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Post by Angel! on May 25, 2011 17:13:58 GMT -5
But the simplest thing you need to understand is this: More demand for electricity = higher electricity rates IF we do nothing to change the supply. This is true & I'm not sure that everyone understands this. One of the reasons we need several energy sources for energy & ultimately we need to become much more efficient. Maybe one day these cars will become so efficient that an hours charge will drive you 10,000 miles.
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Post by EVT1 on May 25, 2011 17:19:00 GMT -5
Even our volunteer rescue squads know how to deal with hybrids/electrics and where not to cut/how to disable the battery packs. I suggest they get with the program in Duncan- the NFPA offers plenty of resources. Don't worry- they will cut you out.
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Post by EVT1 on May 25, 2011 17:27:25 GMT -5
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on May 25, 2011 18:28:56 GMT -5
They intend to build recharging stations for the public to use. Like I said, the technology & infrastructure isn't there yet to make electric-only a good choice for many people. ROFLMAO OMG This has to be the post of the year. What fool believes 100s of thousands of miles of public streets will be fitted with charging outlets to recharge electric cars....
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Post by EVT1 on May 25, 2011 18:50:23 GMT -5
How about inductive charging under roads- starting with rush hour/traffic jam routes? Imagine electric highways- lots of potential down the road.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on May 25, 2011 18:54:06 GMT -5
How about inductive charging under roads- starting with rush hour/traffic jam routes? Imagine electric highways- lots of potential down the road.
You referring possibly to something like the slot car racing sets we had as kids in the 60s and 70s?
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Post by workpublic on May 25, 2011 19:01:38 GMT -5
isn't electricity produced by burning oil or coal or natural gas to boil water to produce steam? how much more fossil fuel will it take to produce the larger amount of electricity needed when the cars "catch on"?
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Post by EVT1 on May 25, 2011 19:08:12 GMT -5
You referring possibly to something like the slot car racing sets we had as kids in the 60s and 70s? Exactly what I was thinking except they had contacts. More like superconductors and especially what it could do to the trucking industry if they only had to carry minimal battery power. It would be a massive project- if feasible. Also, you could have a smart lanes with high speed/auto pilot. That would be sweet.
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Post by workpublic on May 25, 2011 19:09:38 GMT -5
and a third rail?
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on May 25, 2011 19:18:06 GMT -5
Exactly what I was thinking except they had contacts. More like superconductors and especially what it could do to the trucking industry if they only had to carry minimal battery power. It would be a massive project- if feasible. Also, you could have a smart lanes with high speed/auto pilot. That would be sweet. What would you estimate the cost of retrofitting the 100s of thousands of miles of streets, roads, paths, highways, by-ways, bridges and tunnels in this great country of ours? You don't have to give me an exact number, just round to the 10s of trillions. No need to quibble over a few hundred billion.
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Post by EVT1 on May 25, 2011 19:30:07 GMT -5
Lots of jobs though Realisticly you could power congested commuter areas so people sitting still in rush hour traffic wouldn't be wasting battery power. Also you could power parking lots. That's what I see as the best potential for these anyway- go to work/shopping around town vehicles. Great to clean up cities- you can always rent a car for trips.
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Post by cme1201 on May 25, 2011 19:39:23 GMT -5
You referring possibly to something like the slot car racing sets we had as kids in the 60s and 70s? Exactly what I was thinking except they had contacts. More like superconductors and especially what it could do to the trucking industry if they only had to carry minimal battery power. It would be a massive project- if feasible. Also, you could have a smart lanes with high speed/auto pilot. That would be sweet. Beyond SF's monetary question on retrofitting the roads, how are you going to generate enough power to power homes, business and transportation more coal power plants, nuclear power, wind, water or solar Where will you locate the "transportation dedicated" power stations? Will government allow FPL, ConED, GeorgiaPower and similar electric providers to sell "transportation" power or will government be "selling" power to us?
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Post by EVT1 on May 25, 2011 23:30:40 GMT -5
I didn't say it was feasible yet, but I would much rather burn US coal, US natural gas, use US wind, solar, hydro,nuclear,etc., than be tethered to foreign oil, or even worse, energy traders. One thing is for certain, we are going to have to reign in this bullshit paper shuffling between wall street scumbags that have no business buying or selling energy that they have no intention of using, taking delivery of, etc. Go back to basics- the oil is for sale- highest bidder buys it and takes delivery, and unless you are in the business (refinery,etc) then get the hell out. Is there anyone that doesn't think this manipulative price gouging doesn't need to go?
