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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 2, 2011 7:40:03 GMT -5
Our local papers, here in Ca., keep showing bleeding heart pictures of inmates living in crowded conditions and it's making me sick. Not because they are living like this, but rather because while they sit in climate controlled rooms, having access to adequate food, a variety of drinks, medical care, toys and overnight visits from loved ones, our troops are living in the most horrid conditions, away from their families. I vote we send the inmates over to cover the front lines. Yea I know lonewold living in a crowded prison is not much fun but whoever said life was fair in California for those who break our laws out here..?? Not too worry Jerry Brown is about to release a few thousand inmates to ease this problem and save megabucks and then watch the crime rate go to the stratosphere
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 2, 2011 7:40:59 GMT -5
Heh. I hear you, lonewolf. Problem is, these people are undisciplined to the nth degree. They're certainly not what we need defending our country. They'd spend most of their time shooting whatever was closest to them, and that would probably be one of our people!
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Post by Bluerobin on Jun 2, 2011 7:45:13 GMT -5
I vote we bring the troops home. No reason to have them overseas anyway!
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 2, 2011 7:50:38 GMT -5
I vote we bring the troops home. No reason to have them overseas anyway! You sound like Ron Paul...not sure about bringing all of our troops home but hopefully with a new Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and new Secretary of Defense we could see some reductions of our troop forces in Iraq and Afghanistan
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 2, 2011 7:51:22 GMT -5
Heh. I hear you, lonewolf. Problem is, these people are undisciplined to the nth degree. They're certainly not what we need defending our country. They'd spend most of their time shooting whatever was closest to them, and that would probably be one of our people! The problem would be solved if they'd just shoot each other. Yep, but we can't count on a bunch of undisciplined louts to confine their shooting to include only those who are enemies.
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Post by Bluerobin on Jun 2, 2011 9:39:04 GMT -5
You sound like Ron Paul...not sure about bringing all of our troops home
I take that as a compliment. Doing so would do wonders for our deficit too!
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 2, 2011 9:49:56 GMT -5
You sound like Ron Paul...not sure about bringing all of our troops home I take that as a compliment. Doing so would do wonders for our deficit too! I do not see how simply "bringing all of our troops home" would result in deficit reduction, especially if they were just redeployed along the southern border. Although it would be nice if they were spending their salaries stateside instead of overseas, the cost wouldn't be significantly different. What we need to do is reduce the size of our military to realize any cost savings.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2011 9:50:28 GMT -5
How about we bring the troops home and put them on OUR borders? In time that will do much to clear the prison problems, jobless problems, welfare problems, and put a stop to these daily stories about illegals being arrested for murder, drug trafficking, human smuggling, rape, etc.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 2, 2011 9:53:39 GMT -5
How about we bring the troops home and put them on OUR borders? In time that will do much to clear the prison problems, jobless problems, welfare problems, and put a stop to these daily stories about illegals being arrested for murder, drug trafficking, human smuggling, rape, etc. I am always nervous about using DOD forces for domestic law enforcement. How about reducing the size of our military and increasing the size of our Border Control forces?
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 2, 2011 9:56:50 GMT -5
You sound like Ron Paul...not sure about bringing all of our troops home I take that as a compliment. Doing so would do wonders for our deficit too! I do not see how simply "bringing all of our troops home" would result in deficit reduction, especially if they were just redeployed along the southern border. Although it would be nice if they were spending their salaries stateside instead of overseas, the cost wouldn't be significantly different. What we need to do is reduce the size of our military to realize any cost savings. Well it will reduce the Department of Defense budget if we bring our troops home and close the bases they were stationed at, Japan, Korea, Bulgaria, Kuwait, Kosovo, Italy and the list goes on. Shutting down and shuttering these bases would save Americans a great deal of money in not needing to pay for maintenance, heating and/or cooling, etc. Bringing our troops home is a first step, bring them home and closing unnecessary bases world wide would be the best first step in dealing with the DoD's budget.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 2, 2011 10:00:52 GMT -5
Just what we need - a bunch of undisciplined a-holes with problems following directions representing us around the world.
Do you have so little repect for our troops that you think just any ol' uneducated, drugged up criminal can do the same job?
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jun 2, 2011 11:32:20 GMT -5
Our local papers, here in Ca., keep showing bleeding heart pictures of inmates living in crowded conditions and it's making me sick. Not because they are living like this, but rather because while they sit in climate controlled rooms, having access to adequate food, a variety of drinks, medical care, toys and overnight visits from loved ones, our troops are living in the most horrid conditions, away from their families. I vote we send the inmates over to cover the front lines. ...chain gangs, at our borders... that's my vote...
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on Jun 2, 2011 12:52:16 GMT -5
While I'm all for bringing the troops home and reducing overcrowded conditions in California prisons, I do not want the U.S. Military suddenly filled with a bunch of criminals who would be otherwise ineligible to serve in the armed forces ... and I sure as heck don't want them on or near the front lines where my wonderful DH is serving.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jun 2, 2011 13:01:51 GMT -5
While I'm all for bringing the troops home and reducing overcrowded conditions in California prisons, I do not want the U.S. Military suddenly filled with a bunch of criminals who would be otherwise ineligible to serve in the armed forces ... and I sure as heck don't want them on or near the front lines where my wonderful DH is serving.
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Post by rovo on Jun 2, 2011 13:16:28 GMT -5
Don't want them on the front lines? Why not? Seems like they would be good candidates for checking fields for mines or roadsides for IEDs. ;D
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jun 2, 2011 13:19:05 GMT -5
Don't want them on the front lines? Why not? Seems like they would be good candidates for checking fields for mines or roadsides for IEDs. ;D ...the old fashioned way? ...because seriously, dude, the current way requires way too much skill to leave to the untrained...
