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Post by midjd on Jun 3, 2011 11:16:10 GMT -5
Speaking as someone without kids, but with some very energetic nephews, there is no amount of financial aid that would make up for the hassle of having kids. Anyone procreating solely to receive government or school assistance, and without any real desire to raise kids, would be pretty short-sighted... not saying it doesn't happen, but I wouldn't consider anyone "lucky" to be receiving that aid.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2011 11:18:02 GMT -5
Speaking as someone with kids, I agree with midwestern.
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Post by Urban Chicago on Jun 3, 2011 11:22:16 GMT -5
I get that, I'm just saying that the deal isn't quite as sweet as most people think. You have to be pretty poor to get state aid, people that poor probably would have high aid eligibility even without a kid.
Unfortunately, not all Financial Aid people follow the rules as closely as I do.
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Post by patchwork150 on Jun 3, 2011 11:23:18 GMT -5
I know a guy about the same age. Last I knew, He had 13 kids with 12 different women. He also can't afford child suuport. He needs a vasectomy too!
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jun 3, 2011 11:27:46 GMT -5
i have a friend currently pregnant with an iud still in place. An iud has really high success rates, and i am pretty certain my doctor said he has seen more tubals fail than iuds over the course of his career. IUDs have a 0.0001% chance of failing, IF placed properly. If not placed properly the chances are much higher. I happen to have one myself. Not only is part of protecting yourself haveing your own method of birth control but enforcing the "no glove, no love" rule. Who cares how much he whines, he wants access, he needs to use protection. You don't want to be baby momma number 12, you protect yourself. I'm wondering what STDs he's picked up and spread.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 3, 2011 11:31:01 GMT -5
I'm wondering what STDs he's picked up and spread.
Who knows, but I am sure he reassured the ladies that he was "clean" and it's totally his fault that they believed him.
Then all 11 women experienced failure in their chosen method of birth control. some apparently more than one time.
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Post by Frugal Nurse on Jun 3, 2011 11:32:38 GMT -5
Who is to blame? The man whore who wouldn't wrap it up and the easy women he laid with! Unfortunately, the ones to suffer in all of this are the kids, who are stuck with an absent father, stupid mothers, and a childhood of poverty.
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Post by Angel! on Jun 3, 2011 13:39:41 GMT -5
I blame him. He knew he had all these kids. I doubt he shared his finances and how many kids with the other mothers. So now we have kids that need to be supported by a second half, who should this responsible party be. Women should not be the ones always left holding the bag of responsibility while these idiot men get to move on without any responsibility. Even if he didn't share details of his finances (considering a lot of those kids were the 2nd or 3rd with the same mother), they would know he works a minimum wage & could expect pretty much squat in CS. But, they probably didn't care because TANF, CHIP, foodstamps, WIC, Medicaid, section 8, & EITC will pick up the tab. The women are pretty much completely to blame. Regardless of the circumstances it is always possible a guy will run off leaving you holding the bag & women should be financially able to care for the kids themselves.
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Post by Angel! on Jun 3, 2011 13:44:57 GMT -5
Drama, i have a friend currently pregnant with an iud still in place. An iud has really high success rates, and i am pretty certain my doctor said he has seen more tubals fail than iuds over the course of his career. Are you implying 21 kids happened due to failure of birth control? Sorry, absolutely no way. I'll give you a few might have been failure of BC, several were probably BC used improperly, several more were probably lack of BC without the intent of getting pregnant, but I bet 25-50% were lack of BC with the intent of getting pregnant on the women's part - on the guy's part too, because if you don't learn to use a condom or get snipped after 5 or so unplanned kids, then you have to have learned any sex could lead to another kid - he clearly wasn't taking precautions & didn't care if he had more children.
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Post by bring in the new year on Jun 3, 2011 22:25:11 GMT -5
Both the man and the women are at fault here. No birth control method fails that often except no birth control.
Now, why can't someone in TN offer him 10 grand and all medical expenses paid to get a vasectomy?
I know no one likes to see their tax dollars go to a useless human being, but it would be cheaper in the end and better for the children.
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Post by midjd on Jun 3, 2011 22:28:24 GMT -5
I read some article YEARS ago in a women's magazine (LHJ or one of those) about some woman in Texas who was going around offering women $250 (plus medical expenses) to get their tubes tied. She said nearly everyone she approached agreed. I wonder about that, but it is interesting...
(It sounds awful, but I know a few people I'd pay $250 to guarantee they wouldn't breed!)
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Post by april47 on Jun 4, 2011 4:30:32 GMT -5
"The women are pretty much completely to blame. Regardless of the circumstances it is always possible a guy will run off leaving you holding the bag & women should be financially able to care for the kids themselves."
There is no way the women are "completely" to blame. The guy is completely to blame at being irresponsible. The women are completely to blame at being a fool for falling for the dirt bag. They all probably grew up around the same kind of situations and think nothing about burdening society with their lifestyle. Now they are all completely to blame for bringing into the world another 21 kids who are going to grow up just like them.
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Post by constanz22 on Jun 4, 2011 7:15:18 GMT -5
I read some article YEARS ago in a women's magazine (LHJ or one of those) about some woman in Texas who was going around offering women $250 (plus medical expenses) to get their tubes tied. She said nearly everyone she approached agreed. I wonder about that, but it is interesting... (It sounds awful, but I know a few people I'd pay $250 to guarantee they wouldn't breed!) I'm a social worker and my coworkers and I have been talking about doing something like this for YEARS. Unfortunately, liberal NY state would NEVER consider such a thing. It seems like a great solution! I have worked with the men and women like the ones being talked about in this case. If you haven't been around this clientle, you have NO idea...Sad, very sad. Yeah, none of these women will be taking care of these kids, financially or emotionally, WE will be. I have personally worked with some young moms, 23-25 years old that already have 4 children. Medicaid will not even approve tubal ligation for somone under 25 unless they've already had 5 children. Seriously...These women, which presumably they could have upwards of 8 more children, will never be self supporting, and the majority of their children will repeat the cycle. I've worked in my current job for almost 12 years and am already seeing kids that I worked with coming back as parents needing our services. God forbid the government do anything to prevent it. It's not PC, morally correct, etc. to dictate who should and shouldn't have children and under what circumstances, just keep doling out the Public Assistance, food stamps, etc. etc. etc.
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Post by Ava on Jun 4, 2011 10:50:31 GMT -5
It is a lifestyle for some people, I am sorry to say. I have a very dear friend who was able to break the cycle for himself. But all his family receives assistance (Medicaid, food stamps, section 8, etc.) and that's the way they live. It goes from his grandmother, his aunts, his brother and sister, and his younger cousins. None of them see anything wrong with this picture.
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Post by Nazgul Girl on Jun 4, 2011 16:29:00 GMT -5
With a promiscuous dude like that, the mommas are lucky if a baby is all they get from him !
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