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Post by marshabar1 on May 16, 2011 21:01:17 GMT -5
When Mosab Yousef, the son of a prominent Hamas leader, converted to Christianity and wrote a book chronicling his years of clandestine collaboration with Israeli security forces, he became a sensation among pro-Israel Christians in his adoptive homeland of America.
But now, other former Palestinian terrorists-turned-Evangelical Christians are accusing Mosab of duping pro-Israel churches for his own personal profit or, worse, in order to negatively influence their view of the Jewish state.
Mosab's "tale has since been revealed to be a 'long con,' the evidence coming from when he speaks publicly in Arabic," charged Walid Shoebat, a former PLO terrorist who came to faith in Jesus in 1994, and has since been an ardent Christian Zionist.
In an op-ed published online earlier this month, Shoebat further explained that "Mosab did not convert to what the West would recognize as Christianity, but to a fiery, Palestinian brand of the faith that is vehemently anti-Israel."
Indeed, there is a growing trend among Evangelical Christians, both Palestinian and Western, to adopt what has been termed "Palestinian Liberation Theology." This teaching is actually Replacement Theology in a new guise, as it denies that modern Israel has anything to do with the Bible or biblical prophecy.
Shoebat believes Mosab Yousef, riding the popularity of his book "Son of Hamas," is trying to further advance this teaching among Evangelicals in America.
In a recent interview with the Arab satellite network Al-Arabiya, Mosab told Arabic viewers:
"During my tours in universities and even churches, the real support for Israel stems from the church in the West... Israel is the problem and as an occupation it needs to end. ...we will have our victory against Israel."
Despite his past service to Israel, Mosab "clearly hates Israel and has no understanding of the Biblical prophecies concerning same," Keith Davies, executive director of the Walid Shoebat Foundation, told Israel Today.
"We are doing our best to warn the church," continued Davies.www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/22789/Default.aspx
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2011 23:11:40 GMT -5
Look what I found.. thewestislamandsharia.blogspot.com/2011/05/walid-shoebat-mosab-yousef-saga-did.htmlWhile a prisoner of Israel in 1996, Mosab Hassan Yousef — the son of Sheik Hassan Yousef, a founding member of Hamas — was approached by Shin Bet agents who looked to recruit him to spy within Hamas. He agreed. Mosab’s information soon had Shin Bet calling him “the most reliable source in the Hamas leadership,” and Israeli lives were undoubtedly saved as a result of Mosab’s collaboration. Despite this success, Yousef has since revealed himself to be more double agent than turncoat. During the initial contact within Israel’s Maskubia (Jerusalem’s central prison), Mosab agreed to collaborate in exchange for Israel not targeting his father. After years of providing valuable intelligence, in 2007 Mosab declared his conversion to Christianity, moved to California, and went public with his story. His tale was a sensation, drawing attention and praise from U.S. pro-Israel organizations. But his tale has since been revealed to be a “long con,” the evidence coming from when he speaks publicly in Arabic. Mosab did not convert to what the West would recognize as Christianity, but to a fiery, Palestinian brand of the faith that is vehemently anti-Israel. MORE.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 17, 2011 14:32:55 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 14:38:42 GMT -5
I guess Methodists and the like look to this kind of guy as their guiding light? Messed up.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 14:39:46 GMT -5
Won't make MSM because it has to do with Christianity, and this would be the liberal type of Christian, so they will let it pass.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 17, 2011 14:42:14 GMT -5
Plus pro-Palestine.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 14:49:04 GMT -5
Hey-- did you see the video I posted a few minutes ago on your Syria thread? Go check out the antis disrupting a church service..
