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Post by moon/Laura on May 10, 2011 16:03:08 GMT -5
I am not sure I understand the anger directed at this particular thread moon. We've had threads that have been much worse "trolling" threads and this seems to be the one you are attacking? luck of the draw....
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on May 10, 2011 16:05:59 GMT -5
I am not sure I understand the anger directed at this particular thread moon. We've had threads that have been much worse "trolling" threads and this seems to be the one you are attacking? luck of the draw.... Fair enough....the anger just seemed a little out of place.
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Post by jarhead1976 on May 10, 2011 16:19:44 GMT -5
...This subtle but gets the point across. Subtle, perhaps. Ironic, definitely. Picking on spelling and grammar in a message forum is a useless argument IMHO. I don't claim to know anything about dezi, but perhaps English is not his first language..... Read his last post #63, see foot in mouth
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Post by deziloooooo on May 10, 2011 16:23:24 GMT -5
Subtle, perhaps. Ironic, definitely. Picking on spelling and grammar in a message forum is a useless argument IMHO. I don't claim to know anything about dezi, but perhaps English is not his first language..... Read his last post #63, see foot in mouth "Read his last post and see foot in mouth" Wouldn't be the first time, or I am afraid the last, HOWEVER, which post, this thread, a different one? Need help here, please.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 10, 2011 16:24:46 GMT -5
This one?? "Sorry, not true at all, I use spell check 100% of the time, I post then do spell check, I also edit all my posts , example, have a problem with singular i, s/b I, but always type i then go back and correct, it drives me nuts , but have to correct it. As far as content, well that's another story. I do post a lot, and not afraid to weigh in on topics so if content is what is the bother, can only say welcome to the "World according to dezi", to uncomfortable? Scroll, scroll , scroll." If so, the above that you speak of, all correct, and if you go to a post before I edit, spell check , as I said, I usually post then correct, I can only say, control yourself, allow time to be corrected and edited, some times I spell check and edit before posting but just habit, post then do it. Personally I think to get all over someone who misspells, does not use spell check, that poster who is doing the complaining is just breaking it off, for the sake of breaking it off. Since I do use spell check, I can't tell you how many posters who's post I am quoting have never heard the expression of "spell Check " and how many of those are the ones bitching up a storm, so yes I feel so many are breaking it off, just for the sake of, picky, picky just to prove something, which they aren't. They would be better served by spending more time collecting their thoughts , making them their own rather then just compiling sound bytes from where ever and yadding, yadding them here as pearls of their wisdom, where few are pearls anyway, most being the yadda, yaddas of other blowhards and talking mouth pieces for what ever group is paying them that day. Naturally, all the above IMHO.
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Post by Value Buy on May 10, 2011 16:29:13 GMT -5
We should remove all things that could be construed as disagreeing with someone. how about i just ban all the troublemakers and people who do nothing more than complain? that would work for me! IMHO, if the complaint isn't warranted, I say ignore it. One of the first things I noticed being in charge of anything....you'll never please everyone, so don't bother trying. easier said than done.. because if i tell some of the extra sensitive people that they are reporting stuff that really isn't against the CoC, they then feel like they need to go to proboards itself and whine there about how people bully and nothing gets done.... and then i get a nasty gram from them about it. as i see it, the main reason for this thread is to (yet again) stir up people into fighting... "They then feel like they need to go to Proboards itself and whine". I would suggest that is when THEY are reprimanded and dispatched, regardless which side of the political spectrum they fall on. Your word should be final. If they try to go over your head, invite them to leave here. By invite, I mean ban. Your comments make it sound like you are throwing the children out with the bath water, which we all agree is wrong. I know you as owner, have worries about keeping posters and attracting new ones, to keep the board alive. By threatening posters who actually post here, with carpet banning, or even worse, killing the board, is not the way to keep posters. Your whiners are the ones creating the problems. The far left people and far right people can defend themselves, and I can assure you both sides enjoy the banter, dispute their public complaining about the loyal opposition. Sometimes I get the feeling you do not really understand us, or politics ;D Moonbeam, I remember you stated publicly here in the past you are not a politically enthused poster, by nature,so maybe it is time to have the mod elections going, and turn the day to day operation over to a committee of mods, (only at P&M) who have an understanding of political banter, and give them sway over the board, other than, maybe, a permanent ban. I know I would have no qualms eliminating members who want to ruin your board by protesting to Proboards, if I were in your shoes.
