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Post by henryclay on May 18, 2011 17:33:04 GMT -5
blue, I gotta give you credit. . . You do have a way with words.
Me? I couldn't really care less about where he was born, but it seems to be the only game in town hat is still being played. What I'm concerned about is the Constitution. When was it changed to allow a dual citizen to qualify as a presidential hopeful?
Got any pointers?
And just asking here. . . You said you were going to take another look at the White House web site. What additional inspiration did you get from your visit?
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Post by marshabar1 on May 18, 2011 17:45:24 GMT -5
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Post by deziloooooo on May 18, 2011 17:50:55 GMT -5
Ouch.I bet that cost some bucks-- BREAKING: Jerome Corsi's Birther Book Pulled from Shelves! May 18, 2011 at 10:50AM by Mark Warren In a stunning development one day after the release of Where's the Birth Certificate? The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President, by Dr. Jerome Corsi, World Net Daily Editor and Chief Executive Officer Joseph Farah has announced plans to recall and pulp the entire 200,000 first printing run of the book, as well as announcing an offer to refund the purchase price to anyone who has already bought either a hard copy or electronic download of the book. In an exclusive interview, a reflective Farah, who wrote the book's foreword and also published Corsi's earlier best-selling work, Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak out Against John Kerry and Capricorn One: NASA, JFK, and the Great "Moon Landing" Cover-Up, said that after much serious reflection, he could not go forward with the project. "I believe with all my heart that Barack Obama is destroying this country, and I will continue to stand against his administration at every turn, but in light of recent events, this book has become problematic, and contains what I now believe to be factual inaccuracies," he said this morning. "I cannot in good conscience publish it and expect anyone to believe it." When asked if he had any plans to publish a corrected version of the book, he said cryptically, "There is no book." Farah declined to comment on his discussions of the matter with Corsi. A source at WND, who requested that his name be withheld, said that Farah was "rip-shit" when, on April 27, President Obama took the extraordinary step of personally releasing his "long-form" birth certificate, thus resolving the matter of Obama's legitimacy for "anybody with a brain." "He called up Corsi and really tore him a new one," says the source. "I mean, we'll do anything to hurt Obama, and erase his memory, but we don't want to look like fucking idiots, you know? Look, at the end of the day, bullshit is bullshit." Corsi, who graduated from Harvard and is a professional journalist, could not be reached for comment. Read more: www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/jerome-corsi-birther-book-5765410#ixzz1Mii5dsvpIt was bullshit from day one and any one who went with it WAS a "F****** Idiot",, Except those posters here on this Proboard forum, they were just confused.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 18, 2011 17:54:51 GMT -5
Ouch.I bet that cost some bucks-- BREAKING: Jerome Corsi's Birther Book Pulled from Shelves! May 18, 2011 at 10:50AM by Mark Warren In a stunning development one day after the release of Where's the Birth Certificate? The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President, by Dr. Jerome Corsi, World Net Daily Editor and Chief Executive Officer Joseph Farah has announced plans to recall and pulp the entire 200,000 first printing run of the book, as well as announcing an offer to refund the purchase price to anyone who has already bought either a hard copy or electronic download of the book. In an exclusive interview, a reflective Farah, who wrote the book's foreword and also published Corsi's earlier best-selling work, Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak out Against John Kerry and Capricorn One: NASA, JFK, and the Great "Moon Landing" Cover-Up, said that after much serious reflection, he could not go forward with the project. "I believe with all my heart that Barack Obama is destroying this country, and I will continue to stand against his administration at every turn, but in light of recent events, this book has become problematic, and contains what I now believe to be factual inaccuracies," he said this morning. "I cannot in good conscience publish it and expect anyone to believe it." When asked if he had any plans to publish a corrected version of the book, he said cryptically, "There is no book." Farah declined to comment on his discussions of the matter with Corsi. A source at WND, who requested that his name be withheld, said that Farah was "rip-shit" when, on April 27, President Obama took the extraordinary step of personally releasing his "long-form" birth certificate, thus resolving the matter of Obama's legitimacy for "anybody with a brain." "He called up Corsi and really tore him a new one," says the source. "I mean, we'll do anything to hurt Obama, and erase his memory, but we don't want to look like fucking idiots, you know? Look, at the end of the day, bullshit is bullshit." Corsi, who graduated from Harvard and is a professional journalist, could not be reached for comment. Read more: www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/jerome-corsi-birther-book-5765410#ixzz1Mii5dsvpIt was bullshit from day one and any one who went with it WAS a "F****** Idiot",, Except those posters here on this Proboard forum, they were just confused. LOL
