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Post by dividend on May 13, 2011 8:40:41 GMT -5
I saw this article on Facebook yesterday: www.racialicious.com/2011/05/12/if-you-havent-been-on-food-stamps-stop-trying-to-influence-government-policyAnd of course, I got suckered into an e-argument when I said that I think it's ridiculous for people who get free money to buy food to try to complain that they might not be able to buy whatever they want with that money, because it's free food they wouldn't have otherwise. I got accused of variously not wanting poor people to be able to have a cake on their child's birthday, of believing that all poor people are poor because they're lazy, and of thinking that restricting poor people's food choices will solve the problem of generational poverty. My friend made the point that, if she were in line at the grocery store behind a single mother trying to buy a birthday cake for her son with her EBT card as her only means of payment the day before her payday, "I will never be the person in line telling a mother she can't buy her child a birthday cake." I don't even know what to say to that, because she doesn't seem to realize there's a difference between telling a single mother she can't buy a birthday cake, and not allowing cake and candy to be purchased with taxpayer money. I just think it's ridiculous to say that if you've never been on foodstamps, and you don't know what it's like, then shut up. Seems like the ultimate extension of that logic would be the blind leading the blind. But maybe that's just me.
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Post by alabamagal on May 13, 2011 8:48:48 GMT -5
Are prepard cakes allowed? I thought prepared food was not allowed, in my state anyway.
I would have no problem with a food stamp recipient buying a cake mix and frosting (maybe $3 total). $1 more for decorations. Candles probably not allowed, would have to pay that $1 out of pocket.
My parents were on food stamps a few times when I was growing up, so I qualify to judge others!
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Post by Gardening Grandma on May 13, 2011 8:58:15 GMT -5
Having once been on food stamps, I refuse to sit in judgement. I have better things to do with my time.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2011 9:05:48 GMT -5
Having once been on food stamps, I refuse to sit in judgement. I have better things to do with my time. good for you. ![](http://us.social.s-msn.com/s/images/emoticons/thumbs_up.gif)
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 13, 2011 9:07:15 GMT -5
Are prepard cakes allowed? I thought prepared food was not allowed, in my state anyway.
Last week while at the grocery store, I noticed a sticker on the fried/roasted chicken at the deli counter that said that it could be purchased by the EBT cards. So I guess some prepared food is allowed - at least in KY.
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Post by bean29 on May 13, 2011 9:11:02 GMT -5
Well those cakes you buy in the grocery store are incredibly expensive. You are looking at least $20.00. As someone mentioned if you buy a cake mix and premade frosting you are talking about $3.00.
When I was a kid a cake mix was the standard birthday cake.
DH and I usually purchase the cakes ready made at Sam's club, but this year my 14 yo DD did not get a cake. We went out to dinner. She got the gift she asked for. She asked for a Dairy Queen cake, and I have no freezer room right now, so I figured we would stop for the cake on our way home from dinner. We were all full and it was late, so we decided to skip it. It has almost been a month and DD has not even mentioned that she didn't get a cake.
Personally I don't think there are near enough limits on the food stamp cards. Fraud is rampant...but the biggest problems are not what people are buying with the cards, it is that people are getting them that don't qualify and that people that do get them can "sell" them for a fraction of the value and then report them lost and get them replaced. Our local paper did an article on it recently and some people lose their cards every month.
