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Post by NastyWoman on Dec 3, 2018 20:48:10 GMT -5
As you all know I don't have little children nor do I live in NJ but how would you react if this happened to your child. For the record: I would be spitting mad.
"A substitute teacher at a New Jersey elementary school may get put on the naughty list after telling a class that Santa Claus is not real and the presents left under the Christmas tree are put there by their parents.
Michael J. Raj, the principal of Cedar Hill Elementary School in Towaco in Morris County, told parents in a letter that the incident happened Thursday, and the school had talked to the substitute "regarding her poor judgment in making this proclamation," NJ.com reported.
"As a father of four myself, I am truly aware of the sensitive nature of this announcement," he said. "On behalf of Cedar Hill School, I apologize for this incident."... www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/substitute-teacher-tells-1st-grade-class-santa-isn-t-real-n943201
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Post by chapeau on Dec 3, 2018 21:10:36 GMT -5
As you all know I don't have little children nor do I live in NJ but how would you react if this happened to your child. For the record: I would be spitting mad.
"A substitute teacher at a New Jersey elementary school may get put on the naughty list after telling a class that Santa Claus is not real and the presents left under the Christmas tree are put there by their parents.
Michael J. Raj, the principal of Cedar Hill Elementary School in Towaco in Morris County, told parents in a letter that the incident happened Thursday, and the school had talked to the substitute "regarding her poor judgment in making this proclamation," NJ.com reported.
"As a father of four myself, I am truly aware of the sensitive nature of this announcement," he said. "On behalf of Cedar Hill School, I apologize for this incident."... www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/substitute-teacher-tells-1st-grade-class-santa-isn-t-real-n943201
I’d consider homicide. That it just mean to do. I’d expect it from kids, but not a supposed adult. Further proof that not everyone is meant to be a teacher. I figure this is probably DD’s last Christmas believing. I hope not, but it’s possible. Although yesterday at the Nutcracker she asked “if they’re all fighting in front of the tree how is Santa going to leave the presents?”
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Post by taz157 on Dec 3, 2018 21:17:52 GMT -5
As you all know I don't have little children nor do I live in NJ but how would you react if this happened to your child. For the record: I would be spitting mad.
"A substitute teacher at a New Jersey elementary school may get put on the naughty list after telling a class that Santa Claus is not real and the presents left under the Christmas tree are put there by their parents.
Michael J. Raj, the principal of Cedar Hill Elementary School in Towaco in Morris County, told parents in a letter that the incident happened Thursday, and the school had talked to the substitute "regarding her poor judgment in making this proclamation," NJ.com reported.
"As a father of four myself, I am truly aware of the sensitive nature of this announcement," he said. "On behalf of Cedar Hill School, I apologize for this incident."... www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/substitute-teacher-tells-1st-grade-class-santa-isn-t-real-n943201
I would be extremely pissed!!! Close to homicial. Last Friday, I had DD ask me if Santa was real because one of her friends said that he wasn’t and it the parents giving the gifts. I asked her what she thought and went from there (FWIW, she still believes and she’s 7).
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Dec 3, 2018 21:21:16 GMT -5
My 10 year old is fighting the good fight to keep on believing.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Dec 3, 2018 21:30:53 GMT -5
My 8 yo somehow still believes, though he's blabbed all over the place about the tooth fairy in front of his little brother, who's just started losing his teeth. 😡
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Post by taz157 on Dec 3, 2018 21:32:12 GMT -5
My 10 year old is fighting the good fight to keep on believing. My friend’s 10 year old DD asked her mom about it around Easter (just before she turned 10) and figured it out. Her DD is under orders not to say anything to her younger sister.
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Post by NastyWoman on Dec 3, 2018 21:34:58 GMT -5
As you all know I don't have little children nor do I live in NJ but how would you react if this happened to your child. For the record: I would be spitting mad.
"A substitute teacher at a New Jersey elementary school may get put on the naughty list after telling a class that Santa Claus is not real and the presents left under the Christmas tree are put there by their parents.
Michael J. Raj, the principal of Cedar Hill Elementary School in Towaco in Morris County, told parents in a letter that the incident happened Thursday, and the school had talked to the substitute "regarding her poor judgment in making this proclamation," NJ.com reported.
