teenage son does not hear someone else beseeching the Almighty.

[fairlycrazy23]

Jun 3, 2011 12:23:59 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

the judgment was for no official prayer. it also said that individual speakers could speak what they chose, save for their own prayers. I would liken this to an award acceptance speech, where an athlete or entertainer "thanks God/Allah/Jehovah/Mother Nature and the Moon, for bringing them such talents to be able to earn the love and admiration of the masses and receive this award here tonight. " did I get it all?

I don't see anything wrong with this judgment, as it falls in line with the original SCOTUS decision decades ago.

I haven't read the judgment so I'll have to take your word on it, but if it is ok to thank God and say a prayer or end on Amen (but not force others to participate) than it might be an ok decision.

[ed1066]

Not surprised. Speech control has been the hallmark of this administration...

[chiver78]

Jun 3, 2011 12:31:10 GMT -5 fairlycrazy23 said:

Jun 3, 2011 12:23:59 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

the judgment was for no official prayer. it also said that individual speakers could speak what they chose, save for their own prayers. I would liken this to an award acceptance speech, where an athlete or entertainer "thanks God/Allah/Jehovah/Mother Nature and the Moon, for bringing them such talents to be able to earn the love and admiration of the masses and receive this award here tonight. " did I get it all?

I don't see anything wrong with this judgment, as it falls in line with the original SCOTUS decision decades ago.

I haven't read the judgment so I'll have to take your word on it, but if it is ok to thank God and say a prayer or end on Amen (but not force others to participate) than it might be an ok decision.

you didn't read your own link?

from your link:

However, Judge Biery did allow student speakers at the ceremony to make reference their religious faith or to a higher being, so long as there is no praying involved. They will also be allowed to wear symbols of religious faith, such as a cross, a yarmulke, or a hijab.

I can't find the text of the official ruling online anywhere, but I think the quote I pasted here is quite sufficient. the same content is found in other articles, albeit not verbatim.

[chiver78]

Jun 3, 2011 12:33:41 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

Not surprised. Speech control has been the hallmark of this administration...

I didn't realize that the Obama administration was in place back in the 60s when the original decision was made.

[EVT1]

Jun 3, 2011 12:21:16 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

The Supreme Court has already upheld student-led prayer at graduations, so I don't understand where this case is even coming from?

You need to read the cases if you want to understand- nothing is as simple as you make it out to be.

[Deleted]

Federal Judge Prohibits Prayer at South Texas High School Graduation

Seems kind of odd that they stop them from praying at the Graduation Ceremony & yet I'm sure most of them were praying to graduate.

[Bluerobin]

Screw it. Just cancel graduation and pass out diplomas in home room. Think of all the money that would save.

[jkapp]

>>However, Judge Biery did allow student speakers at the ceremony to make reference their religious faith or to a higher being, so long as there is no praying involved. They will also be allowed to wear symbols of religious faith, such as a cross, a yarmulke, or a hijab.<<

And there's your first amendment violation right there...you can't prevent someone from praying and still consider it following along the lines of the first amendment.

But that does follow along the lines of liberal hypocrisy: You can say whatever you want unless it offends someone.

[thyme4change]

Graduation is boring enough, do we have to sit through your dumb prayers, too?

[thyme4change]

It is much quicker to ignore a dumb post - you can just scroll right past. But, I have to sit through the prayer. Some of them go on and on.

[chiver78]

Jun 3, 2011 13:40:48 GMT -5 jkapp said:

>>However, Judge Biery did allow student speakers at the ceremony to make reference their religious faith or to a higher being, so long as there is no praying involved. They will also be allowed to wear symbols of religious faith, such as a cross, a yarmulke, or a hijab.<<

And there's your first amendment violation right there...you can't prevent someone from praying and still consider it following along the lines of the first amendment.

But that does follow along the lines of liberal hypocrisy: You can say whatever you want unless it offends someone.

nevermind that a SCOTUS that wasn't 100% liberal almost unanimously decided to declare prayer in public schools unconstitutional. it's only a liberal hypocrisy.

[❤ mollymouser ❤]

Jun 3, 2011 13:07:46 GMT -5 @oldtex said:

Federal Judge Prohibits Prayer at South Texas High School Graduation

Seems kind of odd that they stop them from praying at the Graduation Ceremony & yet I'm sure most of them were praying to graduate.

;D

[❤ mollymouser ❤]

My public high school offered, as an optional supplement to graduation, a baccaulaureate service held at a local non-denominational church. Those students/families who wished to attend (and organize/participate in) the event, did so. Most did not. I understand that over the years, this has evolved from being a christian service to being more inter-faith ... but it is decidedly religious in nature.

[thyme4change]

Molly - that sounds really nice.

[❤ mollymouser ❤]

I think it accommodates people nicely

[chiver78]

Jun 3, 2011 14:46:47 GMT -5 ❤ mollymouser ❤ said:

I think it accommodates people nicely

absolutely!

[floridayankee]

Speaking of graduations...I have to go to one tonight....at a church....for a pre-schooler.

Seriously...graduation....from pre-school. It should be a day of mourning.....the end gleeful ignorance and a carefree lifestyle.

[Deleted]

Why don't we just do away with education?? Some kid could think a free thought or something..

[txbo]

Jun 3, 2011 13:07:46 GMT -5 @oldtex said:

Federal Judge Prohibits Prayer at South Texas High School Graduation

Seems kind of odd that they stop them from praying at the Graduation Ceremony & yet I'm sure most of them were praying to graduate.

Good one

[cereb]

"More dismantling of America to suit the whims of non-conformists."


Well now that just says it all right there now doesn't it. ;D

[EVT1]

If anyone cares it got reversed by the appeals court so pray away- now can we get to the real issues?

[deziloooooo]

Jun 3, 2011 12:33:41 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

Not surprised. Speech control has been the hallmark of this administration...

not true but in regard to prayer, it was a SCOTUS decision, a long time ago, a different administration.

[deziloooooo]

Jun 3, 2011 12:35:39 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

Jun 3, 2011 12:33:41 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

Not surprised. Speech control has been the hallmark of this administration...

I didn't realize that the Obama administration was in place back in the 60s when the original decision was made.

For some, that little thing really isn't of importance...just more of the , "Obama sucks because...yadda, blah..."

[handyman2]

A federal court reversed the judges order. A agnostic family had filed suit.