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Post by bean29 on May 13, 2011 9:18:29 GMT -5
Here's the link: www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/120550974.htmlLast year, nearly 2,000 FoodShare recipients reported losing their Quest card six or more times, according to new data obtained by the newspaper from the state Department of Health Services. Sixty recipients had the cards replaced 12 or more times in 2010 - meaning they averaged a lost card or more every month, the data show. • The average number of FoodShare recipients doubled to nearly 800,000 from 2006 to 2010, according to the Legislative Audit Bureau. Over that same period, the annual benefits paid out in Wisconsin nearly tripled to $1 billion in federal money • State and federal funding to counties for detecting fraud in programs, including FoodShare, fell from $1.8 million a year in 2008 to less than $200,000 in 2010. Funding was increased back to $750,000 this year. • As funding for fraud investigations dropped, detection of overpayments due to outright fraud or mistakes by recipients fell sharply. The number of fraud cases uncovered dropped to 36 last year from 95 in 2008. Cases of client error - considered mistakes, not fraud - dropped from $2.4 million to $1.4 million over the same period. • Cases of cards being lost multiple times are found around the state, but Milwaukee County has a disproportionate share of them, according to state data. Milwaukee County has about a third of the FoodShare households, but it accounts for more than half of the cases in which cards are reported lost multiple times. Regulators, who promptly replace cards reported as lost or stolen but rarely investigate those claims closely, note that FoodShare participants include some of the most vulnerable residents of the state who live chaotic lives that may cause them to frequently lose their cards. The federal government requires the cards to be replaced promptly. State officials, who run program enrollment in Milwaukee County, examine some lost card claims and say there are legitimate reasons for most of them, such as recipients who are homeless or have mental illnesses, said Ed Kamin, chief executive officer of the state-run Milwaukee Enrollment Services. In some cases, losing one card can lead to two or even more replacement cards being sent, since recipients often receive a temporary card first and then a permanent replacement, Kamin said.
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Post by bean29 on May 13, 2011 9:20:00 GMT -5
www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/119794529.htmlFood stamp fraud is not all about participants either: Nine workers for Milwaukee County are suspected of running a food stamp fraud ring from at least 2005 through late 2010, scamming hundreds of thousands of dollars in benefits for themselves in the process, a state official confirmed Wednesday
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Post by Frugal Nurse on May 13, 2011 9:21:30 GMT -5
I agree that food stamps should be for survival food- not junk. And certainly not bakery-prepared cakes! Even if cake mix weren't allowed, I bet flour, sugar, baking powder, oil, eggs, butter, powdered sugar, vanilla, and cocoa are allowed. You can make your own cake and icing without a mix- and it tastes a lot better too!
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Post by jkapp on May 13, 2011 9:21:58 GMT -5
The biggest problem I have with food stamps/EBT is that I see them using the food stamps for food but then breaking out a wad of money to buy their $40 carton of cigarettes (or however much they cost these day).
If they have that kind of money for cigarettes then they can use it for food! Why should taxpayers be subsidizing their addictions?
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Post by dz on May 13, 2011 9:29:44 GMT -5
I honestly do support food stamps and WIC. There really are people in this country to depend on these things to make ends meet. However, there are so many people that ruin it. I was behind a woman in Publix the other day who had three seperate transactions. (I always get in the wrong line!! ). The first one had some cereal and fruit, which she paid with her WIC vouchers. The next transaction went badly. She had something that she wanted to buy that was not on her WIC voucher. The computer system would not accept the transaction, and the cashier was perfectly nice and explained that she could not buy that thing with this voucher. In return, the cashier was cursed at, yelled at, and called all kinds of names. A manager was called over, etc. Eventually the lady realized she would not be getting the thing she wanted (some kind of milk i think), so she decided she wouldn't get it after all and completed that transaction. So the third transaction she paid for with her own cash. That transaction included chips, the deli fudge (that is like $5 for a container), magazines, some sour candy worms, and some other various junk foods. She did not end up getting the milk since it wasn't on her voucher, but she had the cash to pay for the junk food? That's what made me angry. And that she was so ugly to the cashier for something out of her control. Besides, that cashier is paying taxes that are going into the WIC program, so essentially that cashier is helping you buy your food!! It's just a shame that a good program can be ruined by selfish people. And that's my rant.
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Post by Firebird on May 13, 2011 10:52:33 GMT -5
This article is a joke. It has to be. Please?
I used to live with a woman who got foodstamps for herself and her daughter. She used them to buy fresh produce, healthy grains - good stuff, the kind of thing we like to see people on EBT buying. She and her girl ate great, because she was frugal and careful with her purchases.
Nothing pissed her off more than seeing people buying Doritos and soda with their foodstamps.
By the way, she and the kid were also beanpole thin. Part of that was genetics, but part of it was that they DIDN'T EAT CRAP.
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Post by Firebird on May 13, 2011 10:57:37 GMT -5
I got accused of variously not wanting poor people to be able to have a cake on their child's birthday, of believing that all poor people are poor because they're lazy, and of thinking that restricting poor people's food choices will solve the problem of generational poverty.