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Post by bubblyandblue on May 18, 2011 18:41:48 GMT -5
I'm concerned with the constitution also, but it has nothing to do with Obama's citizenship. Don't know where your dual citizenship is comming from. Our founding fathers came from "citizens" of other countries but that does not mean off-spring born on US soil were not Natural born US citizens. A scan of a document will produce pixelated document - its just the way it is..... a print of an origional painting will produce pixels - just look at a newspaper. The birther issue is a red herring....period. My concerns about the constitution include High crimes committed by our previous administration and continued policies in the current administration - I can't believe that we have traveled through this much time as a nation and we have people that think, somehow, that enhanced iterogation techniques, are some how OK. I thought we rebeled against tyranny and oppression. Tourture because it is somehow expediant, is ridiculous - tourture is a high crime. Didn't Ben Franklin say something to the effect that 'those that give up freedoms for security deserve neither'. And what about this huge 'inside the box' homeland security apperatus and secret search and seizure laws that require no warrant/probable cause and, they can be executed without you knowing. Lets not talk about the relative price stability of illicet drugs - you would think those prices would go through the roof with all the boarder and other security the 'homeland' is providing all of us. If you can get 1 ton of coke across the boarder - then you can get 1 ton of any other imaginable product across the boarder - can you say nuclear. "Homeland Security" is a failure and, it's very name and size contradict the 9/11 report recommendations to think outside the box. I could go on. I do not like the political sphere insulting me with statements like "My job is to protect the american public" thus, implying that I am some coward in need of protection from whatever bogie-man de-jur. The President(s) swore to uphold the Constitution and, not my frightened ass. The only defense our country needs is an informed citizenry -- Maybe, with the corruption and fear-mongering going on - maybe we have lost that only defence.
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Post by lakhota on May 18, 2011 19:08:38 GMT -5
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Post by lakhota on May 18, 2011 19:10:36 GMT -5
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Post by lakhota on May 18, 2011 19:14:56 GMT -5
I failed to notice there is already a similar thread, so this one may be locked or deleted. Sorry...
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Post by handyman2 on May 18, 2011 19:33:09 GMT -5
Lakhota how many years do you think it will take before the birthers finally give up?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2011 19:37:20 GMT -5
Sounds like you agree with a WHOLE lot of us on here, bubbly. Makes me wonder why you came in guns blazin' and screaming without knowing who you are screaming at. Just saying.
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Post by billisonboard on May 18, 2011 19:38:05 GMT -5
Lakhota how many years do you think it will take before the birthers finally give up? For comparison: JFK was assassinated almost 48 years ago. Elvis died 33 years ago.
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Post by lakhota on May 18, 2011 19:44:43 GMT -5
Lakhota how many years do you think it will take before the birthers finally give up? Good question, and I don't know. However, my guess is that it will continue after Obama leaves office, maybe long after. The radical right is still trying to rewrite textbooks and I'm sure some will never give up trying to taint the first black president.
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Post by henryclay on May 18, 2011 19:50:00 GMT -5
Don't know where your dual citizenship is comming from. Our founding fathers came from "citizens" of other countries but that does not mean off-spring born on US soil were not Natural born US citizens. They wrote into the Constitution a specific exemption for people of that time who might aspire to the presidency, (and the vice presidency), but they restricted the exemption to people of that time. Obama has no such exemption. His birthplace is not important. He simply does not qualify because his father was British subject. All your other points may be good for discussion on other threads but they deviate so far from the theme of this discussion that I prefer not to respond here. Marsha, I don't believe the IBM typewriter that I mentined above was capable of severely overlapping one character into the space of another character like the example, with the "a" encroaching on the space of the "p", as you posted. I believe the investigators are correct when they say that is an example of computerized word processing software and a digital printer. I don't believe a continous flow paper supply, if run through a belt, or tractor-fed printer, with an analog font cartridge would do it either.