"As a father of four myself, I am truly aware of the sensitive nature of this announcement," he said. "On behalf of Cedar Hill School, I apologize for this incident."... www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/substitute-teacher-tells-1st-grade-class-santa-isn-t-real-n943201
I would be extremely pissed!!! Close to homicial. Last Friday, I had DD ask me if Santa was real because one of her friends said that he wasn’t and it the parents giving the gifts. I asked her what she thought and went from there (FWIW, she still believes and she’s 7). When DS1 asked me this question (many, many, many moons ago) I knew he was ready for a "soft truth". And I told him, yes Santa is real, but he is not the old guy that we call Santa. He is everyone in the world who loves you. Now when you were little that was too difficult to understand, so we called "everybody" Santa. And (here I really went off the rails) now Santa has just grown a little bigger because now you are Santa as well. But N. (DS2) is still too little and as Santa you can't tell him.
The kid had a vivid imagination and went for it. XMAS is still our favorite family holiday for all of us and we'll fly across the world (in planes not sleighs _) just so we can be together at that time.
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Post by chapeau on Dec 3, 2018 21:37:05 GMT -5
My 10 year old is fighting the good fight to keep on believing. My friend’s 10 year old DD asked her mom about it around Easter (just before she turned 10) and figured it out. Her DD is under orders not to say anything to her younger sister. When I figured it out, my mom explained how important it was to keep the magic for my younger sisters and brother. I swore up and down to all of them that he (and all the rest) were real, including sneering to the older kid on the bus who tried to spill the beans. With all 3 of her older siblings telling her Santa was real, my poor youngest sister was 11 when she finally gave up asking us and asked mom.
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Post by steph08 on Dec 3, 2018 21:44:08 GMT -5
I was somewhere the other day, I can't remember where, and a mom was pushing a stroller with a young kid out the door and a 4 or so year old walking with them. The mom was just fed up and saying "Santa isn't bringing you anything because he's not real, blah blah blah" and the little girl was going "yes, he is! Yes, he is!" It was heartbreaking! Who would do that to a kid?!?!
I was so thankful that my kids were not with me. Two times in the past week when I have been grateful for that. The other one was where DH's family was out to dinner, once again without inviting us because we don't matter, and I ran into them when I was picking up pizza. I don't want to have to explain to my four year old why we are excluded from things like that (Because your grandparents are assholes and have a favorite child, who is not Dad). Anyway, I digress.
I know some people don't do Santa, but we do. I want my kids to be kids. And it's damn magical when they see the presents on Christmas morning. Santa is almost as much for me as it is for them.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Dec 3, 2018 21:56:30 GMT -5
My parents didn't do Santa gifts except for once, when I wrote a letter asking for my own little Christmas tree, so i grew up feeling Santa wasn't for us (I often felt our family was different, because of parents being immigrants). I really like my kids getting excited about Santa and believing in the magic (although I suck at being Santa). They're part of a whole cultural tradition that I was often relegated to the sidelines for.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 22:07:13 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Carrot's dad has spilled the beans to him. He always hated the whole Santa thing saying if we lie to him about Santa he's not going to question whether or not God is real too. I'm like "whatever, we're having Santa". But now that we're not together I'm sure he's gone ahead and told him. Carrot isn't stupid though. He pretends, but I'm pretty certain it's just pretending. It makes me sad, I was hoping to get at least one more year of magic for him, but at least I get credit for the gifts now, even if he doesn't admit he knows.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Dec 3, 2018 22:11:15 GMT -5
Gwen figured out he isn't real. She is under strict orders to not blab to her sister. So far she's done a great job. She even cheerfully went along when Abby wanted her to sit with Santa too.
Gwen asked if she can help play Santa for Abby this year. She's really excited she has a whole plan to set up the present under Abby's little tree in their bedroom.
I've been so impressed Gwen is still getting a present from "Santa" as a thank you for being such a good helper.
It was pretty funny to watch Gwen figure out it's been DH eating the cookies every year.
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Post by chapeau on Dec 3, 2018 22:44:04 GMT -5
I still get presents from Santa.