Perhaps you should save your own money for a cake on your kid's birthday if it's that important to you, knowing that EBT won't cover it - I KNOW, CRAZY TALK;
Many poor people ARE poor because they're lazy, so arguing that some aren't kinda glosses over the major part of the issue;
No, it won't solve the problem of generational poverty but it will solve other problems, including (perhaps) cutting the entitlement mentality a bit.
I wouldn't have minded being accused of these things.
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Post by Firebird on May 13, 2011 10:59:08 GMT -5
I would have no problem with a food stamp recipient buying a cake mix and frosting (maybe $3 total). $1 more for decorations. Candles probably not allowed, would have to pay that $1 out of pocket.That works too. Oh but everyone DESERVES a prepared cake for their kid's birthday. ![](http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff155/JiminiChristmas/smileys/8.gif)
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 13, 2011 11:01:49 GMT -5
I've been surprised at how many fast food chains are now able to accept EBT cards around here. I cannot say I blame them for it, they are a business cashing in on new customers, they don't give a shit about my health, but have you seen how much fast food costs lately? ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png)
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Post by Firebird on May 13, 2011 11:06:31 GMT -5
I've been surprised at how many fast food chains are now able to accept EBT cards around here. I cannot say I blame them for it, they are a business cashing in on new customers, but have you seen how much fast food costs lately? It's still pretty cheap, I think - you can get a bagful of Burger King hamburgers for $5. French fries cost more, and so does soda. But in any event, that $5 could be used to buy a sack of potatoes and a bag of rice. These levels of rant are too high for a Friday morning!!! I'm going to go start a fluffy thread.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 13, 2011 11:11:08 GMT -5
It's still pretty cheap, I think - you can get a bagful of Burger King hamburgers for $5. French fries cost more, and so does sodaThat's true. I like me a Big Mac once and awhile, but I find the idea of pissing away money on fast food a lot more painful than I do the grocery store. The grocery store still hurts though. I'd really like to see where you can get boxed cake mix for a $1 or less. On sale it was $2.89 last time I went to the store! ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) Yes I know I can use coupons, so don't remind me. I was referring to what the unit price was for cake mix last time I looked. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by tskeeter on May 13, 2011 11:11:31 GMT -5
My perspective is this. Food stamps, WIC, etc. are funded by taxes. I am a taxpayer. When you use food stamps, etc., you are spending my money. Since you're spending my money, I am entitled to render judgment about what you are doing with my money. Don't like my judgmental attitude? Quit spending my money!
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Post by Firebird on May 13, 2011 11:14:50 GMT -5
My perspective is this. Food stamps, WIC, etc. are funded by taxes. I am a taxpayer. When you use food stamps, etc., you are spending my money. Since you're spending my money, I am entitled to render judgment about what you are doing with my money. Don't like my judgmental attitude? Quit spending my money!
Really not sure what part of this is beyond so many people's comprehension.
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Post by Frugal Nurse on May 13, 2011 11:15:20 GMT -5
Ahh.. food stamps. The topic that everyone loves to hate. I also read a message board for women, and there is a big debate on there wit ha thread titled "So what ARE poor people allowed to have?" and the Op of that one is complaining that she can't get food stamps, doesn't eat lunch because she can't afford the food, but then bragged about how she won't give up her iphone, her internet, and she went and spent $4 on snow cones over the weekend because she deserved a treat. My response was that $4 could have bought bread, bologna, and mustard and she could've eaten lunch for a week and a half. I also pointed out that her internet bill would more than cover a week's worth of food for her family if they ate simply, like rice, beans, eggs, bread, etc. I stated that to answer her question, poor people are allowed to have what everyone else is allowed to have- anything they can afford without assistance.
I got jumped all over for being unreasonable, for being holier than thou, for thinking that someone could live a depressing life and never get a treat, not even a snow cone.
I finished my argument on that one by simply stating that there is something to the whole "survival of the fittest' theory. The fittest understand that the $4 (or the $20 for a cake) would've bought enough food to keep from going hungry.