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Post by ed1066 on May 18, 2011 22:26:04 GMT -5
Lakhota how many years do you think it will take before the birthers finally give up? Good question, and I don't know. However, my guess is that it will continue after Obama leaves office, maybe long after. The radical right is still trying to rewrite textbooks and I'm sure some will never give up trying to taint the first black president. Obama is the second black president. The Democrats pissed that one away when they gave the title to Bill Clinton. Oh, well... Here's the text from the incredibly racist speech Toni Morrison gave referring to Clinton as the first black president: African-American men seemed to understand it right away. Years ago, in the middle of the Whitewater investigation, one heard the first murmurs: white skin notwithstanding, this is our first black President. Blacker than any actual black person who could ever be elected in our children's lifetime. After all, Clinton displays almost every trope of blackness: single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald's-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas. And when virtually all the African-American Clinton appointees began, one by one, to disappear, when the President's body, his privacy, his unpoliced sexuality became the focus of the persecution, when he was metaphorically seized and bodysearched, who could gainsay these black men who knew whereof they spoke? The message was clear "No matter how smart you are, how hard you work, how much coin you earn for us, we will put you in your place or put you out of the place you have somehow, albeit with our permission, achieved. You will be fired from your job, sent away in disgrace, and--who knows?--maybe sentenced and jailed to boot. In short, unless you do as we say (i.e., assimilate at once), your expletives belong to us." ontology.buffalo.edu/smith/clinton/morrison.html
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Post by bubblyandblue on May 19, 2011 7:07:49 GMT -5
Krickitt, I came in guns blazin' because, it never ceases to amaze me how some just can not understand how they could actually be wrong. Most people would not argue, at length, that 2+2 does not equal 4.... even though an argument could be made, however ridiculous. Also, we have become so politically concerned about making sure we don't offend anyone, don't expose anyone to the truth if it may offend, protect our sensibilities, avoid showing photos of coffins of our dead soldiers as it may expose people to the harsh realities of war....the list goes on and on. Sometimes you just have to say it like it is and, say it without sugar. If your kid is going to jump off a cliff because he tells you he can fly - are you going to stand bye and argue the principles of aerodynamics, gravity and inertia with him as he edges closer to the abyss?
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Post by deziloooooo on May 19, 2011 7:55:17 GMT -5
I'm concerned with the constitution also, but it has nothing to do with Obama's citizenship. Don't know where your dual citizenship is comming from. Our founding fathers came from "citizens" of other countries but that does not mean off-spring born on US soil were not Natural born US citizens. A scan of a document will produce pixelated document - its just the way it is..... a print of an origional painting will produce pixels - just look at a newspaper. The birther issue is a red herring....period. My concerns about the constitution include High crimes committed by our previous administration and continued policies in the current administration - I can't believe that we have traveled through this much time as a nation and we have people that think, somehow, that enhanced iterogation techniques, are some how OK. I thought we rebeled against tyranny and oppression. Tourture because it is somehow expediant, is ridiculous - tourture is a high crime. Didn't Ben Franklin say something to the effect that 'those that give up freedoms for security deserve neither'. And what about this huge 'inside the box' homeland security apperatus and secret search and seizure laws that require no warrant/probable cause and, they can be executed without you knowing. Lets not talk about the relative price stability of illicet drugs - you would think those prices would go through the roof with all the boarder and other security the 'homeland' is providing all of us. If you can get 1 ton of coke across the boarder - then you can get 1 ton of any other imaginable product across the boarder - can you say nuclear. "Homeland Security" is a failure and, it's very name and size contradict the 9/11 report recommendations to think outside the box. I could go on. I do not like the political sphere insulting me with statements like "My job is to protect the american public" thus, implying that I am some coward in need of protection from whatever bogie-man de-jur. The President(s) swore to uphold the Constitution and, not my frightened ass. The only defense our country needs is an informed citizenry -- Maybe, with the corruption and fear-mongering going on - maybe we have lost that only defence. B @b, ..I like the