Gingrich 2012

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

He's got my vote. He's the only candidate with a record of balancing the federal budget, reforming welfare, cutting taxes, and a lot more...

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Make sure he gets his ticket punched, first.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

www.newt.org

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 12, 2011 8:55:46 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Yeah, he'll never make it past the base.

He IS the base.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 12, 2011 8:49:11 GMT -5 Lady Gaga Gaga Snerd said:

Not me. I personally agree with him on many issues but way down the list of candidates i would choose.

Out of curiosity- can you name a couple of candidates ahead of Newt for you? Since he's WAY down the list?

[magichat]

May 12, 2011 8:47:57 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

He's got my vote. He's the only candidate with a record of balancing the federal budget, reforming welfare, cutting taxes, and a lot more...

The budget may have been balanced on paper but it wasn't balanced in reality.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

To me, Newt Gingrich is the only serious candidate in the race.

Huckabee has been a governor, but he is primarily a populist- not a conservative.

Romney will not say he was wrong, and he is sorry for Romney care, and it's too late to do so now. If he does so now, it will be the result of political pressure, and not from the heart. I don't want someone that has to be dragged kicking and screaming to admit state run healthcare is morally wrong, and doesn't work?

Palin couldn't finish one term. I like her- and I really like that she gives liberals fits, but she should have stayed and done her job. If she thinks she was a distraction in Alaska, I'd like to know why she doesn't think she would be a distraction in the White House, and how she would deal with the vehement opposition there?

I like Herman Cain, but I don't know how he'd actually execute-- we've seen Newt in action. He's got the record-- and nobody knows who he is.

Pawlenty has been a strong proponent of the Obama cap and tax energy scheme; he also used short term gimmicks to balance the budget in MN-- which is really his only claim to fame.

Rick Santorum would be alright- but again, it's the record.

On the substance, Newt has it. He isn't promising anything he hasn't done. His key positions haven't shifted over time- they've been honed.

I think he can explain his messy personal life well enough- and I think his recent conversion to Catholicism, and marriage puts some meat on the bones of "I messed up, and I have repented".

[magichat]

He was for the no fly zone before he was against it, it will kill him as much as is the flip flop John Kerry pulled.

[hello fromWarsaw]

Gingrich/ Bachmann 2012!! Obama 59% ;D
That would make us a MODERN country. Schumer Bill, recovery, Living Wage, Affordable Health Care, Parental leave, daycare, cheap college loans. No more penny wise, pound STUPID....

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 12, 2011 9:03:15 GMT -5 @magichat said:

He was for the no fly zone before he was against it, it will kill him as much as is the flip flop John Kerry pulled.

You have hit on Newt's biggest weakness. He is going to have to figure out how to boil his message down to two to three central points, stay on point, communicate clearly- which he always does, but CONCISELY-- as he hasn't done in the past.

He's a guy you have to actually LISTEN to-- and that's fine for the base, for intellectuals, and those who are curious and need to learn. But to win the independent voter- the "low information voter", he's going to have to find a way to communicate in bumper stickers and bullet points-- HOPE, CHANGE, and the discipline to stick to it (and having no record and being very careful not to create one) was what won for Obama.

Obama's biggest weakness now is that he has a record, and it's a bad one. Newt has a record, too. And it's a record to be proud of. The first time in all of our lifetimes when the federal budget was balanced was when Newt was speaker and Republicans controlled the House-- where ALL spending bills MUST originate-- for the first time in 42 years. It's one of the ONLY times in history the budget was balanced, so I think he needs to stay on spending, and largely avoid the temptation to give long professorial lectures on the history of oil drilling in America dating back to the East Texas oil boom...

I think when it comes to energy independence, he will have to avoid the temptation of giving a lesson in economics explaining that oil is a networked good, and the infrastructure challenges of any sustainable alternatives...

If he can stay disciplined, and stay on message-- he'll do well. If he goes into his lecture mode, voters eyes will glaze over.

[floridayankee]

May 12, 2011 9:09:38 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

But seriously, 3 wives, at least one nasty affair, telling one wife he was dumping her as she lay sick in the cancer ward......

Think he'll adopt a family values platform?