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 17, 2011 14:52:22 GMT -5
I guess Methodists and the like look to this kind of guy as their guiding light? Messed up. The Methodist denomination-- that is not speaking of every single individual Methodist-- was hijacked years ago and while still officially a Christian denomination, it has not, in practice, been a Christian church for decades.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 14:56:09 GMT -5
Yeah, Paul. I recently found that out while doing research for a post on this board.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 17, 2011 15:06:46 GMT -5
I am very pro-Israel. I don't have enough space in my mental trashcan for the Palestine myth. I'm sick to death of it. Palestinians are Arabs- mostly from Jordan, but also Syria, Egypt, etc. Palestine is no more a real place than El Dorado, or Atlantis. But you don't have to take my word for it:
What today is referred to as Palestine and the mix of Arab people who are referred to as Palestinians have no legitimate historical claim to the land, and especially Jerusalem. The first time the name was used was in 70 A.D. when the Romans committed genocide against the Jews, smashed the Temple and declared the land of Israel would be no more. From then on, the Romans promised, it would be known as Palestine. The name was derived from the Philistines, a Goliathian people conquered by the Jews centuries earlier. It was a way for the Romans to add insult to injury. They also tried to change the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina, but that had even less staying power.
Palestine has never existed -- before or since -- as an autonomous entity. It was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their homeland.
There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of 1 percent of the landmass.
But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today. Greed. Pride. Envy. Covetousness. No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough.
This has all been permitted to happen in order to fulfill prophecy. In fact, if Israel had never come into existence again in 1948, and if Israel should ever be wiped off the map again (it won't be), and if Jerusalem ever ceases to exist, or to be a "burdensome stone" for all the world-- then I will renounce my faith. Fact is, without Israel and the Jews being where they are-- I have absolutely NO reason to trust the Bible or believe anything in it is true. And of course as long as Israel exists, and there are Jews-- the muslim religion has a problem. The existence of Jews poses a direct condraction to the Koran. The possession of the Jews of the state of Israel challenges the 'truth' of the Koran.
This is the fundamental problem in the world today. And it is all going to come to a head -- probably sooner rather than later. I'm not talking about Armageddon- that is later. But we are spiraling towards the battle described in Ezekiel 38 right now. And if we aren't-- then again, I have no reason to believe what I believe.
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Post by ed1066 on May 17, 2011 17:58:53 GMT -5
I am very pro-Israel. I don't have enough space in my mental trashcan for the Palestine myth. I'm sick to death of it. Palestinians are Arabs- mostly from Jordan, but also Syria, Egypt, etc. Palestine is no more a real place than El Dorado, or Atlantis. But you don't have to take my word for it: What today is referred to as Palestine and the mix of Arab people who are referred to as Palestinians have no legitimate historical claim to the land, and especially Jerusalem. The first time the name was used was in 70 A.D. when the Romans committed genocide against the Jews, smashed the Temple and declared the land of Israel would be no more. From then on, the Romans promised, it would be known as Palestine. The name was derived from the Philistines, a Goliathian people conquered by the Jews centuries earlier. It was a way for the Romans to add insult to injury. They also tried to change the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina, but that had even less staying power. Palestine has never existed -- before or since -- as an autonomous entity. It was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their homeland. There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of 1 percent of the landmass. But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today. Greed. Pride. Envy. Covetousness. No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough. This has all been permitted to happen in order to fulfill prophecy. In fact, if Israel had never come into existence again in 1948, and if Israel should ever be wiped off the map again (it won't be), and if Jerusalem ever ceases to exist, or to be a "burdensome stone" for all the world-- then I will renounce my faith. Fact is, without Israel and the Jews being where they are-- I have absolutely NO reason to trust the Bible or believe anything in it is true. And of course as long as Israel exists, and there are Jews-- the muslim religion has a problem. The existence of Jews poses a direct condraction to the Koran. The possession of the Jews of the state of Israel challenges the 'truth' of the Koran. This is the fundamental problem in the world today. And it is all going to come to a head -- probably sooner rather than later. I'm not talking about Armageddon- that is later. But we are spiraling towards the battle described in Ezekiel 38 right now. And if we aren't-- then again, I have no reason to believe what I believe. Best post I've read in a month!
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2011 18:04:44 GMT -5
Very good, Paul.
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