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 2, 2011 13:21:14 GMT -5
Yes, I'm sure criminals would be the best group of people to make sure no one does anything illegal on the border - like carry drugs across, or perhaps, coyote activity. There is a 100% chance that no one would have any ties to any gang activity that might be going on near the border (either side.)
What is wrong with you people? Do you think this stuff is easy and takes no principles?
I think we should take all the criminals and make them be daycare workers. That seems easy enough.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jun 2, 2011 13:34:01 GMT -5
Yes, I'm sure criminals would be the best group of people to make sure no one does anything illegal on the border - like carry drugs across, or perhaps, coyote activity. There is a 100% chance that no one would have any ties to any gang activity that might be going on near the border (either side.) What is wrong with you people? Do you think this stuff is easy and takes no principles? I think we should take all the criminals and make them be daycare workers. That seems easy enough.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jun 2, 2011 13:36:26 GMT -5
...wow... my chain gangs at the border can't be the worst idea you've seen... ...chain gangs... means prison guards... and bloodhounds... and shotguns... and activity and attention... ...no way would I deputize prisoners unless we share a common enemy and they were the lesser of two evils...
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jun 2, 2011 13:38:31 GMT -5
...I actually think it could be a decent idea to place our prisons along our borders... and a residual benefit could be creating a perimeter, of sorts... but I'm no city planner, so who knows how many considerations I'd miss...
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 2, 2011 14:09:04 GMT -5
I do not see how simply "bringing all of our troops home" would result in deficit reduction, especially if they were just redeployed along the southern border. Although it would be nice if they were spending their salaries stateside instead of overseas, the cost wouldn't be significantly different. What we need to do is reduce the size of our military to realize any cost savings. Well it will reduce the Department of Defense budget if we bring our troops home and close the bases they were stationed at, Japan, Korea, Bulgaria, Kuwait, Kosovo, Italy and the list goes on. Shutting down and shuttering these bases would save Americans a great deal of money in not needing to pay for maintenance, heating and/or cooling, etc. Bringing our troops home is a first step, bring them home and closing unnecessary bases world wide would be the best first step in dealing with the DoD's budget. Let me give this one more go. If you move a soldier from a base overseas to the United States you are still going to have to pay that soldier. Yes, you will no longer have to have bunk for him/her at some overseas base but you will have to have one in the United States. Relocating the current military within US borders will not reduce the DOD budget. Reducing the size of our military will.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2011 14:13:33 GMT -5
Military is under contract to the USA. You suggest the USA violate that contract? Not me. I suggest we put them to use on the borders. We are going to pay them any way. Like cme, think it was, said-- closing bases overseas WOULD save tons of money. Besides that, the security of the USA is at stake here, more so than in many countries we keep thousands of soldiers in for no real purpose.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2011 14:16:11 GMT -5
I wouldn't trust prisoners on the border, truth be told. Why put people that hate the USA out to fight people that hate the USA?? I'm all for putting them to work, though. Start with the things we had to cut from budgets as non-essentials, like roadside trash pick-up, graffiti clean-up, etc...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2011 14:18:16 GMT -5
It would help...just not that much
All the money they spend in the foreign country now, would be spent here
That would help certain regions where they would be stationed
Also...travel to and from would be reduced. Moving expenses alone are substantial for our troops stationed overseas
I would estimate we would save 6-7% a year versus what we spend now....but again, just my opinion and estimate
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jun 2, 2011 14:18:32 GMT -5
<<< Start with the things we had to cut from budgets as non-essentials, like roadside trash pick-up, graffiti clean-up, etc... >>> ...or ditch-digging... while chained... along the border...
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Post by jarhead1976 on Jun 2, 2011 14:20:34 GMT -5
Don't want them on the front lines? Why not? Seems like they would be good candidates for checking fields for mines or roadsides for IEDs. ;D Could not have said it better . What a waste of resources keeping rapist, child molester's and murders alive.While good men and women protect there rights to 3 squares and a bed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2011 14:34:54 GMT -5
LOL, Been There-- you see them as chain gangs working.. good idea... but I see them as chain gangs raided by bad guys that gun down the watchers and free the illegals.. ;D
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 2, 2011 14:34:59 GMT -5
Don't want them on the front lines? Why not? Seems like they would be good candidates for checking fields for mines or roadsides for IEDs. ;D There's a touch of eevul in yer bones, rovo. I think it's taken up residence in the left femur. ;D
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 2, 2011 14:37:10 GMT -5
Military is under contract to the USA. You suggest the USA violate that contract? Not me. .... Nor I. Enlistments in the military end continually. We can easily reduce the size of the military by not renewing contracts when they end and by not enlisting as many new people in the first place. It is also an option to solicit volunteers who wish to have their contracts ended. No violation of contractual agreements would be necessary. Commisioned officers are a different case: ...This commission is to continue in force during the pleasure of the President of the United States of America for the time being, under the provisions of those Public Laws relating to Officers of the Armed Forces of the United States of America and the component thereof in which this appointment is made. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_(document)#United_States Again, no contractual violation would be done reducing the officer corp either.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jun 2, 2011 14:41:11 GMT -5
LOL, Been There-- you see them as chain gangs working.. good idea... but I see them as chain gangs raided by bad guys that gun down the watchers and free the illegals.. ;D ...tazer-style neck cuffs, in addition to the chains, should suffice... or electrify the entire chain when tampering is detected... just like military units keep an eye out for/against shared punishment, even prisoners can be reliable in some ways... ;D
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