I will say that he is probably the most intelligent, well versed and knowledgeable candidate that you have right now. I'm not sure how his formidable legislative leadership skills would translate to executive leadership skills.

Considering the prior legislative skills of our current executive leader, I think the left would be best to avoid the whole "experience" argument on newt. It worked on Palin well...I'd imagine it would probably backfire in this case.

[magichat]

Good God Paul stop saying the budget was balanced, it's a lie and one I call our left leaning posters on all the time. Show me where the national debt stayed the same or went down.

www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo4.htm

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 12, 2011 9:23:11 GMT -5 @magichat said:

Good God Paul stop saying the budget was balanced, it's a lie and one I call our left leaning posters on all the time. Show me where the national debt stayed the same or went down.

www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo4.htm

That's a great question for him. One thing is for damn sure, we weren't borrowing $1.6 trillion a year.

I'd like to know why he claims the budget was balanced for four years if it wasn't?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 12, 2011 9:09:21 GMT -5 hello fromWarsaw said:

Gingrich/ Bachmann 2012!! Obama 59% ;D
That would make us a MODERN country. Schumer Bill, recovery, Living Wage, Affordable Health Care, Parental leave, daycare, cheap college loans. No more penny wise, pound STUPID....

Team Obama is getting desperate. I saw the AP poll of Obama at 60% approval yesterday. Then I saw the LIKELY VOTER poll done by the organization that called the last Presidential election DEAD ON and it had likely voters at 48% approval, 52% dissapprove.

[magichat]

May 12, 2011 9:30:05 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

May 12, 2011 9:23:11 GMT -5 @magichat said:

Good God Paul stop saying the budget was balanced, it's a lie and one I call our left leaning posters on all the time. Show me where the national debt stayed the same or went down.

www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo4.htm

That's a great question for him. One thing is for damn sure, we weren't borrowing $1.6 trillion a year.

I'd like to know why he claims the budget was balanced for four years if it wasn't?

Probably because Clinton did the same thing. I agree we were darn closed to balancing the budget. Much of it may have been the run up before the dot com crash or living on the backs of borrowing Americans outspending their income.

[floridayankee]

May 12, 2011 9:33:01 GMT -5 Lady Gaga Gaga Snerd said:

I don't have anyone at the top yet. I am going to have to wait until i hear more from the candidates before i decide. There are lots of potential people at this point and i would really like to hear from them.

So far, 128 people filed a Statement of Candidacy with the FEC to officially register as a 2012 presidential candidate.

Newt is still not on the list of official candidates....yet anyway.

ETA: FEC Link
fec.gov/press/press2011/presidential_form2nm.shtml

[henryclay]

Go ahead liberals. Write volumes of "what if's" if that's your thing. But my suspicion is that you're not so much concerned that Newt has this or that in his record.

Not at all.

What I suspect is that when the chips are down it will be Obama and Newt.

And we all know we have never seen Chicago thug politics played out for bigger stakes under the guidance of an unlimited finance mob of Chicago insiders like Obama has attached to himself. So the underlying threat is that Chicago politics is already at play. If you have a strong candidate, you start by going after something in their record completely unrelated to the job they seek. I believe it is foregone that Obama will not be fighting, (there's that word), for thre future of the country. Obama will be fighting to keep his job.

And in the end, Newt is clearly from Mississippi. His entire lifetime is an open book. Can anybody provide anything concrete about Obama that promotes confidence. Where he's from, perhaps?

But after all of that, I suspect the real fear is that it will come down to Obama or Newt a year and a half from now. And like Obama himself, the liberals will do or say anything to avoid that risk.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 12, 2011 9:33:01 GMT -5 Lady Gaga Gaga Snerd said:

I don't have anyone at the top yet. I am going to have to wait until i hear more from the candidates before i decide. There are lots of potential people at this point and i would really like to hear from them. I don't know anything about Cain. I have reservations about Romney and Huckabee. But, at this point, i don't even really know who is running and who is just feeling the waters.

Fair enough. I just thought since he was way down the list, a few names might pop into your head. I have been wishing Newt would run for a long time.

[magichat]

May 12, 2011 9:53:39 GMT -5 henryclay said:

Go ahead liberals. Write volumes of "what if's" if that's your thing. But my suspicion is that you're not so much concerned that Newt has this or that in his record.