point of the drugs coming across, why not the other, you got that right. However, "My job is to protect the american public", and "implying that I am some coward in need of protection from whatever bogie-man de-jur. " don't agree, respectfully. I live in a 55 year old community, which means most of the men folk and one woman I know of, {she wasn't in the service , but she was one who was recruited to learn to fly the war craft and ferried them over seas, and around the country, freeing up the Men folk to fly combat, and is still p she wasn't allowed to fight} served in the different branches, and I hate to tell you , but our days of physically protecting ourselves are over. The same at my VFW post, my frinds there , many of us have seen action, but to do so today, just not going to happen. Don't make fun, your going to be there some day. I know he , POTUS , is not actually , physically going to stand in front of me as a protective shield, but he is the one in charge, [Eisenhower and McCarther wearn't expected to be in the front lines either}and is the one who is calling the shots, and so far, he seems to be doing ok on that. What ever faults some have with him, ready to take action , that is not one of them, weak on defense, and he just doesn't rush in willy nilly to commit, and that is fine with me too. We can argue about Afganistan, Lybia, but he took action after looking at all the alternatives, and if he made the correct call or not, history will let us know, but action he took. As far as my Constitutional rights are concerned, personally I don't spend one second thinking of which ones have been erroded, I seem to have all I had, the airline thing, example of rights erroded, no biggie, I prepare before hand, loafers, no belt , change in pockets, always a blazer , all stuff in pockets, through the machine and if I ever get picked out to have a pat down, just ask they don't tickle.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 19, 2011 8:00:14 GMT -5
clever, take a negative, make a positive out of it. Rolls reversed, Dems would get a kick out of it, but bet most pubs....Naaaaa. Just a thought, not important.
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Post by bubblyandblue on May 19, 2011 8:03:11 GMT -5
When I go through the airport line and have been picked for pat down, I request a female (I am Male) to do the search - it makes for a very funny experience.
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Post by ugonow on May 19, 2011 8:03:51 GMT -5
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Post by deziloooooo on May 19, 2011 8:06:29 GMT -5
Good question, and I don't know. However, my guess is that it will continue after Obama leaves office, maybe long after. The radical right is still trying to rewrite textbooks and I'm sure some will never give up trying to taint the first black president. Obama is the second black president. The Democrats pissed that one away when they gave the title to Bill Clinton. Oh, well... Here's the text from the incredibly racist speech Toni Morrison gave referring to Clinton as the first black president: African-American men seemed to understand it right away. Years ago, in the middle of the Whitewater investigation, one heard the first murmurs: white skin notwithstanding, this is our first black President. Blacker than any actual black person who could ever be elected in our children's lifetime. After all, Clinton displays almost every trope of blackness: single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald's-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas. And when virtually all the African-American Clinton appointees began, one by one, to disappear, when the President's body, his privacy, his unpoliced sexuality became the focus of the persecution, when he was metaphorically seized and bodysearched, who could gainsay these black men who knew whereof they spoke? The message was clear "No matter how smart you are, how hard you work, how much coin you earn for us, we will put you in your place or put you out of the place you have somehow, albeit with our permission, achieved. You will be fired from your job, sent away in disgrace, and--who knows?--maybe sentenced and jailed to boot. In short, unless you do as we say (i.e., assimilate at once), your expletives belong to us." ontology.buffalo.edu/smith/clinton/morrison.htmlWhat ever, but what is interesting, with all that transpired, he is one of the more populer Presidents that have ever held office, still called on from time to time to lend his expertise to advise and consult with by those who followed him as well as doing some real good work globaly for those who are really in need. To you Bill, Mr. President, or since I am on my second cup this AM how about a [No Donuts, Hillery will have my butt, sorry}
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Post by deziloooooo on May 19, 2011 8:15:23 GMT -5
