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Post by lakhota on May 11, 2011 3:45:00 GMT -5
Koch Brother Buys Professors At Public University to Spread Free Market Propaganda -- Is Public Education the Kochs' Next Front? The latest Koch brother affront is an "unheard of" breach of academic freedom--a donation to FSU only on the condition they can oversee the faculty appointees. Usually, when billionaires or millionaires give a large sum of money to a university, even a private one, they can specify where that gift will go -- which department or function, facilities, new hires, dorms, or what have you. And it's no secret that some of those big donations may lead to a little bit of wink-and-nudge affirmative action when it comes time for the little billionaires Jr. to apply to college. But what these monied donors cannot do, what remains taboo in the academic world, is leverage that kind of gift to influence who gets hired and fired by the faculty and what they teach--until now, thanks to Charles G. Koch. A recent op-ed in a Florida newspaper brought to light a shady deal by billionaire Koch, one of the Koch brothers, who donated a hefty million-dollar plus pledge to Florida State University, with some very big and ethically compromised strings attached. According to the St. Petersburg Times' Kris Hundley's thorough report: A foundation bankrolled by Libertarian businessman Charles G. Koch has pledged $1.5 million for positions in Florida State University's economics department. In return, his representatives get to screen and sign off on any hires for a new program promoting "political economy and free enterprise." Traditionally, university donors have little official input into choosing the person who fills a chair they've funded. The power of university faculty and officials to choose professors without outside interference is considered a hallmark of academic freedom. Under the agreement with the Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation, however, faculty only retain the illusion of control. The contract specifies that an advisory committee appointed by Koch decides which candidates should be considered. The foundation can also withdraw its funding if it's not happy with the faculty's choice or if the hires don't meet "objectives" set by Koch during annual evaluations. More: www.alternet.org/story/150892/koch_brother_buys_professors_at_public_university_to_spread_free_market_propaganda_--_is_public_education_the_kochs%27_next_front/?page=entire
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Post by lakhota on May 11, 2011 3:52:43 GMT -5
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Post by lakhota on May 11, 2011 3:52:44 GMT -5
I feel sorry for Florida.
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Post by cme1201 on May 11, 2011 6:25:27 GMT -5
So posts 1 and 2 have what to do with each other?
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Post by EVT1 on May 11, 2011 6:53:09 GMT -5
So posts 1 and 2 have what to do with each other? Preview of the whole country if the GOP gets their way? Florida is screwed- and they deserve everything the get for electing that moron- time to learn the lesson the hard way.
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Post by floridayankee on May 11, 2011 6:56:28 GMT -5
Wow...thinkprogress doesn't like the conservative FL government. How surprising.
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Post by cme1201 on May 11, 2011 6:59:28 GMT -5
So posts 1 and 2 have what to do with each other? Preview of the whole country if the GOP gets their way? Florida is screwed- and they deserve everything the get for electing that moron- time to learn the lesson the hard way. Well there was a lot of thought placed into this response. "I don't like you, so you must be a moron." really creates a place for intellectual discussion.
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Post by pappyjohn99 on May 11, 2011 7:00:05 GMT -5
Preview of the whole country if the GOP gets their way? We can hope so. Florida is to be commended. They are leading the way to prosperity and are fortunate to have such bold and insightful leaders
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Post by EVT1 on May 11, 2011 7:56:49 GMT -5
You can hope all you want. I could care less about FL- they get what they deserve- and there will be a major backlash. Also- Rick Scott is a moron- plenty of evidence to back that up if care to keep up with things- which makes the electorate just as bad.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on May 11, 2011 8:11:10 GMT -5
What does thinkprogressive have to say about Illinois?
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on May 11, 2011 8:11:58 GMT -5
Preview of the whole country if the GOP gets their way? We can hope so. Florida is to be commended. They are leading the way to prosperity and are fortunate to have such bold and insightful leaders Because all the Democrat run states like California and Illinois are doing so great?
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Post by lakhota on May 11, 2011 10:00:18 GMT -5
Between moron Rick Scott and the Tea Party Koch snorters, Florida doesn't stand much of a chance.
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Post by EVT1 on May 11, 2011 10:12:51 GMT -5
Rick Scott is a much bigger douche bag/criminal. I thought the Kochs are Libertarian- which I respect a heck of a lot more than regular conservatives, so why did the Tea Party morph into the regular GOP far right extremists? Have they disowned them yet? Why don't they just open their own college instead of trying to sway a state college curriculum- something is very wrong with that.
