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Post by lakhota on May 11, 2011 21:03:21 GMT -5
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Post by EVT1 on May 11, 2011 22:06:49 GMT -5
Sure, the dems need to tone down the health care rhetoric and stick to facts like the pubs did during the reform battle- I am sure they will get right on that. ;D
What's the joke? Their goal is to kill Medicare (guaranteed coverage for seniors) and replace it with an allowance to go shopping for affordable coverage with in imaginationland- and good luck to ya.
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Post by lakhota on May 11, 2011 23:18:08 GMT -5
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on May 12, 2011 9:35:40 GMT -5
Dems thinking the government controlling everythign is the best thing...no real news here. Evt and Lak following the party line to the letter...still no news.
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on May 12, 2011 12:18:14 GMT -5
If there were a "golden" pot award, this would win hands down. Looks like there's at least 41 thin-skinned, hypocritical, partisian, caught red-handed, crybabies in Congress. If Democrats had done this, this thread would already be 5 pages long and full of high-fiving and liberal insults. And my only guess as to why the Republicans tried to pass that Ryan Bill was the Republican Congressmen were kidnapped and replaced by left-leaning dopplegangers. Or they're all libs in disguise. Oh, and now Obama is supposed to tell all the Democrats what to do. I'll put that in my "silly things Obama is supposed to do" list, but at least it's an improvement from having to fight the Somali pirates himself or "lead" the oil spill into getting fixed. Thanks for informing us that you've come to this thread and have nothing to say on the matter. From a strategic standpoint, that was probably not the best time to go whip out your empty catchphrases and insults. Or if you're a lib disguised as a sore-loser Conservative, then kudos to you. Just give the secret password from that supposed lib agenda handbook, and I'll give you a karma.
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Post by cme1201 on May 12, 2011 12:54:03 GMT -5
Could it be that the 41 junior congressmen are simply asking that the President hold up his word? At the House Republican Retreat January 2010 President Obama said: "We’re not going to be able to do anything about any of these entitlements if what we do is characterize whatever proposals are put out there as ‘Well, you know, that’s the other party being irresponsible ... the other party is trying to hurt our senior citizens.’ … At what point can we have a serious conversation about Medicare and its long-term liability, or a serious conversation about Social Security, or serious conversation about budget and debt where we aren't simply trying to position ourselves politically? That’s what I'm committed to doing.” www.tomllewis.com/?category_name=economics-the-economyAnd the Presidents actual address to the Republicans. www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-gop-house-issues-conference
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Post by lakhota on May 13, 2011 1:27:40 GMT -5
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Post by EVT1 on May 13, 2011 9:08:34 GMT -5
And people are going to believe it- they are the masters. You can't win elections being honest- you have to manipulate stupid.
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on May 13, 2011 12:07:02 GMT -5
They thumbed their noses at Democrats by putting the Ryan bill through without the Dems. Sorry, they waived any "bipartisianship" rights when they did that. This is their mess, and it's called CONsequences, and while there should be more bipartianship (in this case, Conservatives think it's bipartisan if both sides agree with them), they're not doormats. I mean where's Boehner's bipartisian promises? I hope nobody falls for this po' pitiful me routine. In this case, I don't want Dems to be the "nice guys" and finish last.
There's a difference between name calling and pointing things out. This is another case of Conservatives going "Wah! Don't tell the truth on us!"
But it's okay for the Ryan plan to give the rich even more tax cuts. Being bipartisian doesn't mean you have to do everything the other side says.
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Post by lakhota on May 17, 2011 18:22:16 GMT -5
House Republicans Face Backlash At Home Over Medicare Vote WASHINGTON -- House Republicans returning to their districts on Monday faced harsh criticism for voting to turn Medicare, the federal health care program for retirees, into a voucher system. GOP lawmakers faced this same constituent ire mere weeks ago when they first voted to support House Budget Committee Chair Paul Ryan’s (R-Wis.) budget plan, which would lower tax rates for corporations and the wealthy while replacing Medicare with private-insurance subsidies for those under 55. Speaking in his home state of Arizona Monday night, freshman Rep. Ben Quayle (R), son of former vice president Dan Quayle, took heat from constituents who demanded to know why he supported turning Medicare over to private insurers. Quayle isn’t the only lawmaker who, after voting in favor of Ryan's plan, faced anger at home this week. Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler (R-Wash.) faced a similarly boisterous crowd at her first Vancouver town hall, while Rep. Andy Harris (R-Md.) weathered disapproving audiences in Worcester County. A town hall meeting held by freshman Allen West (R-Fla.) on Monday night degenerated into a shouting match, with one person having to be removed from the meeting by police. A recent speech by Ryan, meanwhile, was met with dozens of protesters marching outside a hotel in downtown Chicago and carrying signs that read: "Hands off my Medicare" and "Paul Ryan plan: Let them eat cat food." The most recent round of backlash comes just days after former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, a Republican presidential candidate, called the Republican plan to end Medicare too "radical" and "too big a jump" for Americans. He also referred to it as "right-wing social engineering." www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/17/house-republicans-face-backlash-medicare_n_863144.html
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Post by lakhota on May 17, 2011 18:50:59 GMT -5
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on May 17, 2011 21:14:57 GMT -5
They thumbed their noses at Democrats by putting the Ryan bill through without the Dems. Sorry, they waived any "bipartisianship" rights when they did that. This is their mess, and it's called CONsequences, and while there should be more bipartianship (in this case, Conservatives think it's bipartisan if both sides agree with them), they're not doormats. I mean where's Boehner's bipartisian promises? I hope nobody falls for this po' pitiful me routine. In this case, I don't want Dems to be the "nice guys" and finish last. There's a difference between name calling and pointing things out. This is another case of Conservatives going "Wah! Don't tell the truth on us!" But it's okay for the Ryan plan to give the rich even more tax cuts. Being bipartisian doesn't mean you have to do everything the other side says. I figured you see it that way...Republicans do it, it's bad. Dems do it, it's "Just pointing things out."
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Post by formerexpat on May 17, 2011 21:15:55 GMT -5
Can you show me the ones that voted to kill Medicare...I want to be sure I vote for them next election.
Medicare is horrible. The resulting introduction [or rather forcing] of HMO's to the American people was equally horrible.
Mo government, mo problems as Biggie would say.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on May 17, 2011 21:18:46 GMT -5
Can you show me the ones that voted to kill Medicare...I want to be sure I vote for them next election. Medicare is horrible. The resulting introduction [or rather forcing] of HMO's to the American people was equally horrible. Mo government, mo problems as Biggie would say. The real issue is that if an insurance company offered the same coverage that medicare offers, after having people pay a small percentage all their working lives and also charging them a monthly fee...I wonder how many people would be ok with promoting it.
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