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Post by deziloooooo on May 10, 2011 20:08:32 GMT -5
Also, I think if there were a report of which mods have banned which posters over a given time period, that would be far more indicative of the problem we have here... From what I can glean from beneath the lines, there was one person banned here. This from moon, possible others, Trolls from other boards who came to just do their Troll things, that we have really no right to know, threats to the general board, action taken by higher pay level possible? A few time outs, which seem to last on a average here 24/48 hours top, and damn few of those. I miss read ed giving himself a 72 hour one and said to myself before recognizing ed to ed.."damn..that's a biggie, wonder what the hell he posted, poor, poor ed " To judge a mod because of some time outs, billis sometimes they have no choice....unless you think a non moderated zone would work.? Possible you do. I was on one once, it won't work Bilis.. nada, not at all, a disaster waiting, an bomb that will go off, guaranteed.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 10, 2011 20:25:06 GMT -5
...so I would get more karma by insulting more posters? ...while I'm no Hindu, that seems wrong... ...btw, I thought my conservatives views were offensive by default? ...so I should have more karma...
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2011 20:38:38 GMT -5
Marsha, for no reason at all.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 10, 2011 20:48:05 GMT -5
Would it be alright if we had a thread where we could quote posts which we perceive to be personal attacks? That way if anyone was interested in understanding the discomfort some people are experiencing from the responses of other members they could just go read the perceived attacks and we could all figure out what is going on without having to weed through threads.
When someone tells someone else that if they don't like it they should report it, otherwise stfu; well I for one believe that indicates the person knows he/she is atttacking someone. Otherwise why the taunt? Why the ultimatum? Why the order? It sounds like something a bully would say to a victim. Right?
Thanks, krickitt! ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2011 20:54:42 GMT -5
Interesting idea, the thread. Then mods could just look it over, no reporting or anything. Maybe with a rule no chit chat, just post your problem and leave. Would be interesting. Maybe people would think more before they post if they knew it would go on a common thread everybody may read. Be a lot easier for mods to see the big picture, too, if it is a stalking situation.
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Post by moon/Laura on May 10, 2011 21:40:07 GMT -5
i don't see the benefit to a 'tattling thread' - if everything is on one thread, all the problem posts are out of context. we can't see what came before or after it. better to report to us so we have a link to the problem post on the thread it occurred in. not to mention, the problems are already public .. the only thing that would be different is that you are now being public with the complaint..
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Post by deziloooooo on May 10, 2011 21:56:36 GMT -5
Would it be alright if we had a thread where we could quote posts which we perceive to be personal attacks? That way if anyone was interested in understanding the discomfort some people are experiencing from the responses of other members they could just go read the perceived attacks and we could all figure out what is going on without having to weed through threads. When someone tells someone else that if they don't like it they should report it, otherwise stfu; well I for one believe that indicates the person knows he/she is atttacking someone. Otherwise why the taunt? Why the ultimatum? Why the order? It sounds like something a bully would say to a victim. Right? Thanks, krickitt! ;D Ok need a little Political correctiveness discussion here..Marsha , going to use you as the fguini pig, your post above , nothing wrong with it but lets say for example to me it was all hog wash , nuts..off the wall ...and if I posted {now remeber example only, so no fair being p off at me] the following , singuler or in concert together.. / / / / and on and on...ok, or ame I hastling you, attacking personally...or perfectly appropriate in expressing any disdaine toward you, the post whatever.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 10, 2011 22:02:47 GMT -5
Would it be alright if we had a thread where we could quote posts which we perceive to be personal attacks? That way if anyone was interested in understanding the discomfort some people are experiencing from the responses of other members they could just go read the perceived attacks and we could all figure out what is going on without having to weed through threads. When someone tells someone else that if they don't like it they should report it, otherwise stfu; well I for one believe that indicates the person knows he/she is atttacking someone. Otherwise why the taunt? Why the ultimatum? Why the order? It sounds like something a bully would say to a victim. Right? Thanks, krickitt! ;D Ok need a little Political correctiveness discussion here..Marsha , going to use you as the fguini pig, your post above , nothing wrong with it but lets say for example to me it was all hog wash , nuts..off the wall ...and if I posted {now remeber example only, so no fair being p off at me] the following , singuler or in concert together.. / / / / and on and on...ok, or ame I hastling you, attacking personally...or perfectly appropriate in expressing any disdaine toward you, the post whatever. Could you tell me what you're talking about, Dezi? I hardly ever untangle balls of string.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 10, 2011 22:08:42 GMT -5
Now that was rather insulting marshabar.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 10, 2011 22:08:53 GMT -5
So then it is alright to report harassment and attack?