Not at all.

What I suspect is that when the chips are down it will be Obama and Newt.

And we all know we have never seen Chicago thug politics played out for bigger stakes under the guidance of an unlimited finance mob of Chicago insiders like Obama has attached to himself. So the underlying threat is that Chicago politics is already at play. If you have a strong candidate, you start by going after something in their record completely unrelated to the job they seek. I believe it is foregone that Obama will not be fighting, (there's that word), for thre future of the country. Obama will be fighting to keep his job.

And in the end, Newt is clearly from Mississippi. His entire lifetime is an open book. Can anybody provide anything concrete about Obama that promotes confidence. Where he's from, perhaps?

But after all of that, I suspect the real fear is that it will come down to Obama or Newt a year and a half from now. And like Obama himself, the liberals will do or say anything to avoid that risk.

It is quite sad that we are more than a year away from the election and you are already saying it is down to two parties. Why not expand your thoughts beyond democrats and republicans. When I got tired of flipping the nickel over trying to decide which side was pretty than the other I went out and found a new nickel.

[magichat]

May 12, 2011 10:05:46 GMT -5 Lady Gaga Gaga Snerd said:

Why not expand your thoughts beyond democrats and republicans.

Expand your thoughts to what?

Something besides the two sided coin known as republicans and democrats. Take a look at the Constitutional or Libertarian party for an example.

[henryclay]

Why not expand your thoughts beyond democrats and republicans.

Expand your thoughts to what?

magichat like to talk in riddles like that.

[magichat]

May 12, 2011 10:14:54 GMT -5 Lady Gaga Gaga Snerd said:

Put forth some candidates. I am all for that.

Last go around Constitutional party had Baldwin running, excellent candidate and a great choice. Barr ran for the libertarian party, I wasn't as enamored with him.

[magichat]

May 12, 2011 10:19:32 GMT -5 Lady Gaga Gaga Snerd said:

I am a big fan of Tea Party principles. And, if the Repos would have continued down a moderate rino, Dem Lite mode, i will be happy to abandon them. After McCain and other Rinos, i will no longer hold my nose and cast my vote. Nope. I will either "waste" my vote on some write in, independent, or simply not vote for anyone if there isn't anyone i support. I would rather go down in flames on principle than vote in some snake in the grass, lesser of 2 evils. Until other people start doing likewise and really only stand and support people they believe, nothing will change and independents or other parties won't have a chance.

[Mkitty is pro kitty]

And he's a pseudo-intellectual American Thinker-esque Birther. Oh, and why don't you buy some of his books? It seemed bad when Obama did it. And remember those ethics charges and that government shutdown?

Yeah, he'll never make it past the base.

Ask his mistresses what base he got to.

Go ahead liberals. Write volumes of "what if's" if that's your thing.

What if henryclay made a cogent argument and didn't beat the overused and disproven birther drum for the nth time?

[henryclay]

What if henryclay made a cogent argument and didn't beat the overused and disproven birther drum for the nth time?

What if the liberals had a solid American for a candidate instead of a snake oil salesman whose elixirs cause more ills than they cure?

[deziloooooo]

May 12, 2011 9:03:05 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

To me, Newt Gingrich is the only serious candidate in the race.

Huckabee has been a governor, but he is primarily a populist- not a conservative.

Romney will not say he was wrong, and he is sorry for Romney care, and it's too late to do so now. If he does so now, it will be the result of political pressure, and not from the heart. I don't want someone that has to be dragged kicking and screaming to admit state run healthcare is morally wrong, and doesn't work?

Palin couldn't finish one term. I like her- and I really like that she gives liberals fits, but she should have stayed and done her job. If she thinks she was a distraction in Alaska, I'd like to know why she doesn't think she would be a distraction in the White House, and how she would deal with the vehement opposition there?

I like Herman Cain, but I don't know how he'd actually execute-- we've seen Newt in action. He's got the record-- and nobody knows who he is.

Pawlenty has been a strong proponent of the Obama cap and tax energy scheme; he also used short term gimmicks to balance the budget in MN-- which is really his only claim to fame.

Rick Santorum would be alright- but again, it's the record.

