AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 13, 2011 9:01:59 GMT -5
So much for the Obama promise that if you like your plan, you can keep it. [glow=red,2,300]90% of American Medical Group Association providers will NOT PARTICIPATE[/glow] hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_HEALTH_CARE_SETBACK?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-05-11-16-10-25The American Medical Group Association represents 400 of the largest medical groups in America-- it includes Cleveland Clinic, and the Mayo Clinic-- have said President Barack Obama's main idea for getting quality health care at less cost was in jeopardy Wednesday because the administration's initial blueprint so complex it's unworkable. Of course, that's by design. The President LIED when he said if you like your plan you can keep it. He was telling the TRUTH when he said that his long term plan was to get top-down, command-and-control, state-run healthcare. And he did say that was his objective. I'm not going to bother posting the video again, if you'd like to find it-- Google, "Obama in his own words healthcare". Obama's PLAN is to BANKRUPT private healthcare so we are FORCED into his vision of a top-down, command-and-control, one-size-fits-all, state-controlled healthcare regime. It's a risky scheme that takes away the care that 1 in 3 Americans rely on and will eventually replace it after the carefully planned and designed "outrage" which Democrats and Obama will blame on greedy private health providers.
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Post by EVT1 on May 13, 2011 9:32:53 GMT -5
Do you read your links? Do you understand what you read? This article has nothing to do with health plans- though you purposefully try and equate them with the medical groups in the article. 1) This article is about a voluntary provision in the reform law 2)that has not been implemented yet/still being debated 3) which concerns Medicare patients. Sell your BS somewhere else.
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Post by jkapp on May 13, 2011 10:27:20 GMT -5
From the article: Many in the health care industry were silent partners backing Obama's overhaul law, but disappointment over the accountable care rules has put a chill into the relationship. During the congressional debate, Obama extolled Mayo and Geisinger, holding them up as a model of what he wanted to achieve for the nation. Industry criticism of his administration's proposal has been building up for weeks in online forums. "This has all the hallmarks of a party that nobody comes to, unless there is a serious rethinking," said former Medicare administrator Gail Wilensky, who ran the agency under President George H.W. Bush. Wilensky said the idea of coordinating care isn't the problem, but "it sounds like (the administration) really overshot the mark." The regulations are "overly prescriptive, operationally burdensome, and the incentives are too difficult to achieve to make this voluntary program attractive," the medical group association said in its letter. One of the major problems seems to be that medical groups have little experience in managing insurance risk, and the administration blueprint rapidly exposes them to potential financial losses. Yep that sounds like government at work all right...
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Post by chiver78 on May 13, 2011 10:36:36 GMT -5
Do you read your links? Do you understand what you read? This article has nothing to do with health plans- though you purposefully try and equate them with the medical groups in the article. 1) This article is about a voluntary provision in the reform law 2)that has not been implemented yet/still being debated 3) which concerns Medicare patients. Sell your BS somewhere else.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2011 10:47:58 GMT -5
Correct. Don't know who all the people in white coats were that he lined up for photo ops to pass this monster, but the real docs say it will NOT work. But, hey, who are THEY?? Just the top medical professionals in the country. Why should we listen to them over Obama and Nanny Pelosi?
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Post by ty on May 13, 2011 10:51:11 GMT -5
Who cares. According to the religious nuts in America, we only have 8 days left until the Rapture. Now where the hell is my bubble-yum? blocked due to malware/_CGdbWRAh_KI/S7THo7DHzpI/AAAAAAAABag/i3lV4nmZRSE/s1600/bubble.jpg[/img] It's getting hot in here.
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Post by handyman2 on May 13, 2011 10:58:46 GMT -5
Actually the healthcare plans and the requirements required by healthcare providors do go hand in hand. If one does not work then neither will the other. You can have all the plans you want but if it is not workable with the providors then none of it is workable. A simple example is the medicaid issue. Already providors are opting out of taking those on medicaid in bunches. The same will hold true on other plans.
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Post by EVT1 on May 13, 2011 11:01:20 GMT -5
Typical PBP drive-by posting. Make some outlandish claim, post some unrelated link and twist it, abandon thread.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2011 11:03:48 GMT -5
Then all the good docs will go away, and in short time our medical care will be provided by Obama zombies from socially engineered colleges and medical schools. They should call it Zombiecare.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 13, 2011 11:15:21 GMT -5
Do you read your links? Do you understand what you read? This article has nothing to do with health plans- though you purposefully try and equate them with the medical groups in the article. 1) This article is about a voluntary provision in the reform law 2)that has not been implemented yet/still being debated 3) which concerns Medicare patients. Sell your BS somewhere else. I read the article, and as a fully informed citizen I understand that there will be some pretense of "listening to the industry" before they violate us without the benefit of lubrication. It's voluntary- but you're not paying attention: It's the KEY provision that's supposed to drive down costs, and 90% of group health providers including the Cleveland Clinic, and the Mayo Clinic-- groups responsible for the healthcare of 1 in 3 Americans-- are not going to participate. Why don't YOU read it?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 13, 2011 11:17:40 GMT -5
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Post by EVT1 on May 13, 2011 11:25:30 GMT -5
Read it again you still don't understand it. Please explain how you came to the conclusion that 1 out of 3 people in the article will lose their health care based on the information in the article. I gotta hear this.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 13, 2011 11:29:23 GMT -5
Re-read the OP. The groups that will not be participating in ObamaCare provide care to 1 in 3 Americans. Their concern is:
"The medical groups say they are worried they will be left holding the bag for losses, that the government has designed things so there is no easy way to tell which patients are part of the program, and that there's no reliable way to adjust for patients who are sicker and require closer follow-up and more expensive treatments."
