Who is to blame in this case?

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The child support thread got me thinking of this case that made it to the news 2 years ago.

The guy is 29, has 21 kids with 11 different baby mothers, works a minimum wage.

The guy is a jerk, dumb ass, dead beat, you name it. But what woman I would like to know let herself get pregnant by this guy after knowing he has 3-4-5, 15-16, 17 kids running around and worse, you are trying to get child support.

I wonder what he is up too 2 years later? Anyone thins he is pass number 25?

www.liveleak.com/view?i=e59_1243193206

[BeenThere...DoneThat...]

...who knows? I suspect he doesn't mention his kids while dating, though...

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story :

With a minimum wage job, he can't afford to support them all.

What is the state to do?

Desmond Hatchett, 29, told WVLT he wasn't out to set a record, though he certainly holds it in Knox County Juvenile Child Support Court.

Hatchett's children range in age fr More..om newborn to 11.

There are at least 11 mothers; probably several more.

Constitutionally, there is nothing the state can do to limit him from having more.

"I had four kids in the same year. Twice." Desmond Hatchett told Volunteer TV.

On Friday, his name appeared on the docket 11 times; Representing about 15 of his 21 children.

"Can you keep up with it all?" WVLT asked Hatchett.
"Yeah," he said.
"You know all their names, and ages and birthdays?"
"Yeah."

Hatchett's name is pretty controversial at the old courthouse.

"The children can't be supported all by Desmond, so the state of Tennessee has had to step in," Hatchett's attorney Keith Pope said.

It's your tax dollars at work.

WVLT spoke with one mom who has two children with Hatchett.
She is supposed to get $67.50 a month. But many times, she gets a lot less than what she's owed.
They all do.

"It'll make it through half the month," the unidentified mom said.

She told Volunteer TV, Hatchett is the father of her two sons. And she says her 4-year-old is expensive enough on his own. "He's a heavy milk drinker. And milk is not cheap," she said.

"It's frustrating, but usually, when I ask he give it to me," she continued.

It's due process-- the state is only allowed to take 50% of Hatchett's paycheck.
That's 50% split multiple times.

"You look at when they filed, how many children they have-- he has several mothers that he has two children with. And, it's tough" Pope explained.

Still, Hatchett says the women knew what they were getting into.
They were all aware of his large family.

One said, she doesn't like it but she deals with it. "It's about the kids. Not the parents," she said.

Hatchett agrees he should do what's best for the kids.

"Do you intend to keep having children?" WVLT asked.
"No." Hatchett replied.
"You're done?"
"I'm done. I'll say I'm done."
"What made you say that?"
"I didn't intend to have this many. It just happened," Hatchett said.

Desmond Hatchett spent part of Friday afternoon jailed while a child support referee decided how to split up the $400 he brought to court.

If he doesn't pay what he owes, he will go back to jail because he is on an automatic jail order.

The mothers of Hatchett's children are supposed to get anywhere from $25 to $309 a month, but when his paycheck is garnished amongst them all, some women only get a $1.98 a month.

[reader79]

Dude - where's the vasectomy?

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Jun 2, 2011 20:57:11 GMT -5 reader79 said:

Dude - where's the vasectomy?

Or a condom. I like the part about "I didn't intend to have this many, it just hapened"

really? After number 1-2-3-4-5 you did not think about putting a rubber on it?

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Jun 2, 2011 20:54:56 GMT -5 BeenThere...DoneThat... said:

...who knows? I suspect he doesn't mention his kids while dating, though...

And to the woman he has more than 1 kid with? The first one was not enough they went back for seconds?

I mean if I were the judge I would seriously look at the woman with baby number 21 and ask " WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING?"

[midjd]

Hey there was an SVU about that, featuring John Stamos... #drool#

But yes, in general, if you have kids with someone knowing they have a substantial number of kids already, don't complain when the support checks are tiny (or nonexistent).

My ex-stepmother seems a little upset that she is not getting as much CS for her 2 as my mom is getting for her 2 (bro and sis are supported through college). Well, when you marry a teacher who already has 3 kids, maybe - before having 2 more - you should really evaluate your earning potential... because CS on a teacher's salary that is already reduced by 1/3 or so is not going to support much.

[❤ mollymouser ❤]

At some point, someone should PAY him to get a vasectomy ... but the money would go to his offspring, so there's not much incentive there.