I think once people fall into the "I am poor" mentality, they have a hard time believing that by making small sacrifices they can dig their way out. Everyone around them is poor, everything they ever hear is how hard life is, and it is easy to be a sheep and fall in that line.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 13, 2011 11:18:52 GMT -5
Frugal I think it is more everyone else around them is living like them so why should they change? Look at Doxie's thread, she's come on time and time again saying "My co-workers drive SUVs" "My co-workes can't afford daycare and rely on their parents" "My co-workers kids have cell phones". Doesn't mean that YOU have to have all those things too! She doesn't seem to see it that way though. ![](http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff155/JiminiChristmas/smileys/8.gif) I don't know if that is a keeping up with the joneses type thing or if that is a reinforcement type of of thing where you believe X and you surround yourself with others who believe X therfore X is right and Y cannot possibly work.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on May 13, 2011 11:20:33 GMT -5
It's still pretty cheap, I think - you can get a bagful of Burger King hamburgers for $5. French fries cost more, and so does sodaThat's true. I like me a Big Mac once and awhile, but I find the idea of pissing away money on fast food a lot more painful than I do the grocery store. The grocery store still hurts though. I'd really like to see where you can get boxed cake mix for a $1 or less. On sale it was $2.89 last time I went to the store! ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) Yes I know I can use coupons, so don't remind me. I was referring to what the unit price was for cake mix last time I looked. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) Yeah I bought a box of cake mix a few weeks ago to make mini-cupcakes for DD to take to dcp. I think it was $2+. I didn't buy frosting because my plan was the powdered sugar/milk kind. I looked at pink decorating frosting and it was $4+ for that. ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) I admit, the powdered sugar frosting didn't work/look like I wanted but it did the job... I didn't feel like making the cupcakes from scratch but it would have cost a lot more to buy the missing ingredients (that my pantry didn't have) than to buy the box mix.
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Post by Frugal Nurse on May 13, 2011 11:22:46 GMT -5
It's still pretty cheap, I think - you can get a bagful of Burger King hamburgers for $5. French fries cost more, and so does sodaThat's true. I like me a Big Mac once and awhile, but I find the idea of pissing away money on fast food a lot more painful than I do the grocery store. The grocery store still hurts though. I'd really like to see where you can get boxed cake mix for a $1 or less. On sale it was $2.89 last time I went to the store! ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) Yes I know I can use coupons, so don't remind me. I was referring to what the unit price was for cake mix last time I looked. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) They sell it at the dollar tree. Also, a lot of times store brands will go on sale for a dollar.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 13, 2011 11:23:41 GMT -5
I've made my own frosting a few times. While it tasted better and was "cheaper", I gotta admit that sticking a knife in a can is a lot easier than standing there with my puny handmixer beating the tar out of that stuff till it emulsfies into actual frosting. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) Butter prices led me to have a coniption. I need to get out my book of substiutions and see how you switch out butter for oil. I don't know if it is a 1:1 ratio or not and if I have to modify the recipe since I am replacing a solid fat with liquid. I can get canola oil and A LOT of it for less than what I'd have to pay for a pound of butter. I told DH those butter cows must be made of gold. ![>:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/angry.png)
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on May 13, 2011 11:28:17 GMT -5
I've made my own frosting a few times. While it tasted better and was "cheaper", I gotta admit that sticking a knife in a can is a lot easier than standing there with my puny handmixer beating the tar out of that stuff till it emulsfies into actual frosting. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) I miss the frosting from 25+ years ago. You could actually SPREAD it on graham crackers without them breaking. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png) Now, it's so thick and I don't like broken frosted graham crackers!