I'm just not clear about how all this works.
Seems like sometimes posts get deleted but then the person who was attacked and who may or may not have reported it gets chided and cussed out.
I hesitate like hell to report anything and only do so when I am so disgusted I don't give a damn what any of you think or do.
I've seen clear evidence of stalking, harassment, bullying, name calling, and baiting. From one side. Over and over. Same old same old. Especially on the weekends. To the extent I think some of it may have to do with alcohol.
Oh dear, is an insinuation against some unnamed somebodies an attack?
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Post by marshabar1 on May 10, 2011 22:10:58 GMT -5
Would it be alright if we had a thread where we could quote posts which we perceive to be personal attacks? That way if anyone was interested in understanding the discomfort some people are experiencing from the responses of other members they could just go read the perceived attacks and we could all figure out what is going on without having to weed through threads. When someone tells someone else that if they don't like it they should report it, otherwise stfu; well I for one believe that indicates the person knows he/she is atttacking someone. Otherwise why the taunt? Why the ultimatum? Why the order? It sounds like something a bully would say to a victim. Right? Thanks, krickitt! ;D Ok need a little Political correctiveness discussion here..Marsha , going to use you as the fguini pig, your post above , nothing wrong with it but lets say for example to me it was all hog wash , nuts..off the wall ...and if I posted {now remeber example only, so no fair being p off at me] the following , singuler or in concert together.. / / / / and on and on...ok, or ame I hastling you, attacking personally...or perfectly appropriate in expressing any disdaine toward you, the post whatever. Would someone like to translate this for me?
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Post by moon/Laura on May 10, 2011 22:14:30 GMT -5
to me, an attack is when names are called, or you are called something that can be libelous/slanderous.. insults, depending on the severity, could be as well. but that report to mod button is used for the mildest of thing at times..
i'm sure there are plenty of times that names are called, or bullying goes on that i don't see.. as i mentioned before, i can't see everything.. i can only respond to what i do.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 10, 2011 22:14:44 GMT -5
i don't see the benefit to a 'tattling thread' - if everything is on one thread, all the problem posts are out of context. we can't see what came before or after it. better to report to us so we have a link to the problem post on the thread it occurred in. not to mention, the problems are already public .. the only thing that would be different is that you are now being public with the complaint.. I think you're right, moonbeam, just trying to understand how these problems of constant harassment can be resolved around here. Seems so unfair to some.
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Post by moon/Laura on May 10, 2011 22:16:42 GMT -5
marsha, i believe dezi is asking that were he to post any (or all) of those emoticons in response to your quoted post, would you see it as "hastling you, attacking personally...or perfectly appropriate in expressing any disdaine toward you, the post whatever"
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Post by Opti on May 10, 2011 22:17:12 GMT -5
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Post by marshabar1 on May 10, 2011 22:17:43 GMT -5
marsha, i believe dezi is asking that were he to post any (or all) of those emoticons in response to your quoted post, would you see it as "hastling you, attacking personally...or perfectly appropriate in expressing any disdaine toward you, the post whatever" Oh! No. I would see it as short hand for, "I have nothing to say." Edit: And I would not respond. ;D
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Post by deziloooooo on May 10, 2011 22:18:50 GMT -5
Ok need a little Political correctiveness discussion here..Marsha , going to use you as the fguini pig, your post above , nothing wrong with it but lets say for example to me it was all hog wash , nuts..off the wall ...and if I posted {now remeber example only, so no fair being p off at me] the following , singuler or in concert together.. / / / / and on and on...ok, or ame I hastling you, attacking personally...or perfectly appropriate in expressing any disdaine toward you, the post whatever. Could you tell me what you're talking about, Dezi? I hardly ever untangle balls of string. never mind , trying to get a discussion of what ever but you know what...lets just continue as we are doing ..you did see, those were a example of , not directed at you..just a example if posters, you wearn't the only one the question was asked of. I will continue to use them, the smileys as a way to express my feelings , positive, negative , however they are put up, and if any one wants to weigh in with their use , positive, negative , feel free.
