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Post by thyme4change on May 19, 2011 12:48:57 GMT -5
I'm always interested in what hiring managers say. It really does illustrate that everyone is different.
If someone was a very successful athlete in college, and now has about 2 years of experience in the business world, what percentage of the resume should be dedicated to the athletic success? The job has nothing to do with sports.
And why did you pick your answer?
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Post by swamp on May 19, 2011 12:50:50 GMT -5
Good question. While I think the effort, work ethic and goal setting that goes into becoming a successful collegiate athlete are tranferable to the work world, I think including that on a resume is akin to bragging. So I probably don't want to see it.
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Post by midjd on May 19, 2011 12:54:21 GMT -5
No more than a sentence, if it's not relevant to the job. It might be something s/he could bring up in the interview (to emphasize teamwork, dedication, perseverance, etc.) but I think putting a bullet point or paragraph on the resume would be a red flag to me that the candidate doesn't have as much experience as I'd like.
Most of the resumes I've seen have been extremely tailored to the job for which I'm hiring. I think the economic situation has upped the ante a little, at least in some professions.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on May 19, 2011 12:56:35 GMT -5
On the actual resume, very very little if any. That's something that you might talk about during the interview, as long as you're relating it to goal setting and achievement, or drive, or something like that. On the resume it's just a bunch of space that you took up highlighting the fact that you don't have the right background for the job. I'd look at it about the same as I would somebody who highlighted their stable of level 80 WoW characters.
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Post by swamp on May 19, 2011 12:57:38 GMT -5
I'd look at it about the same as I would somebody who highlighted their stable of level 80 WoW characters. I'd give the WoW guy a wedgie in the interview. I wouldn't dare do that with the athlete.
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Post by pig on May 19, 2011 12:58:35 GMT -5
It's irrelevant unless you're applying for a job in which it's a useful skill.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2011 13:00:09 GMT -5
Are we talking starting quarterback on a D-1 football team or a rower on a D-3 crew team?
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Post by thyme4change on May 19, 2011 13:02:07 GMT -5
That was my feeling too. I believe this person assumes that athletes generate great respect. I wonder how many people just see them as meatheads who beat people up in high school.
I would think it would be at most 1 in 10 would be able to leap on the transferability of the skills. 1 out of 10 would consider it an immediate dismissal because of some previous experience with jerks. And the rest wouldn't care very much, and wonder where the real substance is. So, 9 out of 10, that section wouldn't help you.
I'm trying how to tell this person that they need to expand their work section. The jock section is about 40% of a one page resume.
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Post by thyme4change on May 19, 2011 13:03:16 GMT -5
Female athlete of a sport that isn't exactly America's past time. This isn't basketball or softball - not even volleyball or tennis. It is a team sport, but a weird one.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2011 13:04:12 GMT -5
Female athlete of a sport that isn't exactly America's past time. This isn't basketball or softball - not even volleyball or tennis. It is a team sport, but a weird one. 1 line mention on the resume. Another few years on the job and no mention.
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Post by illinicheme on May 19, 2011 13:05:17 GMT -5
I'd look at it about the same as I would somebody who highlighted their stable of level 80 WoW characters. Especially since the level cap is now 85! ;D I have an internal candidate for an open position. He's probably going to get the spot, but he does have interests listed at the bottom of his resume (rock climbing, triathlons, ultimate frisbee, falconry). It just strikes me as a strange thing to include. Chalk me up as one of the "talk about it in the interview if it's relevant but minimize mention on the resume" crowd.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on May 19, 2011 13:07:26 GMT -5
Female athlete of a sport that isn't exactly America's past time. This isn't basketball or softball - not even volleyball or tennis. It is a team sport, but a weird one. Gotcha, so like a member of a college field hockey team? Yeah, I second one line on the resume if she has to mention it.
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Post by illinicheme on May 19, 2011 13:08:04 GMT -5
I'm trying how to tell this person that they need to expand their work section. The jock section is about 40% of a one page resume. That's WAY too much. While you're figuring out how to give feedback, make sure to remind them to also tailor their resume to each individual position. I've got a pile of 20+ resumes sitting on my desk, some of which have an objective statement that automatically disqualifies them. I almost want to call them and ask "wtf? Did you read the job description?"
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Post by thyme4change on May 19, 2011 13:12:17 GMT -5
I really like the idea of tailoring each resume. It is so easy to do now that everyone has a computer. Really it should only take half an hour to rearrange and restate your bullets to answer each and every job skill needed.
Her resume has other problems - a majority of her work experience was running her own business, and now she is applying at larger companies. I don't find that corporate machines appreciate the entrepreneurial spirit - and vice-versa.
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Post by pig on May 19, 2011 13:16:46 GMT -5
I don't find that corporate machines appreciate the entrepreneurial spirit - and vice-versa.