When I go through the airport line and have been picked for pat down, I request a female (I am Male) to do the search - it makes for a very funny experience. I would be afraid that if I did, they would trot out one such, about 300 lbs who has it in for the male species , saving her for WA like me... "because, it never ceases to amaze me how some just can not understand how they could actually be wrong." Problem with that is , usually the topic and discussion is not that cut and dried, "you jump off a cliff you die, period, so stop", here both sides feel ""because, it never ceases to amaze me how some just can not understand how they could actually be wrong." Thus a different way to discuss is the way to go. IMHO
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Post by billisonboard on May 19, 2011 8:17:45 GMT -5
The message was clear "No matter how smart you are, how hard you work, how much coin you earn for us, we will put you in your place or put you out of the place you have somehow, albeit with our permission, achieved. You will be fired from your job, sent away in disgrace, and--who knows?--maybe sentenced and jailed to boot.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 19, 2011 13:47:46 GMT -5
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Post by bubblyandblue on May 19, 2011 14:02:41 GMT -5
Legal options. God, everything I do has legal options. I have a legal option to chew food I put in my mouth or spit it out. Legal options.... to be or not to be, that is the legal option. Well, while Farah masturbates... or ahh .... considers his "legal options" against Esquire - I'll reserve my potentialy slanderous opinion about his bereft personal affairs and withhold calling him a scum sucking coward.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 19, 2011 14:08:32 GMT -5
The Esquire story, written by Mark Warren, spread across the Internet moments after being posted on the magazine’s website Wednesday morning. Esquire has said it was a joke and Warren told TheDC he has no regrets about posting it. “He is an execrable piece of shit,” Warren said of Corsi. Joseph Farah, editor and chief executive officer of World Net Daily Books, which published Corsi’s work, said he never spoke to the magazine and that the book is “selling briskly.” dailycaller.com/2011/05/18/joseph-farah-says-he-may-sue-esquire-for-parody-story-on-jerome-corsi-book/#ixzz1MpKCnsxnMy my another sweet and lovely, highly professional liberal running scared. Don't need the book. Keep up with all that stuff already. Gonna buy the book though. ;D
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Post by ed1066 on May 19, 2011 14:17:03 GMT -5
Another liberal wish-fulfillment exercise, apparently, like the George W. Bush death film. Libs seem to have a strange propensity to create artificial, alternate versions of reality when real life fails to meet their naive expectations. I guess it's a form of immature escapism from real life and real responsibility...
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Post by magichat on May 19, 2011 14:19:40 GMT -5
Another liberal wish-fulfillment exercise, apparently, like the George W. Bush death film. Libs seem to have a strange propensity to create artificial, alternate versions of reality when real life fails to meet their naive expectations. I guess it's a form of immature escapism from real life and real responsibility... Good god, quite your bitching, everybody does that, while standing on your high horse you forget that it is human nature not some fantasy you have about liberals.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 19, 2011 14:23:15 GMT -5
Another liberal wish-fulfillment exercise, apparently, like the George W. Bush death film. Libs seem to have a strange propensity to create artificial, alternate versions of reality when real life fails to meet their naive expectations. I guess it's a form of immature escapism from real life and real responsibility... Good god, quite your bitching, everybody does that, while standing on your high horse you forget that it is human nature not some fantasy you have about liberals. Um, this was not good satire. It wasn't immediately evident to ANYONE- even our own Lakhota- that the story wasn't absolutely true. The author writes for ESQUIRE, not The Onion.
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Post by magichat on May 19, 2011 14:27:34 GMT -5
Good god, quite your bitching, everybody does that, while standing on your high horse you forget that it is human nature not some fantasy you have about liberals. Um, this was not good satire. It wasn't immediately evident to ANYONE- even our own Lakhota- that the story wasn't absolutely true. The author writes for ESQUIRE, not The Onion. Did I comment on the fucking satire, no I commented on the fantasy aspect of it.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 19, 2011 14:43:32 GMT -5
Um, this was not good satire. It wasn't immediately evident to ANYONE- even our own Lakhota- that the story wasn't absolutely true. The author writes for ESQUIRE, not The Onion. Did I comment on the fucking satire, no I commented on the fantasy aspect of it. Hey, maybe Dan Rather would still have a job today if he'd just been quick to claim the fake memos about George W. Bush being AWOL from the National Guard was "satire". Fantasy is one thing, Mr. hat. It's quite another for an alleged journalist to publish fantasy as news.
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