On the substance, Newt has it. He isn't promising anything he hasn't done. His key positions haven't shifted over time- they've been honed.

I think he can explain his messy personal life well enough- and I think his recent conversion to Catholicism, and marriage puts some meat on the bones of "I messed up, and I have repented".

Ever need lessons on how to close down the government , the pluses and minuses, he would be right there to offer his advice.

Seriously, he has his base, but once beyond that, it's been 17 years since he was a player, the twitter, face book crowd not only don't know him, they don't get him and his relevance today, believe when he looks for more then his own base, he would be lacking. IMHO.

[deziloooooo]

May 12, 2011 9:34:11 GMT -5 Lady Gaga Gaga Snerd said:

Well, i have yet to really meet anyone that doesn't have a messy personal life in some form or another. And, if they don't, maybe they just haven't exerted themselves enough!

There is bumps in the road, then there is messy, then there is Gingrich, what said, three wives , dumping wife on her death bed??? Now that is messy ....and poor Bill was just getting Presidential relief to get him through those tough days at the office, so much pressure that comes with the job.

They all have it but some find relief in different ways, Bills was ..., But Gingrich, death bed, and a "Sorry kid but under the circumstances, I have needs, ..Sayonora?"

[deziloooooo]

May 12, 2011 12:58:36 GMT -5 Lady Gaga Gaga Snerd said:

Sorry. I dont' know what happened on his wife's deathbed? Were you there and know the circumstances? That is the funny thing about gossips, they always "know" other people's business.

oooh, must be a supporter of, guess getting a bit under your skin here snerds?

But the way it played out, as good as another, and under any cercumstance , any way you look at it, his decision at that time , not done old boy, not done at all.

What was said? No clue, but what should have been said at that time and place , nothing but love and support.

[magichat]

Dez why don't you tell us your version, compared to this cited version from his daughter.

Gingrich has been married three times. In 1962, he married Jackie Battley, his former high school geometry teacher, when he was 19 years old and she was 26.[103][104] In the spring of 1980, Gingrich left Battley after having an affair with Marianne Ginther.[105][106] Detractors have often said that Gingrich visited Battley while she was in the hospital recovering from cancer surgery to discuss the details of their divorce, but Gingrich has disputed that account.[86] His daughter, Jackie Gingrich Cushman, has written that it was her mother who requested the divorce, that it happened prior to the hospital stay (which was for the removal of a benign tumor, not cancer), and that Gingrich’s visit was for the purpose of bringing his children to see their mother, not to discuss the divorce.[107]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newt_Gingrich#Personal_life

[deziloooooo]

May 12, 2011 13:06:52 GMT -5 Lady Gaga Gaga Snerd said:

Oh, OK. I said he wasn't my choice and i even made jokes about him. But, i love how you gossiping hens know everyone's business and what they should or shouldn't do. I am sure you have plenty of advice for everyone.

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Snerds old man, this gossiping hen has some serious questions as to why he would even put his name up for nomination , even though he has felt the job , POTUS, was one he could do well for three decades.

However his character, lack of possible.

Having affairs as he was leading the opposition to impeach Bill Clinton over sexual misconduct, how much did that cost the tax payers.
Stating that his first wife was to young and not pretty enough to be a POTUS first lady.
Did discuss a divorce , sent wire , while wife #2 or 3 , forgot now,
was in hospital being treated for ovarian cancer.
Did notify one of the ex's by phone call to her while she was at a gathering celebrating her mothers 84th birthday. I bet that set off a great celebration.
Then his affair wit his current one who was a aid of his, and then there was the great decision to shut down the government.

And the right were not to happy with Pelosi.

So yeah this gossiping hen isn't that impressed with the former congressman, but don't worry, he wouldn't get my vote anyway.
I will be open to listen to pubs, possible support , but as of now, staying with the POTUS, until some one demonstrable better comes along and so far, in my book , it's just been yadda, yadda, with some amusement seeing some all up and excited with a four month in office congressman from Florida, thinking he , in such a short time , is the anointed one or others such , who gave fire eating speech some where,{ Same folk seem to be saying ooh,ooh, he's the one , he's the one} very impressed they seem to be.

news.nationalpost.com/2011/05/11/video-gingrich-announces-presidential-run-despite-marriage-issues/