Hitler a socialist? Pure ignorance, AGAIN!

[hello fromWarsaw]

GOP Will Find Socialist Tendencies in Tea Party Hard to Overcome

Vicki Nikolaidis Vicki Nikolaidis – Thu Apr 28, 5:02 pm ET
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COMMENTARY | "Those people who insist that Hitler was a socialist show their ignorance about Nazi Germany. During the first half of the 20th Century, socialism had many meanings. When Hitler talked about Nazi socialism, he was describing the average German's supposed social responsibilities to the State. Real socialists- social progressives- were usually sent to the concentration camps." Author Jonathan Maxwell, Murderous Intellectuals: Nazis and the German Elite (personal correspondence April 13)

I heard on the radio a host list several components of fascism, including tyranny, government laws are more important than the individual, glorification of the nation, no dissent allowed, racism and intolerance. So I paused to listen. To my shock, not a minute later the host labeled this list of traits as "socialism."

This is no joke. I asked the editor of Progressive Populist, Jim Cullen, "How can people be confused by such an obvious twisting of the literal meaning of fascism?"

He explained that "Because the German Nazi's of WWII titled their party 'National Socialist German Worker's Party' too many people are saying that proves the Nazis were socialists."

Fascism arose during the 1920s partly out of fear of the rising power of the working classes.

Fascism, a political movement, started in Italy where Mussolini became powerful by using fear, nationalism and, as Mussolini himself said, "corporate control of the state."

Socialism is an economic design so a farmers' cooperative (co-op members run and control their products) exists in the same Midwestern state as ADM (an agribusiness corporation).

Socialism views individuals as equal while fascism encourages racism (teaming people against "the other" in fear).

Two examples of successful, popular government benefits designed on the socialist template are Medicaid and Medicare. Yahoo! News reports "Seventy percent of self-identified tea partiers oppose cuts to Medicaid and Medicare as a way to help repair the federal budget, according to a McClatchy-Marist poll released this week."

Here is an interesting contradiction inside the Tea Party and a hard political reality for the GOP as it tries to meet the proclaimed goal of eliminating government entitlements.

The result of this poll, as well as the fact that the government is funded by tax payers' money (taxes which honest working people have paid for decades in their lifetime), are proving to be a darkening, hovering obstacle for the GOP and its backers.

(yahoo news- google it...) this is the whole article on YN)

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Ahh, but if some were to recognize Fascism and National Socialism as right-wing Totalitarianism, they'd have to give up all the mileage they're trying to gain on that ridiculous premise. It appears they still think it's going to work, so they're going to ride that horse right into the ground.

[workpublic]

so stalin, communist or fascist? roosevelt?

how was nazism "sold" to the german people?

[hello fromWarsaw]

Bless em, they just keep digging

[workpublic]

won't answer? thanks for the blessing.

[hello fromWarsaw]

Stalin, communist economically, totalitarian politically. Fascism connotes a totalitarian partnership between corporations and politics, which is why rich elitist racist Pubs are scarey close...

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Fascism connotes a totalitarian partnership between corporations and politics, which is why rich elitist racist Pubs are scarey close...

Wow Warsaw you left out the part about Republicans killing babies.

Just wondering (because it sound like it) are you located in Warsaw? Most of the stuff you post & say sounds like you are from that area of the world.

[hello fromWarsaw]

the political spectrum, left to right, goes commie-socialist-lib-center- conservative-fascist- and there are 8 Warsaws in the USA fcs ;D

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Hatred of the Jews was more of a "social issue" for the National Socialist German Workers Party, their economic platform was state capitalism / socialism. This is a fact, the denial of which is the real sign of ignorance.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

1.We want all Germans to live in a "Greater Germany" [2]
2.We want Germany to be treated the same as other nations, and we want the peace treaties of Versailles and Saint-Germain to be cancelled.
3.We want land and territory (colonies) to feed our people and to settle our surplus population.
4.Only Germans may be citizens of the Germany. Only those of the German races may be members of the nation, their religion does not matter. No Jew may be a citizen[3].
5.Non-citizens may live in Germany, but there will be special laws for foreigners living in Germany[4].
6.Only citizens can vote for parliament and councils, or vote on laws. Everyone who works for the German government, a state government or even a small village must be a citizen of Germany. We will stop giving people jobs because of the political party they are in, only the best people should get a job.
7.We think that the government's first job is to make sure every citizen has a job and enough to eat. If the government cannot do this, people who are not citizens should be made to leave Germany.
8.No-one who is not of a German-race should be allowed to live in Germany. We want anyone who is not of a German-race who started living in Germany after 2 August 1914 to leave the country.
9.All citizens shall have equal rights and duties.
10.Every citizen should have a job. Their work should not be selfish, but help everyone. Therefore we say
11.No one should live off money from rents or other income unless they have worked for that money
12.So many people die or loose their property in a war, it is wrong for other people to make money from the war. Anyone who made money from the war should have all that money taken away.
13.We want all very big corporations to be owned by the government.
14.Big industrial companies should share their profits with the workers.
15.We want old age pensions to be paid.
16.We want to create a middle class
to split up big department stores, and let small traders rent space inside them
to make State and town governments try to buy from small traders.

17.We want to change the way land is owned. We also want a law to take over land if the country needs it, without the government having to pay for it;
to abolish ground rent; and
to prohibit land speculation (buying land just to sell to someone else for more money).

18.Crimes against the common interest must be punished with death.
19.We want the Roman Law system changed for the German common law system.
20.We want to change the system of schools and education, so that every hard-working German can have the chance of higher education. What is taught should concentrate on practical things
Schools should teach civic affairs, so that children can become good citizens
If poor parent cannot afford to pay the government should pay for education.

21.The State must protect health standards by protecting mothers and infants
stopping children from working
making a law for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and
supporting sports clubs for young men.

22.We want to get rid of the old army and replace it with a people's army that would look after the ordinary people, not just the rich officer-class
23.We want the law to stop politicians from being anti-German, and newspapers from writing about them. To make a German national press we demand: that all editors of, and writers in the German language newspapers are members of the nation (of a German race);
Foreign newspapers need permission from the government. They must not be printed in the German language;
Non-Germans cannot own or control German newspapers. any non German who does own or control a newspaper will be made to leave Germany, and the newspaper closed down,

Newspapers which criticise the country or the government are not allowed.
Art, books and which support foreign ideas, should be banned.

24.We want to allow all religions in the State, unless they offend the moral feelings of the German race. The NSDAP is Christian, but does not belong to any denomination. The NSDAP will fight the Jewish self-interest spirit, and believes that our nation will be strongest only if everyone puts the common interest before self-interest.
25.We will create of a strong central government for the Reich;
give Parliament control over the entire government and its organizations;
form groups based on class and job to carry out the laws in the various German states.


The leaders of the Party promise to work—if need be to sacrifice their very lives—to put this programme into action.

[hello fromWarsaw]

My 1960 World Book Encyclopedia (the bible ;D) says socialism is always democratic.
Hitler did get everyone working (socialist in a way, but NOT)- it was all for military aims and the only way he could pay for it was to have a war of conquest.