[BeenThere...DoneThat...]

Jun 2, 2011 21:01:12 GMT -5 TheHaitian said:

Jun 2, 2011 20:54:56 GMT -5 BeenThere...DoneThat... said:

...who knows? I suspect he doesn't mention his kids while dating, though...

And to the woman he has more than 1 kid with? The first one was not enough they went back for seconds?

I mean if I were the judge I would seriously look at the woman with baby number 21 and ask " WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING?"

...understood... for the girlfriend who had a second child with him (eg, she didn't have twins) then one must shake their head at her, too...

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Yikes. Did anybody watch the video? He's not an Adonis or anything. I don't see the appeal.

But yes, I blame this idiot for being an idiot. I blame those 11 women for having unprotected sex with an idiot. I blame the idiot's parents for raising an idiot. I blame the baby mamma's mamma's (and dad's) for raising daughters who would sleep with this idiot. I blame the idiot's wing men for helping meet more women and not giving him condoms - because you probably can't afford condoms on whatever is left of a minimum wage salary after supporting 20 kids. I feel like there is a lot of blame to go around.

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My friend had two children by a jerk who didn't pay child support - the second child was after they had broken up She said she didn't want to be trashy by having kids by different fathers . . .
Then he dated a new girl, who knew about the other two kids, and knocked her up. Now he's onto a third woman, who knows about the previous three children. This guy had three kids before he was 25. It's amazing how stupid people can be. The really awesome part? All three children are boys who are named after the father.

[Mardi Gras Audrey]

Who's to blame?

Clearly the Trojan Man... he hasn't been doing his job...

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Now in a world full of ironies, for him to marry all these women would be illegal. That you could have done something about. But just getting them pregnant is completely fine.

[alabamagal]

ok, the guy is truly a jerk!

Maybe I am harsh, but I also blame the women, and out society who basically enables and support single women who have babies out of wedlock. As I fill out all the financial aid forms for my daughter in college, it becomes apparent pretty quickly that if she just had a kid out of wedlock in high school, she would qualify for all kinds of governemnt assistance independent of her parents income. She could go to school for free, free housing, food stamps, WIC, etc. Unfortunately she chose to do the right thing (no kids!) so we are paying for it.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I like the part about "I didn't intend to have this many, it just hapened"

Oh he knows, he just decided to take his chances. Probably one of those dudes that claims condoms don't feel good therefore I am not going to use them.

Shame on the women for not using a back-up method or being too stupid to use the back-up method properly.

[gs11rmb]

" I didn't "apply" for benefits at all. I figured that going to school was my choice, I wasn't even aware of any special aid for single mothers..... "

My husband's niece was faced with this when thinking about going to cosmetology school. The financial aid person actually suggested (in front of her father) that if she and her boyfriend had a child then she could attend for free!

[thyme4change]

A friend of mine is a social worker and she was telling me about a case where she was severing parental rights from the mom. The dad had never been in the picture, but they went to gather all the information, so the child's file would be complete. So, she went down to the jail to do the paperwork. One of the questions was siblings, so he was naming them off. He couldn't remember names, last names, birthdates, the mother's names, etc. Although, he did have 2 children born within 3 months of each other and they were both named "Angel." He was terrified that my friend was going to tell all the mothers about each other.

These are the people that are repopulating. This is why I believe our social security system is doomed.

[swamp]

Jun 3, 2011 10:14:34 GMT -5 gs11rmb said:

" I didn't "apply" for benefits at all. I figured that going to school was my choice, I wasn't even aware of any special aid for single mothers..... "

My husband's niece was faced with this when thinking about going to cosmetology school. The financial aid person actually suggested (in front of her father) that if she and her boyfriend had a child then she could attend for free!

I never quite got that. Kids are expensive and time consuming, or at least mine are, adn I'm pretty sure financial aid doesn't cover the whole cost.

[stl76]

Something is very wrong with him but also these women must be idiots.

[doxieluvr]

I blame him. He knew he had all these kids. I doubt he shared his finances and how many kids with the other mothers.

So now we have kids that need to be supported by a second half, who should this responsible party be. Women should not be the ones always left holding the bag of responsibility while these idiot men get to move on without any responsibility.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Women should not be the ones always left holding the bag of responsibility while these idiot men get to move on without any responsibility.