No, but you don't have to list them in that light. If the skills are the same it won't matter to them where they were obtained as long as she can back it up with concrete specific examples I would think.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2011 13:24:31 GMT -5
Most managers have very little time already
Frivolous crap on a resume earns a resting spot in file 13 (wastebasket)
I dont need to know anything about your miscellaneous adventures or hobbies, until i decide i actually want to talk to you about what you can do for me
Only things on resume should be items that make me want to talk to you!
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on May 19, 2011 13:39:28 GMT -5
I'm trying how to tell this person that they need to expand their work section. The jock section is about 40% of a one page resume. How is your sport experience relative to this job and why did you include it?
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Post by cael on May 19, 2011 13:40:04 GMT -5
This is a good question. When I had to fix up my resume a few years ago to apply to my current job, my mother thought it a good idea to add the random sentence "plays violin solo/professionally" or something like that. I didn't quite think it was necessary to just put that at the bottom of the resume...
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Post by jeffreymo on May 19, 2011 13:40:09 GMT -5
2 years out of college isn't much experience. I wouldn't expect a multi-page resume or even a completely full 1 pager. I'd think that most hiring managers would only need 1 line about the athletice endeavors to be intrigued. Something like Captain and 4 year participant on the Women's Field Hockey Team at Local U. conveys a strong message and only uses 1 line.
Using it as filler because you're 24 years old and haven't built extensive career experiences is probably going to get it thrown in the trash. I had a friend who used to list each Rec sport he particpated in, and captained. I thought it was comical.
Edit: I guess this person the OP is speaking of is probably not 24 - former business owner. There are PLENTY of skills that a business owner should have acquired - customer service, management, financial etc...
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Post by gooddecisions on May 19, 2011 13:41:55 GMT -5
I hire people and review resumes infrequently. I don't personally put sports and activities on my resumes even though I play several. Occasionally I'll see a one line mention, but my guess is anything that had more than one line got screened by HR before it even made it to me. One of my friends has a line with the sports she's involved in on her resume. I asked her why she included non work related information on her resume and she said hiring managers she interviews with love it. I guess it breaks the ice during the interview and if the company has a corporate softball team- even better.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2011 13:42:33 GMT -5
Female athlete of a sport that isn't exactly America's past time. This isn't basketball or softball - not even volleyball or tennis. It is a team sport, but a weird one. Quidditch?
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Post by ohmomto2boys on May 19, 2011 13:43:49 GMT -5
I would rather see "Eagle Scout" on a resume. A lot of people can play sports.
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Post by swamp on May 19, 2011 13:54:41 GMT -5
I would rather see "Eagle Scout" on a resume. A lot of people can play sports. Not at the collegiate level, they can't.
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Post by swamp on May 19, 2011 13:55:35 GMT -5
I hire people and review resumes infrequently. I don't personally put sports and activities on my resumes even though I play several. Occasionally I'll see a one line mention, but my guess is anything that had more than one line got screened by HR before it even made it to me. One of my friends has a line with the sports she's involved in on her resume. I asked her why she included non work related information on her resume and she said hiring managers she interviews with love it. I guess it breaks the ice during the interview and if the company has a corporate softball team- even better. One of my friends from law school was told during an interview part of the reason she got an interview and the job is because she was a golfer. You never know what the hiring dude is looking for.
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Post by chiver78 on May 19, 2011 13:56:30 GMT -5
Female athlete of a sport that isn't exactly America's past time. This isn't basketball or softball - not even volleyball or tennis. It is a team sport, but a weird one. um, I'm with the "one line" crew. I work with a guy that was a starter on a BCS-caliber D-1 football team. he also holds an engineering degree. this guy listed football in his activities, but where he listed his GPA he broke it down for "football season" vs. "off-season". I think your female athlete will be OK with one line too.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2011 13:58:06 GMT -5
When the hiring manager is female, I always put down "Long walks along the beach" under hobbies.
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Post by swamp on May 19, 2011 13:59:00 GMT -5
When the hiring manager is female, I always put down "Long walks along the beach" under hobbies. Put down "candle lit dinners and reading romance novels" too. That should help.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2011 14:02:25 GMT -5
When the hiring manager is female, I always put down "Long walks along the beach" under hobbies. Put down "candle lit dinners and reading romance novels" too. That should help. "Attended Lilith Fair - twice" also has worked.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on May 19, 2011 14:04:12 GMT -5
Put down "candle lit dinners and reading romance novels" too. That should help. I'm a minimalist and really try to stick to one page resumes, so I'd just shorten all that tripe down to one line, "I'm gay." We all know that chicks dig gay dudes.
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Post by Mrs. Dinero on May 19, 2011 14:07:10 GMT -5
Too funny. I just connected with a friend on linkedln and he had capt of the rugby team under college groups. I thought it was pretty cool and shows he can lead. Don't think it's appropriate on a resume though. Could be useful in the interview like someone else has mentioned.
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