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Post by cme1201 on May 11, 2011 10:14:45 GMT -5
I like to see proof that he is a "moron", but there is none, so because you don't agree with his ideas belittle him, just don't give him any time to see if his plans will work.
God, are you that blind? Can't you take your head out of soros's ass long enough to use your brain and think for yourself, or here is an even better idea, don't follow Florida politics, unless you live here.
Or are you trying to turn the statement of as goes California so goes the union into as goes Florida so goes the union?
have you ever posted anything that wasn't an attack against someone who does not follow your set creed?
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Post by EVT1 on May 11, 2011 10:45:09 GMT -5
He's a moron because he implemented a policy that is on it's face unconstitutional that will do nothing but waste time and money. As for an all encompassing term, how about criminal? Any reason in particular you folks elected a white collar fraudster to run your government?
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Post by cme1201 on May 11, 2011 10:50:46 GMT -5
He's a moron because he implemented a policy that is on it's face unconstitutional that will do nothing but waste time and money. As for an all encompassing term, how about criminal? Any reason in particular you folks elected a white collar fraudster to run your government? Why, you would have to ask those who voted for him. Which state policies are you calling unconstitutional?
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Post by EVT1 on May 11, 2011 11:01:02 GMT -5
Drug testing all state employees is unconstitutional. Settled law.
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Post by cme1201 on May 11, 2011 11:07:38 GMT -5
Drug testing all state employees is unconstitutional. Settled law. show me the law please
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Post by deziloooooo on May 11, 2011 11:18:56 GMT -5
To think that the current administration and Legislature would object to this arrangement, it is a State University remember, is not going to happen, probably celebrating the arrangement with Champagne[hopefully they brought their own, State can't afford it}.
Connecticut just went through a hub a boo over a big Donor objecting to not having influence when the new Foot Ball Coach was hired, consensus from citizens, take a hike, and no, we are not giving the 2.5 mill back , and keep yapping , we'll take your name off the Football oriented building his name is on.
"The contract specifies that an advisory committee appointed by Koch decides which candidates should be considered. The foundation can also withdraw its funding if it's not happy with the faculty's choice or if the hires don't meet "objectives" set by Koch during annual evaluations."
It's not right and if it was Soros doing the same thing, the donation is fine, but then putting in a agreement as the caveat, as this one, no, you say thank you very much for the offer but the price is to great. Basically take a hike.
1.5 million? Thy sold out for that small a price, unbelievable. Now $20 million....weeeelllll, so we have a lousy Economics department in some ways...
Seriously, bad deal, sorry to hear it.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 11, 2011 11:30:42 GMT -5
".."But if Floridians are hoping Scott's corporate acumen can generate jobs for the 1.1 million of them out of work, they're also wary of his corporate past. Scott, after all, had to resign in disgrace in 1997 as CEO of the Columbia/HCA hospital corporation, the world's biggest private health care facility operator (today called just HCA), after it was slapped with $1.7 billion in federal fines for Medicare fraud, the largest such case in U.S. history. Scott himself was never charged with a crime — but the scandal is a big reason people get a tad nervous now whenever the Governor-elect, who refused to talk with any Florida newspaper editorial board during his campaign, ducks out of sight to huddle with executives."
And if one wants to believe a CEO of a company such as this, the size, see the damn fine, over a Billion, not a speeding fine, had no clue what was going down...give him credit for one thing, knowing how to hide all of the shenanigans that would lead to him, and if that clue less..yet he is now the Governor of the State.
He spent a fortune on TV ads demeaning his opponent and the citizens are so anti Dem's this year this is the one who won the primary fight and the election, unbelievable..
Some of those links you put up Lakhota...some I agree with. The tum down of the stimulus for the hi speed, possible correct.
The ones on Pediatrician not being able to question about Guns in the home...to bad but not a biggie, let them hand out material about importance of keeping such weapons safely locked out of site..so a personal message is not given. Those who wouldn't do a simple thing, keeping them secure, possible wouldn't have paid attention anyway.
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Post by EVT1 on May 11, 2011 11:33:41 GMT -5
Drug testing all state employees is unconstitutional. Settled law. show me the law please Read the 4th amendment.
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Post by cme1201 on May 11, 2011 11:37:04 GMT -5
Read the Drug free workplace act of 1988. Piss testing you is not a violation of illegal search and seizure. Breaking into your property and taking it by force would be.