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Post by txbo on May 26, 2011 5:01:45 GMT -5
An electric car only makes sense if you live in the suburbs have less than 100 mile round trip for work. They are too expensive to buy and are a bad investment it you trade in a perfectly good car just for the fuel savings. I would buy a VW or Audi diesel that gets around 45 mpg. Ten years from now an electric car may be the perfect way to go but not now. I see many people driving them around here, its just not for me right now.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on May 26, 2011 6:03:02 GMT -5
Lots of jobs though Realisticly you could power congested commuter areas so people sitting still in rush hour traffic wouldn't be wasting battery power. Also you could power parking lots. That's what I see as the best potential for these anyway- go to work/shopping around town vehicles. Great to clean up cities- you can always rent a car for trips. This is true. This sort of infrastructure likely can also control the speed of vehicles. You are on target with job creation.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on May 26, 2011 6:06:40 GMT -5
Them dadburned horseless buggies..... - noisy and smelly. - use an expensive refined oil biproduct. - too expensive. - prone to break down. - require an extensive smooth road network. - guv'ment will give 'em away to poor people. Nope, ain't gonna happen. I'm keeping ole Bessie. I don't need no dad burned auto mobile! Don't even get me started on flight. If man were meant to fly- he'd have wings.
A smart fellow such as yourself, running a successful and reputable business realizes this is at least five decades away, if not more, and will cost many 10s of trillions of dollars; as well as not having the electric generation plants.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on May 26, 2011 6:10:02 GMT -5
One thing is for certain, we are going to have to reign in this bullshit paper shuffling between wall street scumbags that have no business buying or selling energy that they have no intention of using, taking delivery of, etcThe Wall Street scumbags trading in commodities are keeping the price stable as well as the supply. In 2008, energy speculators moved the price of gas from $4.12 to $1.61 per gallon. mjperry.blogspot.com/2011/04/good-question-about-oil-traders.html#links
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Post by upstatemom on May 26, 2011 6:44:08 GMT -5
Our high school tech class just hooked up an electric car charger at the school that is run by a small windmill and solar panel that the kids built. The large score board is also run by that power. As far as I know, no one it our town has an electric car but it does give me faith in our American ingenuity.
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Post by pappyjohn99 on May 26, 2011 7:41:12 GMT -5
I do not question our ingenuity Mom. I worry about our resolve.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on May 26, 2011 8:25:16 GMT -5
Electrical retrofitting of our road system, will definitely lead to tracking and monitoring of citizenry movement. The govt is already discussing levying taxes on auto travel by placing rfid chips in cars and invoicing accordingly.
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Post by pappyjohn99 on May 26, 2011 8:30:08 GMT -5
That thought crossed my mind also.
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Post by pappyjohn99 on May 26, 2011 8:41:25 GMT -5
Freedom ain't free.
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Post by 973beachbum on May 26, 2011 8:56:11 GMT -5
An associate of mine refuses to use the "EZ Pass" toll system because of concern about gov't. monitoring. He pays almost twice in tolls what he would pay using the electronic system. You get a discount for using EZPass??? I live in NJ. Guess how much of a discount we get?
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on May 26, 2011 10:29:22 GMT -5
An associate of mine refuses to use the "EZ Pass" toll system because of concern about gov't. monitoring. He pays almost twice in tolls what he would pay using the electronic system.
EZ-Pass is a great system for handing out speeding tickets. They eliminate the state troopers from having to cruise on the highways. The distances between tolls or exits are noted as well as the elapsed time, a simple calculation determines if one is speeding.
What is interesting about EZPass in the NYC Metro area, is that most people do not have it. They sit idling for 10, 15, 20 minutes waiting to get throught the toll booths. At the same time10 booths are available, 8 of them are EZ Pass, and two are manned tolls. Should be the opposite, would eliminate most of the auto produced pollution.
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Post by decoy409 on May 26, 2011 11:05:55 GMT -5
Savoir Faire, hope all is well for you! I do enjoy your posts. And although I rarely come here to post,I do READ! Thanks for the hilarious (but truthful) post above being, 'Regarding electric cars that need to be plugged in over night, how would the 10s of millions of auto owners who live in urban areas(like NYC for example), plug in their cars at night, when they do not have a driveway and part 200 feet down the street.' (end) I love it when those such as yourself hit the nail on the head! Besides that with each year and the rolling blackouts throughout our country,can you just imagine. And besides that,with personnal income going out at a average of 12% from the pocketbook now for utilites and gas (up almost 4 percent from just a few years ago), imagine that rate change! Have a great day Savoir!
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 26, 2011 12:04:27 GMT -5
The world is awash in crude oil. Most of the supply restriction in the United States is government imposed. We need to explore, extract, and refine and use oil, natural gas, and coal and the MARKET will tell us when we need to make a shift.
We don't light our houses using whale oil. The market said it was time for a shift, and we found something else.
The same will happen if and when it is required to shift from oil. It will be MARKET, not policy driven.
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