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Post by moon/Laura on May 10, 2011 17:00:53 GMT -5
Fair enough....the anger just seemed a little out of place. if you were in my shoes many days, i think you would understand a bit better WHY i get angry. "They then feel like they need to go to Proboards itself and whine".
I would suggest that is when THEY are reprimanded and dispatched, regardless which side of the political spectrum they fall on. Your word should be final. If they try to go over your head, invite them to leave here. By invite, I mean ban.
some are getting close to that.. and political views wouldn't have anything to do with it because i am clearly not smart enough to tell by someone's posts which way they lean.. i should probably feel bad about i don't.
Your comments make it sound like you are throwing the children out with the bath water, which we all agree is wrong. I know you as owner, have worries about keeping posters and attracting new ones, to keep the board alive. By threatening posters who actually post here, with carpet banning, or even worse, killing the board, is not the way to keep posters. Your whiners are the ones creating the problems.
yes, i know. and that's deleting P&M won't actually ever happen, no matter how much of an improvement i think i would be.
The far left people and far right people can defend themselves, and I can assure you both sides enjoy the banter, dispute their public complaining about the loyal opposition. Sometimes I get the feeling you do not really understand us, or politics ;D
you would be correct.. politics has never been an area of interest for me. although i will say i am now slightly more aware of some of the current events due to this board in particular.
Moonbeam, I remember you stated publicly here in the past you are not a politically enthused poster, by nature,so maybe it is time to have the mod elections going, and turn the day to day operation over to a committee of mods, (only at P&M) who have an understanding of political banter, and give them sway over the board, other than, maybe, a permanent ban.
I will be doing elections next month. Part of the problem now is being somewhat shorthanded and i haven't been able to fill things in so far. I try not to be too involved over here just *because* of the fact that i'm not knowledgeable on the subject. but when there start to be a lot of reports being made, i am more visible. that way it's not always the same person being the heavy. and *i* can't be accused of party bias either haha..
I know I would have no qualms eliminating members who want to ruin your board by protesting to Proboards, if I were in your shoes.
i have already banned one person for doing so- because the evidence pointed overwhelmingly to it being that person who reported me. However, proboards will not ever say "who" files reports, due to privacy. therefore, that's usually not going to be possible. my comments in blue
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Post by deziloooooo on May 10, 2011 17:02:56 GMT -5
how about i just ban all the troublemakers and people who do nothing more than complain? that would work for me! easier said than done.. because if i tell some of the extra sensitive people that they are reporting stuff that really isn't against the CoC, they then feel like they need to go to proboards itself and whine there about how people bully and nothing gets done.... and then i get a nasty gram from them about it. as i see it, the main reason for this thread is to (yet again) stir up people into fighting... "They then feel like they need to go to Proboards itself and whine". I would suggest that is when THEY are reprimanded and dispatched, regardless which side of the political spectrum they fall on. Your word should be final. If they try to go over your head, invite them to leave here. By invite, I mean ban. Your comments make it sound like you are throwing the children out with the bath water, which we all agree is wrong. I know you as owner, have worries about keeping posters and attracting new ones, to keep the board alive. By threatening posters who actually post here, with carpet banning, or even worse, killing the board, is not the way to keep posters. Your whiners are the ones creating the problems. The far left people and far right people can defend themselves, and I can assure you both sides enjoy the banter, dispute their public complaining about the loyal opposition. Sometimes I get the feeling you do not really understand us, or politics ;D Moonbeam, I remember you stated publicly here in the past you are not a politically enthused poster, by nature,so maybe it is time to have the mod elections going, and turn the day to day operation over to a committee of mods, (only at P&M) who have an understanding of political banter, and give them sway over the board, other than, maybe, a permanent ban. I know I would have no qualms eliminating members who want to ruin your board by protesting to Proboards, if I were in your shoes. Interesting thing here on your post value. I want to give you both a , and the other, the downer , same time. The up for good points made, regarding "I would suggest that is when THEY are reprimanded and dispatched,", I can't imagine , for what has gone on here on "political", I can't speak for the other zones, EE, financial and the others, but 'political", I have been active here from day one, actually had the first post here, a innocuous nothing one, but the first, and have not seen any problem , from the neophyte beginning as we all, including moon and then later Virgil and elected moderators took baby steps in figuring where we are going to here, that would warrant any one going to ProBoards HQ to bitch about anything. As a aside, I take it that proboards HQ, has a tendency to just take what ever is sent to them at face value and then it is up to the owners, the shakers and movers of whatever the particular board bitched about to defend themselves, which to me is the most idiotic thing , if true , I have ever heard.