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Post by shelby on May 11, 2011 11:45:28 GMT -5
Barf this whole post is barf and the right wingers who loove reciting the constitution have not addressed the fact that the freedom of speach in a classroom is compromised by an elite extremist. Why do people defend these things, bought and paid government no problem it is freedom right? But no...the control of a wealthy few will not be a hinderance to our rights as long as you are in lockstep with their twisted ideals. again barf.
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Post by cme1201 on May 11, 2011 11:49:35 GMT -5
Barf this whole post is barf and the right wingers who loove reciting the constitution have not addressed the fact that the freedom of speach in a classroom is compromised by an elite extremist. Why do people defend these things, bought and paid government no problem it is freedom right? But no...the control of a wealthy few will not be a hinderance to our rights as long as you are in lockstep with their twisted ideals. again barf. Much like liberal professors huh? news.yahoo.com/s/dailycaller/20110429/pl_dailycaller/universityofiowarepublicanstudentgetstasteoflefte28099se28098civilitye28099inprofaneprofessoremailUniversity of Iowa student and Iowa Federation of College Republicans chair Natalie Ginty was shocked when a tenured professor at her school sent her an email reading “FUCK YOU, REPUBLICANS.” It was a response to a campus-wide email the College Republicans sent out promoting their “Conservative Coming Out Week.”
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Post by EVT1 on May 11, 2011 11:52:48 GMT -5
Urine testing invokes the 4th amendment when done by government. Settled law. The drug free workplace act has nothing to do with it.
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Post by shelby on May 11, 2011 11:57:05 GMT -5
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Post by shelby on May 11, 2011 11:59:42 GMT -5
go ahead and report me doesn't change the facts you so want to ignore.
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Post by cme1201 on May 11, 2011 12:01:17 GMT -5
workplace.samhsa.gov/DrugTesting/pdf/HHS%20Mandatory%20Guidelines%20(Effective%20November%201,%202004).pdf Seems you are wrong, considering there are guidlines for drug testing federal employees. From the Federal Register. Tuesday, April 13, 2004 Part III Department of Health and Human Services Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration Mandatory Guidelines and Proposed Revisions to Mandatory Guidelines for Federal Workplace Drug Testing Programs; Notices Latest from 2010 alcoholism.about.com/cs/work/a/blsam040409.htmThe Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA) is proposing a new rule that would allow federal agencies to use sweat, saliva and hair in federal drug testing programs that now only test urine. The proposal would also allow selected specimen testing at the time and place it is collected. About 400,000 federal workers in testing designated positions – those who have security clearances, carry firearms, deal with public safety or national security, or are presidential appointees – are drug tested when they apply for jobs. Some are subject to random drug testing during their employment. Other federal employees are tested only if they are involved in a workplace accident or show signs of possible drug use. So one of us is wrong, and I don't think it is me.
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Post by EVT1 on May 11, 2011 12:57:15 GMT -5
Right- you are wrong. A policy to test all state employees is on its face unconstitutional. Scotus barely allowed the current exceptions that balance privacy with public safety. His policy fails. In fact, FL tried this once before and got sued, the policy got tossed, and the state paid up. Now they will pay another plaintiff because of this ridiculous douche that thinks he can overstep the law. He should have to pay out of pocket for this nonsense.
Surprisingly Scalia was the most vocal about the intrusion of government and would have tossed it all out. But the new right likes big government when it can use it to bully employees. Hypocrites plain and simple.
Also worth noting he wants to make welfare recipients pay for their own drug tests in addition to all of the new state tests- which luckily for him can be done in his string of clinics for a tidy profit. How convenient! That's what happens when you elect a criminal.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 11, 2011 13:09:18 GMT -5
Barf this whole post is barf and the right wingers who loove reciting the constitution have not addressed the fact that the freedom of speach in a classroom is compromised by an elite extremist. Why do people defend these things, bought and paid government no problem it is freedom right? But no...the control of a wealthy few will not be a hinderance to our rights as long as you are in lockstep with their twisted ideals. again barf. To me it's not the ones who offered the endowment with the strings attached, they made the offer, their right to do it, it's the board of trustees or whoever , who accepted the caveat to the grant who accepted the offer who are out to lunch and should be blamed . They could have said simply, "Thank you very much, very gene rouse and we would love to accept it, even allow your input on selection of faculty as a interested party, but final decision will be made by our selection committee , which you will not be a part of, but your suggestions and thoughts on the matter will be part of the record and considered as are any interested party's would be."
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