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2011 11:39:15 GMT -5
Paul-- they don't get it. They think just because people have Obamacare they will be able to get medical care. Not true. Insurance without MDs is worthless. Go, Obamacare.
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Post by pepper112765 on May 13, 2011 11:50:50 GMT -5
Well, I will say this, before President Obama was in office, certain of my providers, no longer took my insurance because to them it was cost prohibitive, however they were willing to lower the rates for office visits for those patients that wanted to continue to use that practice. I have CareFirst BC/BS PPO. There have always been certain providers that do not take specific types of insurance for whatever reason. I have a couple of providers that do not take insurance at all.
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Post by pepper112765 on May 13, 2011 11:54:08 GMT -5
Read it again you still don't understand it. Please explain how you came to the conclusion that 1 out of 3 people in the article will lose their health care based on the information in the article. I gotta hear this. Maybe the statement should be the providers will lose 1 out of 3 patients, because they do not want to participate in "Obamacare."
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Post by EVT1 on May 13, 2011 12:00:05 GMT -5
Seriously, go back to school and take some reading comprehension courses or something.
Not one place in the article did it say these groups are not going to be participating in 'obamacare'.
Our cabbie is too far gone to bring back. The flip side of yours: MD's without insurance are out of business.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2011 12:15:58 GMT -5
SO, EVT-- because one of the jobs I have had in my life was cab driving, I am incapable of stringing thoughts together intelligently??
WOW-- wish I was you. You rock!!
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2011 12:18:00 GMT -5
There is one general practitioner and two chiropractors in my area that do not handle insurance. Without having to pay employee's to do the billing, their rates are close to half of their insurance handling counterparts. Is this an answer to lower rates? You can still bill the insurance company yourself, like years ago, for the more major Items. Just a thought, not trying to hijack the thread.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2011 12:32:33 GMT -5
No such thing as hijacking a thread with the new duplicate thread rules, jma. I just throw my links and ideas in open threads. Problem is so many people, like me, don't have the money to pay docs and wait for money from insurance companies. Not that many people can afford that. I think those docs, and I applaud them for their stance against HMOs, whatever, are going to go down under Obamacare. That is the plan. Gov't drone doctors.
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Post by EVT1 on May 13, 2011 14:08:10 GMT -5
SO, EVT-- because one of the jobs I have had in my life was cab driving, I am incapable of stringing thoughts together intelligently?? WOW-- wish I was you. You rock!! Has nothing to do with your job/ex job- except maybe you hear to much talk radio on the job- you just stated that insurance plans were useless without providers and I stated the converse. Then again cab drivers are crazy- the last one I rode with here played his guitar and sang at red lights. How about reading the link posted and tell us your interpretation of it? Not participating in a voluntary cost saving scheme that seems like it is too complicated is once thing- and even that hasn't happened yet, not providing health care is quite another. Not only that, it is only concerned with Medicare patients. The OP just saw what they wanted to see and ran with it- happens a lot around here.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2011 14:12:23 GMT -5
WRONG again, evt. I responded to this a few days ago. If you think I am too stupid and crazy to talk to please skip my posts. That would be the smart thing for any highly intelligent and enlightened one to do, correct?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 13, 2011 14:13:49 GMT -5
I've offered my explanation. The largest association of group health care providers in the country are not going to participate in the ObamaCare scheme. This will leave people who can't pay cash without care because they are not participating in the ObamaCare scheme.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2011 14:51:20 GMT -5
Correct, Paul. Which will lead to Zombiecare.
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Post by EVT1 on May 13, 2011 14:55:35 GMT -5
Well you two can commiserate about Obamacare and how a third of us are going to lose health care all you want, and I'll stick to the real world.
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Post by lakhota on May 13, 2011 16:00:41 GMT -5
Another deceptive misleading thread.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2011 16:30:22 GMT -5
So weird how people think Pubs want people to die... so totally backwards.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 13, 2011 18:45:40 GMT -5
So weird how people think Pubs want people to die... so totally backwards. It's projection. They SAY it's what we want, then as it turns out-- it's what they DO. Democrats kill babies, democrats want old people to have a "choice", too. Democrats kill everything that moves as long as it's not a snail darter, or an owl (unless they are chopped up by a windmill-- then it's a 'green' slaughter so it's OK). Democrats are the ones worried about population control, their environmental policies kill-- just look at the DDT ban and what that's done for the developing world, especially Africa.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 13, 2011 18:47:48 GMT -5
Correct, Paul. Which will lead to Zombiecare. I guess we have to stick to landlording and cab driving. We can't possibly know how to read, and form opinions on anything else. I'm used to this. It's standard liberal retort: I'm losing this argument, so I will now unilaterally declare without any supporting evidence that you are not qualified to argue with me. Whatevs. Time for a beer.
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Post by formerexpat on May 13, 2011 21:36:18 GMT -5
The new law does nothing to fix the issues in the industry but does drive up costs. The Dems will use the increase in costs to further place its grasp on more of the market [they're already involved in over 50%].
The good news for the top 15% is that we'll be okay because we'll have buy up plans that cover us for more. The rest of the people, well - you're kind of screwed.
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