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Post by moon/Laura on May 10, 2011 22:19:25 GMT -5
some would see it as insulting though marsha, and that's why some of this stuff is so hard to work with..
sort of like when burns posts the zzzzzzzzzzzzzzs, i see it as insulting and unnecessary.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 10, 2011 22:19:39 GMT -5
Thank you, that is correct. Also, and one constantly learns through experience, for me to use Marsha as a example for anything , well that definitly is
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Post by marshabar1 on May 10, 2011 22:24:06 GMT -5
Now that was rather insulting marshabar. You see now, call me paranoid, but I perceive this as rather a threat out of the blue from the moderator when my response to Dezi was a humorous expression of my confusion about what he was trying to tell me. Or as I now understand, thanks to Moonbeam and Optimist, trying to ask me.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 10, 2011 22:27:05 GMT -5
Okay, now I'm confused. Is that a direct insult?
For me to use Marsha as an example for anything, well that definitely is crazy.
That seems to me like an uncalled for insult.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2011 22:28:25 GMT -5
That's the way it happens...... the scolding thing..
All of this is why I try to stick to the issues when posting with people I don't get along with, (very few of them) rather than get in a conversation that would go nowhere but down. Many threads I just avoid rather than risk the hassle. I'm going to be more like you, Marsha. Just leave the topic when it starts and don't go back. But sometimes it is hard to find somewhere to post without being followed. And you are right about weekends. I often wonder if some people are not really drunk or stoned or something. Which would, of course, lead to posting that has not been well thought out.
I'm glad you started this thread, Marsha. Maybe it is because moon is around, or maybe some people read this and rethought things, but I have not had a problem all day long. Not one-- which is not normal. Sure people have disagreed with me all day, but no insults, name calling, baiting, references to past boards, nothing.
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Post by moon/Laura on May 10, 2011 22:30:32 GMT -5
and see, i didn't see Marsha's 'ball of yarn' post as insulting at all, mainly because i got your meaning. heck... even dezi knows he doesn't always get his thoughts out clearly.. no insult meant to dezi whatsoever.
and now, off to bed.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 10, 2011 22:37:00 GMT -5
I guess it is. Gosh, shall I report this?
Edit: No. I perceive an element of humor in Dezilou's insult. He may have been trying to make a point about how people perceive thing's differently and people have differing degrees of sensitivity to these matters.
Not like real rancor and hatred and digging at old wounds and a pathetic need to "own" someone by baiting them into an outburst.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 10, 2011 22:38:35 GMT -5
Now that was rather insulting marshabar. You see now, call me paranoid, but I perceive this as rather a threat out of the blue from the moderator when my response to Dezi was a humorous expression of my confusion about what he was trying to tell me. Or as I now understand, thanks to Moonbeam and Optimist, trying to ask me. Marshabar-when you see me sign a post as Tennesseer/Moderator, I am a moderator. When you see me simply post, I am a poster. As for your ball of yarn comment: A number of posters ridiculing dezi for his typing skills and posts. Your yarn comment was just a continuation of ridiculing his message. Would it really have harmed you in any way to tell dezi you simply didn't understand his post? You 'humor' is not recognized as humor by all.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 10, 2011 22:47:41 GMT -5
You see now, call me paranoid, but I perceive this as rather a threat out of the blue from the moderator when my response to Dezi was a humorous expression of my confusion about what he was trying to tell me. Or as I now understand, thanks to Moonbeam and Optimist, trying to ask me. Marshabar-when you see me sign a post as Tennesseer/Moderator, I am a moderator. When you see me simply post, I am a poster. As for your ball of yarn comment: A number of posters ridiculing dezi for his typing skills and posts. Your yarn comment was just a continuation of ridiculing his message. Would it really have harmed you in any way to tell dezi you simply didn't understand his post? You 'humor' is not recognized as humor by all. You spoke to all the ridiculing posters I take it? I don't find George Lopez funny. Many people do.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 10, 2011 23:00:29 GMT -5
So then it is alright to report harassment and attack? I'm just not clear about how all this works. Seems like sometimes posts get deleted but then the person who was attacked and who may or may not have reported it gets chided and cussed out. I hesitate like hell to report anything and only do so when I am so disgusted I don't give a damn what any of you think or do. I've seen clear evidence of stalking, harassment, bullying, name calling, and baiting. From one side. Over and over. Same old same old. Especially on the weekends. Oh dear, is an insinuation against some unnamed somebodies an attack? Marshabar-were you insinuating anyone in particular with your alcohol comment?