Ok, my parents are the ultimate recyclers and we have some gift tags that have been in use for 35-40 years. Not all of them get used every year, but wrapping beautiful presents is important to both of my parents, for different reasons. Mom honors her mom who paid her own way through nursing school wrapping gifts in a fancy jewelry store. Dad’s family was so poor when he was a kid that the presentation of the gift was the important part, because the gift itself was often very small. Dad ties very elaborate bows, uses every scrap of paper, and can take hours wrapping a few gifts, but they’re too pretty to open. The tags are always coordinated with the paper, so we carefully remove tags from paper and re-use them year after year. Mom actually had to bum blank tags from me last year for my sister’s fiancé, since she didn’t have any to reuse. She hasn’t bought tags since DD was born.
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Post by crazycat on Dec 3, 2018 23:26:20 GMT -5
As you all know I don't have little children nor do I live in NJ but how would you react if this happened to your child. For the record: I would be spitting mad.
"A substitute teacher at a New Jersey elementary school may get put on the naughty list after telling a class that Santa Claus is not real and the presents left under the Christmas tree are put there by their parents.
Michael J. Raj, the principal of Cedar Hill Elementary School in Towaco in Morris County, told parents in a letter that the incident happened Thursday, and the school had talked to the substitute "regarding her poor judgment in making this proclamation," NJ.com reported.
"As a father of four myself, I am truly aware of the sensitive nature of this announcement," he said. "On behalf of Cedar Hill School, I apologize for this incident."... www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/substitute-teacher-tells-1st-grade-class-santa-isn-t-real-n943201
I was at work the other day and heard a boy (about 10) tell his little sister (3 or 4) that Santa wasn’t real. He was being a giant jerk to her about it . The mom was just shopping away not paying attention. I walked up to them and said , you know what happens to kids who don’t believe in Santa , they get underwear and socks for Christmas. The mom turned around and chuckled and the boy had a shocked look on his face . I just thought he was being so mean ruining that for his little sister . I still I’ll tease my grown sons (22 & 26 ) that if they don’t believe that’s what they’ll get . 😄
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 23:34:07 GMT -5
As a younger kid I really liked The BoxcarChildren. The older kids never got into it, maybe C will. I read all of the Ramona books as well, but don’t have quite the same attachment to those. I loved Ramona. A guy I knew years ago would call me Ramona the pest when I irritated him. I was surprised he knew about Ramona lol. My name starts with an R but it's not even close to Ramona.
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Post by Pants on Dec 3, 2018 23:35:08 GMT -5
The other night K turns to me in the car and says "Santa the Christmas boy is DEAD!" Her sister told her Santa was dead, apparently.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 23:43:04 GMT -5
I loved the Beverly Cleary Ramona books, Chronicles of Narnia, and Trixie Belden books, though I didn't get to read even half of those, I don't think. Also like some Judy Blume, and then I started getting more into science fantasy, JRR Tolkien kind of stuff. I stopped reading so much in Jr High and especially high school, as I got really busy with activities and it seemed to get harder to find the type of books I really liked. (This was pre-internet, digital media days.) I read the Ramona books, had all of Judy Blume's books, I read SVH, and I liked Encyclopedia Brown, I think that was the name. By junior high, I was also reading Harlequin Romances. Ummm.... yeah. Anyway... I was an avid reader from the time I learned to read. I LOVED books. I would go to the store with my own money and I'd buy a book instead of candy or chips. My Mom had a set of Encyclopedias, if I didn't have anything to read, I read one of them. By high school and into adulthood, I would read 2 or 3 books/week.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Dec 4, 2018 9:13:48 GMT -5
Yes, go Michelle! There is a discussion on this in YMOT now. I saw her in Philly on Thursday and she was incredible. She said some things that resonated with me as well, mainly about entering new chapters in life. I attended with my sister, mom, and aunt. There were a lot of women groups of family/friends who attended. It was a very empowering and inspiring evening!