{OK , honestly, not the MOST idiotic thing I have ever head , a bit of over dramatizing, but still, pretty idiotic of them if true} Here is were the comes in. "so maybe it is time to have the mod elections going, and turn the day to day operation over to a committee of mods, (only at P&M) who have an understanding of political banter, and give them sway over the board, other than, maybe, a permanent ban" We have very , very good moderators here, exceptional ones, not with standing some who take some personally against them. Whether from history from some where else, which has been left at the door and not to be brought in here, and was probably, well not probably, but definitely warranted back in the day, by those against those who feel beat on, they , those beat on, deserved it from their actions elsewhere, or feel they are disrespected now when corrected, chastised, mildly corrected, so few time outs given here really, yet with all of that, it is only when moon comes in and does her moon thing , that all seem to settle down and the zone moves on as it should. Better moon doesn't have a great interest in Politics, has no axe to grind , just can quickly recognizing , as we all recognize too, when two or three are having a personal cat fight and hissing and pissing at each other. One doesn't even have to look at the so called political babel that some might seem to be at the bottom of the hissing and scratching, but has nothing to really do with it, just personals and she steps in and it is over. {privately simmering true, but since when do we here care about privately simmering, of no consequence to any of us, a laughing matter, in that, serves em right for disrupting our zone let them sizzle till they turn into dried up embers, to be blown away in the next great breeze that comes through}
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Post by ed1066 on May 10, 2011 17:35:08 GMT -5
Report to Mod is being abused...by the mods (at least in my experience). If a poster reports something, then the mod posts the contents of that report, plus taunts the poster who made the report, it's not really serving it's intended purpose. It should be removed...along with the mods who abuse it...
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Post by moon/Laura on May 10, 2011 17:42:49 GMT -5
ed, i don't believe any mod has actually posted the contents of a report. we have certainly referenced the fact that one (or more) *have* been made- but not come right out and said "so and so reported this specific thing/person". if i am mistaken, please pm me where it has happened.
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Post by ed1066 on May 10, 2011 17:50:53 GMT -5
ed, i don't believe any mod has actually posted the contents of a report. we have certainly referenced the fact that one (or more) *have* been made- but not come right out and said "so and so reported this specific thing/person". if i am mistaken, please pm me where it has happened. With all due respect, it's over and done with. I made you aware of it at the time and you chose not to act. I don't want to do it over again, I'm just making sure everyone on the board knows the integrity of some of the people who have power here...and I'm not PM'ing anything to anyone, because everything I say here I want to say on the public board...and I would appreciate responses in kind.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 10, 2011 17:54:36 GMT -5
I too would like to see the actual post and its contents ed.
You made the charge-please defend it.
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Post by ed1066 on May 10, 2011 17:56:36 GMT -5
This message has been deleted for mod bashing.
Congratulations, Ed. you've now bashed enough to earn a 3 day vacation courtesy of the mod bashing Addendum to the CoC ....
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2011 18:03:21 GMT -5
I agree, ED. Up front and open. I get some flack for that, but I do think there is a lot of behind the scenes manipulation of things here, and I don't choose to do that, either. I've never been one for plotting things behind others backs on message boards. I try to be direct in my dealings with others, and sometimes I get fried for it. I PM with Marsha about life stuff, and she is middleman between a nurse helping me recover from my broken bones and I, but aside from that I don't do much off the view of the board.
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Post by mmhmm on May 10, 2011 18:09:01 GMT -5
If you can't back up an accusation, it's probably better not to make the accusation. Otherwise, your gripe will be completely ignored by any sentient poster. Most won't react to accusations made with no proof offered, and rightly so.