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Post by Firebird on May 13, 2011 11:41:50 GMT -5
I think once people fall into the "I am poor" mentality, they have a hard time believing that by making small sacrifices they can dig their way out. Everyone around them is poor, everything they ever hear is how hard life is, and it is easy to be a sheep and fall in that line. ![](http://forums.clubrsx.com/images/smilies/yeahthat.gif) It's kind of like trying to lose weight. Everyone wants that magic pill that will have them 20 pounds lighter by morning. No one (including me) wants to face the reality that it's a thousand small steps that gets a person from fat to not-fat.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 13, 2011 11:43:06 GMT -5
Everyone wants that magic pill that will have them 20 pounds lighter by morning. No one (including me) wants to face the reality that it's a thousand small steps that gets a person from fat to not-fat. Local radio show was talking about those pill commericals and how in the fine print at the bottom of the screen there are always the words "with diet and exercise" But yeah. .. it is totally the pill that made you look like Adonis. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by 973beachbum on May 13, 2011 11:43:08 GMT -5
I have a slightly different perspective. I used to volunteer at my DD's school to cook turkeys a couple of times a year to go to families that lived at the battered womens shelter. The kids all got served breakfast and lunch at school. The families did get food stamps also. The problem was actually two fold. Most of them didn't have a car of there own. As a result they mostly shopped a the quicky mart down the street instead of the grocery store. An hour trip, one way, just to get to a grocery store 7 miles away with one bag of groceries isn't exactly a bargain. Then when they get back their "apartment" isn't really a normal apartment. They were really motel rooms with a little cook top and a mini fridge and a microwave on the dresser. It actually sounds better than it was. The cook top was literally on top of the fridge. ![](http://boards.msn.com/Themes/default/emoticons/confused_smile.gif) Every time the burner was turned on it heated the fridge too. So all the residents just kept milk, cheese and mustard in the fridge and bought stuff that they could nuke for food. Otherwise they would use the stamps at the local fast food joint and eat it there. One kid said he like it better that way because at least they could sit together at a table like a family instead of sitting on the bed or eating at the bathroom sink.
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Post by chiver78 on May 13, 2011 11:45:42 GMT -5
Ahh.. food stamps. The topic that everyone loves to hate. I also read a message board for women, and there is a big debate on there wit ha thread titled "So what ARE poor people allowed to have?" and the Op of that one is complaining that she can't get food stamps, doesn't eat lunch because she can't afford the food, but then bragged about how she won't give up her iphone, her internet, and she went and spent $4 on snow cones over the weekend because she deserved a treat. My response was that $4 could have bought bread, bologna, and mustard and she could've eaten lunch for a week and a half. I also pointed out that her internet bill would more than cover a week's worth of food for her family if they ate simply, like rice, beans, eggs, bread, etc. I stated that to answer her question, poor people are allowed to have what everyone else is allowed to have- anything they can afford without assistance. I got jumped all over for being unreasonable, for being holier than thou, for thinking that someone could live a depressing life and never get a treat, not even a snow cone. I finished my argument on that one by simply stating that there is something to the whole "survival of the fittest' theory. The fittest understand that the $4 (or the $20 for a cake) would've bought enough food to keep from going hungry. I think once people fall into the "I am poor" mentality, they have a hard time believing that by making small sacrifices they can dig their way out. Everyone around them is poor, everything they ever hear is how hard life is, and it is easy to be a sheep and fall in that line. ![](http://us.social.s-msn.com/s/images/emoticons/thumbs_up.gif) I find myself at this tiny dive bar once a week for my volleyball league (sand courts out back). I went in to the bar for a drink before my game last week and walked in on the tail end of a conversation between a couple women aren't even there to play - as one woman put it "comparing welfare meals". one had said something about not even being able to afford mac 'n cheese unless it was store brand, while she ordered a $6 glass of wine. blue box is too pricey! ![](http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff155/JiminiChristmas/smileys/8.gif) I behaved myself. rather than point out the bar tab, I suggested that Kraft goes on sale from time to time, down to about 25 cents a box. when that happens, pick up a dozen boxes, put 'em in the back of your cabinet and forget about 'em until you don't have anything else left in the fridge. the two of them looked at me like I was the first person to tell them the sky was blue. wow. I got my drink and walked away.
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Post by Frugal Nurse on May 13, 2011 11:50:15 GMT -5
It really is as simple as this: People who are determined to survive and be self-sufficient will think outside the box and make it. People who are unwilling/scared/lazy/ or whatever will not change, will continue be poor, and will always complain that the "rich folks" (and anyone who isn't on food stamps must be rich) are just snooty know-it-alls. We see it all the time on these boards (like with CM, uhm, er, I mean Doxie)
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