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Post by MJ2.0 on Dec 4, 2018 9:14:10 GMT -5
for a kid who is pretty logical, DS still believes in Santa. And when we talk about things like Toys for Tots or the charity walk he just did with X, I say that yes Santa will make sure all the good kids have gifts, but we should help those kids too. I'm already prepping for when he doesn't believe and will then likely ask why we lied. NastyWoman's explanation is something very similar to what I feel and what I'll tell DS - and add to it that Santa is really in all of us, the spirit of love, giving, and gratitude.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Dec 4, 2018 9:17:59 GMT -5
I loved Beverly Cleary as a kid. And Judy Bloom, of course. I started a literary theme with my cat names - we had a Henry Chinaski (RIP) and have a Charlie Asher now. I'm trying to convince my husband that two female cats after our 18-year-old passes is a good idea. I want to name them Beezus and Ramona. If we get another male I'm leaning toward Billy Pilgrim or Kilgore Trout.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2018 9:37:20 GMT -5
for a kid who is pretty logical, DS still believes in Santa. And when we talk about things like Toys for Tots or the charity walk he just did with X, I say that yes Santa will make sure all the good kids have gifts, but we should help those kids too. I'm already prepping for when he doesn't believe and will then likely ask why we lied. NastyWoman 's explanation is something very similar to what I feel and what I'll tell DS - and add to it that Santa is really in all of us, the spirit of love, giving, and gratitude. I don't ever remembering asking, and neither of my kids did. It was more of a "lets keep this good thing going by not letting on we know". Older son said he had it figured out back in first grade. He was pretty good at not letting me know he knew.
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Post by gracendignity on Dec 4, 2018 10:04:57 GMT -5
"A substitute teacher at a New Jersey elementary school may get put on the naughty list after telling a class that Santa Claus is not real and the presents left under the Christmas tree are put there by their parents.
In a world where kindergartners and first graders have to practice drills against active shooters you can bet your sweet ass I want kids to believe Santa is real for just as long as the magic can be kept alive! A thousand lashes with a wet noodle to that hateful woman who told the kids Santa isn't real!
When my daughters were old enough to really question I told them just about the same story as Nasty Woman used. I truly believe it, too. I'm feeling particularly sentimental this Christmas for some reason and it just makes me ever so happy that my 6-year-old granddaughter is still a dipped dyed in the wool true believer. Yesterday was her school's Christmas program and I was just teary-eyed at the whole thing of little 5 and 6-year-olds singing their songs, complete with choreographed hand gestures and reciting their little class poems, most of them in their fancy red/green finery and wearing Santa and elf hats. My "allergies were acting up" and I needed a tissue throughout much of it. If any asshole wanted to tell a single of those kids that Santa isn't real, I'd have been ready to kick his/her butt and take names.
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Post by chapeau on Dec 4, 2018 10:11:24 GMT -5
for a kid who is pretty logical, DS still believes in Santa. And when we talk about things like Toys for Tots or the charity walk he just did with X, I say that yes Santa will make sure all the good kids have gifts, but we should help those kids too. I'm already prepping for when he doesn't believe and will then likely ask why we lied. NastyWoman's explanation is something very similar to what I feel and what I'll tell DS - and add to it that Santa is really in all of us, the spirit of love, giving, and gratitude. This runs in our newspaper every Christmas Day. www.nysun.com/editorials/yes-virginia/68502/
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Post by steph08 on Dec 4, 2018 10:52:48 GMT -5
My mom still writes our Christmas tags from Santa, Rudolph, Mrs. Claus, The Elves, Frosty, Jack Frost, etc. You name it - I've gotten a gift from them. My absolute favorite tags are the fun ones my mom writes on my dad's gifts - she usually only does one or two a year like this. They'll be hilariously disgusting (especially when I was a teenager), like "To my Harley Hubby" "From your motorcycle mama" (they don't even have a motorcycle. Or "To My Sugar Pie" "From Your Sweet Thing." They're hilarious.
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Post by WholeLottaNothin on Dec 4, 2018 15:23:19 GMT -5
I haven't really written a whole lot since I mentioned I was going to see a hematologist. Someone on here had mentioned starting low dose aspirin - that is what she had me start doing. She also recommended that I have an EKG and a mammogram because of the cancer treatments I had when I was in my 20's. I had the mammogram yesterday. They found something in my left breast. I will have to have an ultrasound to see if it is cancerous or a cyst. The woman who did the mammogram said she had been doing them for 20 years and thought it looked like a cyst. Hopefully she is right. I really do not want to deal with this right now. I haven't told my DH yet because he flips out about minor things (with his mental health issues), but my mom knows. I want to see what the ultrasound says first before I say anything.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Dec 4, 2018 15:42:42 GMT -5
Awe nuttin. Hugs and prayers for you.
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Post by raeoflyte on Dec 4, 2018 15:43:34 GMT -5
Awe nuttin. Hugs and prayers for you.
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