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Post by burnsattornincan on May 10, 2011 23:06:23 GMT -5
I'm on my sixth rye....
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Post by mmhmm on May 10, 2011 23:07:36 GMT -5
While some may hold real rancor and hatred, if it's for strangers on a message board, those who do so have issues. As to "owning" someone on a message board, it can't be done unless the target allows someone to do so. The same goes for being baited into an outburst. You are responsible for your behavior. Nobody else is. If you have an outburst, it's on you. It can't be blamed on anyone BUT you.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 10, 2011 23:11:09 GMT -5
Okay, now I'm confused. Is that a direct insult? For me to use Marsha as an example for anything, well that definitely is crazy.That seems to me like an uncalled for insult. The insult would be to myself. I put forth a simple question, this thread was put up by moon Marshafor a serious discussion, most of us saw it that way. My take and others may see it differently, as basically the owner of this site, put up for no more reason as I good idea as the old one was disappearing as a home for those who were there to continue what ever it was we were doing there, lots of posters with shortly no where to go. Possible she was intrigued to see if she could do it, form her own web site, is that what it's called moon, I know your going to dream land but when awake , correct me if I am wrong, possible she was bored, but for what ever reason , form it she did, and basically brought all that was at the old MSN site here, even though , as I know zilch of what goes on at EE and the other zones, she too had little knowledge of the "political " and the going on here, which to be honest can be a bit ..what's the word, harsh in it's carrying on? I know a bit of moon through contact, yep kricett, those PM's , I like em, if you knew how many I am up to you would vomit, and I believe she has a responsible job, dealing with problems 24/7 on runs of over normal hours so she gets more days off, yet by being the owner of this site, she is being involved on this zone, none of the others, way to God Damned much with BS Example, I bet the deletes on this zone run many times more then another zone, which means there is more times more BS here then the others, means more times , more interaction by moderator's to actually take action then the other zones, and that is not counting , heads up, warning, sleight slapping of the wrist and whenever the appointed moderators do so as their job calls for, in to many cases more BS arises , then more 'report /mod ' on any little sleight ..and she, moon, also gets those and she has had it . Am I wrong here moon? So the thread was a serious one, my post to you , marsha, only picked you because you were right there, you and I have had very little contact, if any, {you scare me in a way, but that has nothing to do with anything} and in a serious tone I asked what I did, figuring a serious discussion as to what most of us feel about the personals and the smileys that I know I use but possible incorrectly. The point is, moon is tired of the BS..does not need it, doesn't want it, wants her role to be as a over riding supervisory one and the moderators, all volunteers by the way, and here , due to time restraints by one , done almost exclusively by one, to be able to do what they are supposedly to do with out BS back. Example, ed is on a time out. If denim or Tenn had given that time out,. all types of S would have hit the fan from some others. Why? No reason for it. moon stepped in, doesn't have the time or want to she has a mod , here, does the time out to ed..no problem. That my friends here is bull shit. So the thread put up by moon Marshais a serious one, asks a serious question, and deserves serious discussion , with what i suggest is the reason it, the thread is here, keeping that in mind. Now possible moon will come on later or tomorrow and say I have it all wrong, everything I posted here on how she feels and is concerned about is what is BS, If so, trust me, won't be the first time I have been told I am full of ... ;D
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