Women should take responsibility for their own birth control rather than trusting that the dude will be responsible.

Then they aren't left holding the bag at all.

He should be responsible too, but personally I feel the only person who is going to look out for my best interests is ME, so I don't care if he shows up with an entire box of condoms, I am still using a back-up method that I am in control of.

[Mardi Gras Audrey]

Jun 3, 2011 10:35:40 GMT -5 doxieluvr said:

I blame him. He knew he had all these kids. I doubt he shared his finances and how many kids with the other mothers.

So now we have kids that need to be supported by a second half, who should this responsible party be. Women should not be the ones always left holding the bag of responsibility while these idiot men get to move on without any responsibility.

I agree with Drama. If it comes down to either the women support these kids or the taxpayers of Tennessee do, then I think the women should be the payers. They chose to procreate with this lovely slice of heaven and presumably got the pleasure of doing the deed with him; the taxpayers didn't pick him, and didn't get any pleasure from him. The order of support should definitely be both parents first followed by one parent and the state last (if neither parent is around). The system is totally messed up and encourages people to be irresponsible because it doesn't make them absorb the impact of their poor decisions, it shifts that burden to the taxpayers...

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Jun 3, 2011 10:37:55 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Women should not be the ones always left holding the bag of responsibility while these idiot men get to move on without any responsibility.

This is one of those cases where you can deal with what should be or what actually is. Biology dictates that a woman has no option but to hold the bag for at least 9 months. Saying it should be different won't change that.

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There was a guy that kept trying to get me to go out with him. He had 7 kids, 4 or 5 baby momma's. I wanted no part of any of that.

I wouldn't want a man with 21 kids to even touch me. There's no way I'd want to risk having number 22.

[doxieluvr]

Drama, i have a friend currently pregnant with an iud still in place. An iud has really high success rates, and i am pretty certain my doctor said he has seen more tubals fail than iuds over the course of his career.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

i have a friend currently pregnant with an iud still in place. An iud has really high success rates, and i am pretty certain my doctor said he has seen more tubals fail than iuds over the course of his career.

IUDs have a 0.0001% chance of failing, IF placed properly. If not placed properly the chances are much higher. I happen to have one myself.

Not only is part of protecting yourself haveing your own method of birth control but enforcing the "no glove, no love" rule. Who cares how much he whines, he wants access, he needs to use protection.

You don't want to be baby momma number 12, you protect yourself.

[Urban Chicago]

I fill out all the financial aid forms for my daughter in college, it becomes apparent pretty quickly that if she just had a kid out of wedlock in high school, she would qualify for all kinds of governemnt assistance independent of her parents income. She could go to school for free, free housing, food stamps, WIC, etc.

Fortunately, this is not precisely true, for the following reasons:

1. It's not a child, it's a dependent. Usually, teens who have children in high school are not actually supporting them, the grandparents are. I can and have denied independent status based on this.

2. Even if you do have a dependent, you may not have a low EFC.

3. Even if you do have an EFC of 0, all this entitles you to is government financial aid. Often this is not enough to pay tuition and all expenses. Unless the school gives extra scholarship money for this situation (ours does not), you don't get a free ride.

I can't speak to the non-FAFSA related aid, but grants for college are not that unregulated.

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"You don't want to be baby momma number 12, you protect yourself."

And preferably, if you're biologically capable of making babies, don't have sex with somebody you KNOW would be an unsuitable parent.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

If there are 21 kids and only 11 moms then some of them had more than one kid by him. You'd think after baby number one you'd figure out they don't arrive via stork or cabbage patch and protect yourself.

Baby number one I can maybe chalk that up to a mistake or lapse in judgement. If you are having baby number two or three with this guy.. .well now you are just plain stupid and irresponsible.

[Mardi Gras Audrey]

Urban, the problem is that when you marry up the govt financial aid with the state aid for single parents (food stamps, WIC, Medicaid, etc), the students with kids end up getting a much better deal than those without. My ex-BF's sister had this when she was in college. She had a kid at 16, had Pell Grants, state grants, paid daycare, food stamps, Medicaid, a book stipend, mileage paid to drive to/from school, and they waived her tuition to the college (state school) because she was "independent" with the kid. The craziest part is that she lived with my ex and his parents at the time so the parents were paying for a good amount of the rent/utilities (I know she contributed food and some cash but not what her share should have been proportionally).