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Post by billisonboard on May 10, 2011 18:10:15 GMT -5
I too would like to see the actual post and its contents ed. You made the charge-please defend it. Tennesseer/Moderator I would love to see the post also. We have elections of mods coming up and it would be wonderful to have this information for all to see when making their selection if the person should choose to run again.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2011 18:11:22 GMT -5
After I did my one and only ever reporting the other day there was a prolonged multiple poster discussion about me here on the board, even though not one of my posts was removed for violation, while 9 of another poster's were. The general consensus seemed to be that I am a trouble maker. That made me feel like shit, totally powerless to do anything, ever. If I can't report, and I can't fight back, I am in a position that makes posting here very difficult. I would RATHER fight back, but have found that I can't do that, either. I just have to suck it up. I don't like that.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 10, 2011 18:11:57 GMT -5
Report to Mod is being abused...by the mods (at least in my experience). If a poster reports something, then the mod posts the contents of that report, plus taunts the poster who made the report, it's not really serving it's intended purpose. It should be removed...along with the mods who abuse it...
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Post by ed1066 on May 10, 2011 18:12:25 GMT -5
If you can't back up an accusation, it's probably better not to make the accusation. Otherwise, your gripe will be completely ignored by any sentient poster. Most won't react to accusations made with no proof offered, and rightly so. Again, if you were a lawyer, and you knew the lawyer on the other side (who is incredibly biased and abusive) could change or delete your "evidence", and also had the power to ban you from the courtroom, would you want to go to trial? I didn't think so...
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2011 18:13:37 GMT -5
Not everybody has a saved history of posts. I don't have one. Some people seem to have libraries of old posts..
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Post by ed1066 on May 10, 2011 18:19:41 GMT -5
Not everybody has a saved history of posts. I don't have one. Some people seem to have libraries of old posts.. Krickitt, you should post some of the PMs you have received...if people really want to see what some here are like when they think no one's watching...
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Post by ed1066 on May 10, 2011 18:20:33 GMT -5
Also, I think if there were a report of which mods have banned which posters over a given time period, that would be far more indicative of the problem we have here...
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Post by moon/Laura on May 10, 2011 18:36:18 GMT -5
ed, i would not advise krickitt or anyone else to post PMs.. that is why they are called PRIVATE messages. i have banned someone on another board for doing that and i will not hesitate to do it again.
i also recall you accusing said mod of posting report contents in the past.. you did not 'prove' it then either. referring to the fact that a report was made- even in a case where the reporter's name was mentioned - is not the same as posting the actual report.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2011 18:48:22 GMT -5
I don't save PMs, either. I try to just forget stuff, but it does get under my skin and affect the way I post when things get personal and threatening.
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Post by ed1066 on May 10, 2011 18:49:40 GMT -5
I don't save PMs, either. I try to just forget stuff, but it does get under my skin and affect the way I post when things get personal and threatening. Sorry, I gave bad advice to you. This board isn't ready for that kind of honesty...
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Post by deziloooooo on May 10, 2011 19:42:06 GMT -5
I too would like to see the actual post and its contents ed. You made the charge-please defend it. Tennesseer/Moderator I would love to see the post also. We have elections of mods coming up and it would be wonderful to have this information for all to see when making their selection if the person should choose to run again. Deleted my post, I misunderstood what you were referring to, I misread a post previous, sorry, my mistake bilis.. While here on pm's , I don't agree Krickett, so you did a 'mod report " it didn't go the way you saw it , so what? All it is is a report of what a poster feels , usually in the small picture, the ones who get it, they look at it in the big picture, example and not saying this is referring to what ever you reported, but POSSIBLE those who get the report also look and see there was back and forth between the two parties leading up to the report, and the back and forth was not asking how the garden was coming along, were the roses good this year, so they may do nothing. big picture vs little picture. The one who made the report may have forgotten already the back and forth , or if remembered , thought they were about how the garden was growing. As far as PM's I got em all and at times, good to have, a record of, if needed, as to how exactly the garden was growing.
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Post by mmhmm on May 10, 2011 19:48:55 GMT -5
We don't have a problem here, Ed. You may have a problem, but I'm part of we and I have no problem.
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Post by mmhmm on May 10, 2011 19:52:27 GMT -5
If I had the evidence and was sure of my case, you're damned right I'd go to trial! Now, if I didn't have the evidence and wasn't sure of my case, I'd probably have the sense to keep my mouth shut (or, fingers still) in the first place.
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Post by mmhmm on May 10, 2011 19:56:39 GMT -5
Damn, man! You won't post yours, or even post the proof of your allegations ... yet, you have no compunctions about encouraging someone else to do so?
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